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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby ICfreely on Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:58 am

But I wonder if you took the time to actually read the article in its entirety and what, if anything, you took away from it.


I’ll take that as a big “NO” and “Nothing.” How sad.

Dear ICfreely, I mean really? Really? You blatantly displayed before that you in essence had no clue about Seyfrieds research, yet you were criticizing him.


Good Lord, patrix. You have no clue how many cancer diet protocols (ketogenic included) of academic researchers I’ve delved through over the last 20 years. I’ve noticed patterns, sir. I don’t need to read his 400 page book to know his research will lead to a dead end. Controlled lab rat experiments (limited in scope no less) have no value to human life. Really!

Really, what tangible results have all his experiments yielded in terms of improving the lives of actual people?

Forget me. What about the specific criticism of Seyfried’s work (that you so passionately sought) brought forth by Dr. Gonzalez?

Now, one value that seems deeply entrenched in many people is that vegetarian/vegan/plant based foods are "good" and that animal based foods are "bad".


I have no interest in partaking in the dueling diet dogma debate, dear patrix. That's what derailed the "Engineering Disease" thread.

So if a researcher comes along with evidence that glucose, the main energy we can get from plants, is promoting or rather feeding cancer, this will be disregarded.


I don't think he's being disregarded. You yourself admitted that a growing number of people in the alternative cancer treatment arena are following his protocol.

1) He’s hardly the first person to form this hypothesis (Atkins version 2.0).

2) Where’s the so called evidence you speak of? Lab rat experiments and a diet protocol that he himself admits “…was not designed to reverse tumor growth or treat specific types of cancer.”?

3) Where’s the beef?

This is no different from the average Joe that sees the video of the plane melting into WTC, but is incapable of understanding that this is irrefutable evidence that the images aired as news on 9/11 could not have been real.


I’m glad you brought that up. I think we can both agree that Simon’s unparalleled 9/11 research was truly ground-breaking. I may be wrong but I highly doubt that he read the 9/11 commission report cover to cover in order to get to the truth. If you held him to the same standards that you’re holding me to, then you’d disregard his research for him not having any interest in reading the report.

That is my take on that. And it just so happens that we interviewed Professor Seyfried the other day on our Swedish podcast. The hosts English could be better, but the guest is flawless.


All praise be to the infallible St. Seyfried.

You see, my dear patrix, you’ve already come to the conclusion that Seyfried has solved the “cancer riddle” and nothing will ever change your mind or compel you to reconsider your stance thereby broadening you horizons. It’s sad to see you will most likely remain stuck in the “glucose-cancer” paradigm in perpetuity, dear patrix.

Dr. Seyfried's research was definitely worthy of a mention in the aforementioned thread. But to dedicate 20+ pages arguing about and zealously defending his work was unwise, IMHO.


Diagnostic method: Seyfriedoscopy

Diagnosis: Terminal Seyfriedosis

Recommended course of treatment: Thomasectomy

Diet restrictions: Avoid conflating controlled lab rat experiment results with the improvement of human health.

Diet protocol:
Historical perspective!


We've obviously reached an impasse, my good sir. All the best to you as well, dear patrix.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby Flabbergasted on Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:09 pm

Simon, quoting your post from the MM thread, now locked:
There's this fairly new blog named "Cuttingthroughthefog(dot)com" run by a guy named Josh who, apparently, is none other than our former Cluesforum member "daddie_o".

"Daddie_o's" real name appears to be Joshua Guetzkow.

Joshua Guetzkow profile: https://en.law.huji.ac.il/people/joshua-guetzkow

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1758&start=240#p2405929

Somehow I missed this post back in 2018. I am curious about how you made the connection "daddie_o > Josh > Joshua Guetzkow". Assuming the connection is correct, would it be reasonable to suspect the entire Miles Mathis circus is a DBA operation run by an Israeli agency?
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby SacredCowSlayer on Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:30 pm

Flabbergasted » January 13th, 2019, 9:09 am wrote:Simon, quoting your post from the MM thread, now locked:
There's this fairly new blog named "Cuttingthroughthefog(dot)com" run by a guy named Josh who, apparently, is none other than our former Cluesforum member "daddie_o".

"Daddie_o's" real name appears to be Joshua Guetzkow.

Joshua Guetzkow profile: https://en.law.huji.ac.il/people/joshua-guetzkow

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1758&start=240#p2405929

Somehow I missed this post back in 2018. I am curious about how you made the connection "daddie_o > Josh > Joshua Guetzkow". Assuming the connection is correct, would it be reasonable to suspect the entire Miles Mathis circus is a DBA operation run by an Israeli agency?


I do recall the post, but was too busy (at the time) to check out the connection. That said, this “Daddie_o” character was right in the thick of it with the likes of “VexMan” and the tri-persona known as “Selene,” “Vera Obscurata,” and “Gaia.”

I don’t miss them.

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I’d frankly be shocked if they weren’t an op team (amongst others) associated with US/Israeli “intelligence.” Face palm. . .

What a bunch of ass cracks. Nothing but time and money to try and Gaslight humanity at large.

Oh yeah, I do believe they are/were quite active over at Fakeologist. They do a Jekyll and Hyde routine with themselves.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby simonshack on Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:39 pm

Dear Flabbergasted and SCS,

I appreciate that you both appear to share my thoughts about this. Of course, we may all be wrong about it - but I've a feeling that we might not be. -_-
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby ICfreely on Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:50 am

Nothing but time and money to try and Gaslight humanity at large.



Speaking of gaslighting, I find it interesting that on December 26, 2018 Cutting Through the Fog, seemingly out of nowhere, felt a sudden urge to post the following:


Health Matters

Chronic disease is a real problem, as anybody who has one knows all too well. Estimates suggest that 60% of all adults in the U.S. have at least one chronic condition, which account for more than 2/3 of all causes of deaths. A third of all people worldwide suffer from multiple chronic illnesses…

One of the things I have learned about the most from comments on this blog is about health-related issues — whether it be about nutrition, which vitamins and supplements to take (and which not), vaccines, pollution and even animal care. So I’m opening up this post as a place for people to discuss health matters, because – if you’ve ever been ill for an extended period you know — health matters…

I’m going to kick things off first by linking to two papers written by Miles Mathis
. The first concerns his experience taking so many health supplements that he was getting iodine poisoning. The second is a paper he wrote in 2012 called “The Health Emergency” on taking control of your food and water to avoid toxins and GMOs.

https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/12/26/health-matters/



And of course the greatest polymath of our times, not one to disappoint his legion of faithful followers, published “Making the Connection” the very same day.


Making the Connection

by Miles Mathis

First published December 26, 2018

I've rarely been accused of being dense, but like everything else human I am sometimes slow on the uptake. Which is just to say it took me an embarrassingly long time to make the connection between two of my recent papers: the one on Solar Minimum and the one on my personal health. In the latter, I listed four possible reasons for my malaise, but Solar Minimum was not one of them. I have now added it to the list, and I am about to tell you why.

This direct connection to Solar cycles make much more sense than the biorhythms they used to post in the newspaper, or than tying your moods to Mercury being in retrograde or something. While your body should care very little—as a matter of charge—whether Mercury is in retrograde, we can see why your body would care that the Sun is anemic. Everything here depends on the Sun, and if the Sun is anemic, we will be too.

In fact, different theorists over the years and centuries have linked Solar activity to wars and pandemics. Velikovsky did this himself, as you will remember, claiming that diseases arrived from outer space. His theory was tied less to Solar cycles and more to intruders (like comets and asteroids), but others have linked plagues to Solar cycles. At that last link, you will see that scientists at major universities are attributing this to the weakening of the interplanetary magnetic field during Solar Minimum, which allegedly allows spores to fall from space.

Anyway, I was trying to get across to you that the main reason I wrote this paper is to once again propel the revolution. Knowledge is power, and knowing about Solar Minimum and things like that is empowering. :rolleyes: It allows you to make informed decisions—the last thing the governors want. It helps you to be in control of your own life. And it allows me to monkeywrench the predatory economic system one more way. So even if I am dying—or being poisoned by the governors, as some are telling me—it doesn't matter. No matter what happens to me, the lesson for you is the same: in every action you take, find a way to resist the Matrix. Primarily, make yourself the worst consumer you can possibly be. Get off the grid in every way you can. And don't believe a word they tell you.

http://mileswmathis.com/ss1.pdf



No matter what happens to me?

Resist the Matrix?

Get off the grid?

Don’t believe a word they tell you?




Good Lord, who writes this $chitt?

Could the publication of the “Medical Astrology” paper have anything to do with the discussions taking place in the “Engineering Disease” thread at the time? I’ll leave it to you, the reader, to make the connection.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby sharpstuff on Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:15 pm

TOPICS

To: ADMIN

It occurred to me that it might make an interesting topic to create a list (not necessarily a time-line) of past staged events etc. which have been either covered by Clues forum or at least referred to in posts that deny their credibility.

Historically, it could go back in time as far as one wants or is able but should always have some sort of evidence to support the claim.

A short description might be useful of the 'event' and given the researching powers of members might be useful for any visitors to the site.

It is not a place for discussion of the event!

Sometimes, patterns emerge that can lead to other observations and considerations for such future events and one might deny the reverence with which past 'events' have been held. It is a long road...

It might even be possible to have a thread called something like: How to spot a hoax (or whatever).

Given that I have never read newspapers, or have a television or radio, or am on those goodness-awful anti-social sites, I would not be qualified for this task myself.

Be well.

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby SacredCowSlayer on Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:55 pm

sharpstuff » January 15th, 2019, 6:15 am wrote:TOPICS

To: ADMIN

It occurred to me that it might make an interesting topic to create a list (not necessarily a time-line) of past staged events etc. which have been either covered by Clues forum or at least referred to in posts that deny their credibility.

Historically, it could go back in time as far as one wants or is able but should always have some sort of evidence to support the claim.

A short description might be useful of the 'event' and given the researching powers of members might be useful for any visitors to the site.

It is not a place for discussion of the event!

Sometimes, patterns emerge that can lead to other observations and considerations for such future events and one might deny the reverence with which past 'events' have been held. It is a long road...

It might even be possible to have a thread called something like: How to spot a hoax (or whatever).

Given that I have never read newspapers, or have a television or radio, or am on those goodness-awful anti-social sites, I would not be qualified for this task myself.

Be well.

Sharpstuff


Thank you dear Sharpstuff. I think what you are suggesting here is (at least in part) what I was hoping to accomplish with this topic that I created several years ago.

There appears to be (from time to time) reaction by mainstream and “alternative” media (and its military apparatus) to research that is more cutting edge here at CF.

In my opinion, the “reaction” is still primarily in the “ignore” phase for the most part. That said, it’s like the tactics deployed are topic based, instead of forum based- if that makes sense.

I like where you are going with this so far. Maybe others could expound on it further. Perhaps at the “Anatomy of a Hoax” thread that I linked above.

Warm Regards :) ,
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby simonshack on Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:54 pm

ICfreely wrote:
Speaking of gaslighting, I find it interesting that on December 26, 2018 Cutting Through the Fog, seemingly out of nowhere, felt a sudden urge to post the following:


Dear ICfreely,

You may or may not know that the man behind the "Cutting Through the Fog" blog is a former Cluesforum contributor by the username of "Daddie_O".

Here's his introduction post to Cluesforum: viewtopic.php?p=2399998#p2399998

As far as I have gathered, he's a huge fan of Miles Mathis and his writings.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby SacredCowSlayer on Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:35 am

simonshack » January 15th, 2019, 4:54 pm wrote:
ICfreely wrote:
Speaking of gaslighting, I find it interesting that on December 26, 2018 Cutting Through the Fog, seemingly out of nowhere, felt a sudden urge to post the following:


Dear ICfreely,

You may or may not know that the man behind the "Cutting Through the Fog" blog is a former Cluesforum contributor by the username of "Daddie_O".

Here's his introduction post to Cluesforum: viewtopic.php?p=2399998#p2399998

As far as I have gathered, he's a huge fan of Miles Mathis and his writings.


I will also remind everyone that Dear Ol’ Daddie_O” was trolling here along with our former member (also banned) “VexMan.” They were chasing this forum around in circles at one point.

So, at the “Cuttingthroughthefog” blog, we have this:

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That’s right. The “VexMan” is a popular character in that particularly foggy area of the interwebs.

Cutting through the fog? Oh please. . . :rolleyes:

More like leading one through a maze of utter madness.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby ICfreely on Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:27 am

Dear ICfreely,

You may or may not know that the man behind the "Cutting Through the Fog" blog is a former Cluesforum contributor by the username of "Daddie_O".


Yes, I vaguely remember him, Simon. I have to admit, based on his intro, I was hopeful that he'd make some valuable contributions here. I thought CF would benefit from getting an Israeli point of view (same goes for Gopi's Desi perspective). He's obviously an intelligent and articulate person. Him being a big M&M fan wasn't an obvious red flag to me. After all, many contributors here were intrigued with the Mathman at the time. Some still may be.


That’s right. The “VexMan” is a popular character in that particularly foggy area of the interwebs.

Cutting through the fog? Oh please. . . :rolleyes:

More like leading one through a maze of utter madness.



What I don't get, SCS, is what purpose they serve. There was another contributor here who went on to start his own blog (straight from the devil's mouth) only to abruptly stop, repudiate everything he'd previously blogged about and announce that he would join Q and reddit. Proper Gander (another former contributor) shut down his site, repudiated everything he'd blogged about and promoted the value of psychiatry I believe. Then there are the guys who claim every male public figure is actually female and vice versa. They also claim every celebrity death has been faked. That such & such celebrity faked their death and took on a new identity as so and so. They've posted countless photos with "deep analysis."

Last but not least is the questioning our reality character who specializes in calling bullshit on every person that has contributed to CF, constantly encouraging everyone to "think for themselves." The funny thing is they never bother to actually provide some original research of their own to demonstrate how they themselves go about thinking for themselves. They're content labeling everyone under the sun a mason/jesuit shill... If they're getting paid for their efforts, then that's a pretty pathetic way to "earn" a living. If they genuinely believe what they blog about, then I pity them. What a sad way to go through life.

Pretty much all these guys (and others) "supported" CF via fakeologist at some point. With "friends" like them who needs enemies? Again, what purpose do they serve? What do they hope to accomplish? As fellow human beings aren't they vested in trying to leave this world a bit better than they found it?

None of us here have it all figured out. We've all discussed, debated and butted heads with one another. I've certainly done so with you and Hoi, dear Simon. Although I don't personally know you and may not see eye to eye with you on every given topic I do believe your intentions are good. If I didn't think so, then I'd have never joined CF. I'm deeply indebted to CF contributors past & present for all their efforts.

God bless,
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby TErikson on Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:58 am

I would like to answer about people like Josh G or Vexman and others. I don't think I'm the most legitimate because of a lack of information.

I find Vexman suspicious on some points, particularly about the "Jewish Holocaust".

I found "straightfromthedevilsmouth" even stranger before I even read his last support post in Trump and Q Anon. Published under pressure? Published on its own initiative? Or by mental illness?

I found no criticism of Josh G. And his address is of course joshg99 (email exchange between him and me) but Simon and SCS must already know that of course.

No blame on Mark of "PieceOfMindful" either. His doubts about Miles Mathis seem quite legitimate to me given all the work he has published in recent years.

Personally I often look at the statistics of many sites/blogs and especially for small ones like "cutting through the fog".

Frankly, the views are very, very, very derisory even on the scale of the network of conspiracy sites (false dissidents for many as you know).

And most of these people have actually brought something significant to the awakening in the hoax aspect of things.

They are not relayed anywhere. For example, type Miles Mathis on google and see the results.

Except for a guy like WellAware1 where fraud is obvious. For me they are all in an honest and free approach of their movement.

"Winter the watch (under author Russ)" strangely believes in the assassinations of the four American presidents and also in the Columbine massacre (with the conspiracy theory of the killers under MK Ultra, what does it annoy me that one). But given what he published next door, I don't see any kind of agent behind it.

So to conclude my message (sorry I'm French and not bilingual): I think we shouldn't waste so much time detecting if a blogger is a "shill" unless there's very solid evidence. And once again the views are so weak and relayed nowhere. I still see so many conspiracy theorists not even stopping to think about whether a guy like Donald Trump is "real" or not.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby patrix on Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:35 pm

Dear CF readers, contributors, and admins,

As I'm starting to follow the trails of Simons astronomical research, I find many interesting things. I am however reluctant to clutter up Simon's Tychos threads with them. Would it be a good idea if we set up a separate thread where astronomy in general could be discussed?

It's fascinating to look back at historical records and try to figure out what's been going on. However some are in Latin and not translated, which is a shame and of course makes it harder. Ricciolis Almagestum novum (Bologna, 1651) is a particularly interesting book. Here's brief presentation of it:

http://astronomy.edwardworthlibrary.ie/ ... ar-system/

It seems like this book and Ricciolis modified Tychonian system were the most accepted ones during the 18th century.

I can imagine something like this has transpired historically regarding the big questions in astronomy along with man's increased knowledge and improved tools for observations and experiments:

Ancient times - Geometry is discovered, and by looking at the shadows cast by the sun and measuring the difference depending on location. we figure out the Earth is spherical and calculate its diameter very accurately. A Solar System model were our spherical Earth is stationary (not rotating or revolving) is conceived and named the Ptolemaic model.

17th century - The telescope is invented, and by observing other planets the spherical shape of earth is confirmed, but more importantly the idea that Earth is stationary, in the sense that all other celestial bodies (stars and planets) revolve around it, becomes implausible since it is observed that other planets are rotating and that some of them (Venus and Mercury) are revolving around the Sun. Because of this the 2000 years standing Ptolemaic model is discarded.

Late 18th and the 19th century - For reasons unknown, the Copernican model eventually becomes the victorious one out of the competing models that incorporates a rotating Earth. Keplers and Newtons ideas of celestial bodies having elliptical orbits is implausible and unprovable, but non the less become and are still accepted in today's astronomy. The problems that cannot be solved within the Copernican model, for example the Precession and Mars irregular close passages, are ignored or explained away.

20th century - Man's knowledge expands further and new tools for observations and experiments are developed. This provides new evidence that the Copernican model is incorrect. For example Mercury's orbit is not reconcilable with it and the Michelson-Morley experiment proves that Earth is not moving at about one hundred thousand kilometres per hour around the Sun as required by the Copernican model. However this does not lead to a revision of astronomers view of the solar system. Instead much of experimentally verified physics are explained away by "Relativity", "Quantum mechanics" and pseudo mathematics. These ideas become generally accepted without observational or experimental proof. Just as Keplers and Newtons implausible elliptical orbits. On top of that, with the help of new means of mass communication or rather mass deception, the world is thrown into a quasi-religion with alleged Space travel and Atomic Bombs.

Present day - An independent researcher from Rome - Simon Shack, spends five years unfunded to go through all available historical data and finds that the Copernican model indeed is impossible and on top of that finds the missing piece of the mostly correct Tychonic and semi-Tychonic models - The PVP-orbit. He humbly names his new model "The TYCHOS" and publishes a book.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/simon-shack/th ... 42858.html

Since I with the help of this forum, new friends and many hours of reading, thinking and discussing the matter, have developed the ability of reasoning on these subjects, I'm confident that the world will come to their senses on this quite important issue and understand that TYCHOS currently is the only model of our Solar System that is in accordance with observations and experiments. What worries me however, is that this will take a long time. It's been said that science makes progress one tombstone at a time. Let's hope and work for a change of this with the new and old means of communications available to us.

All the best and may The TYCHOS prevail /Patrik
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Hyperloop

Unread postby pov603 on Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:02 pm

Somewhere, soon enough, this is going to have to have a thread of its own.
I don’t doubt that technology exists to transport us at fantastical speeds in a tube (London Underground anyone?) but not the way that they bang on about with hyperloop.
One simple thing that stands out for me is the “frictionless” environment they keep stating that they require for the vehicle to work properly.
This is achieved, so they tell us, by making the tube into a vacuum.
All the time this is said, yet the pods/vehicles are always depicted like this:
https://gulfnews.com/technology/hyperloop-transportation-technologies-to-set-up-first-track-in-china-1.2253884
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So why the need for a “nose cone” to cut through the vacuum?
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