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Fred,

No, I dont think anyone got whacked but I dont know 100% in all cases.

I know some played their part very well and I know Angell is not Ratz.

Don't you think its funny that Ted and Barbara was married in 1996 and you dont have much on them from that time and forward?

Haha, do you think this is serious, he looks really sad and that must mean he really miss her. Its a commercial for fucks sake and has nothing to do with them being a couple.

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I mean , get fucking real, do you think any Government guy would pose on a picture like that if he really cared for the person? There are other ways to do it if they were a loving couple.

Fred, you have to keep the story straight if you want to talk about Ratz and Angell.

They did not share the same resume for a couple decades, they worked with Cheers for 11 years.

Angell started to do Taxi 1978, Cheers in 1982, Frasier and Wings after that in 1993 and Ratz started to play with David Geffen and the big boys at the same time, 1993.

Why not post the evidence in favor of David Angell's being for-real right here for all to see and judge for themselves?

Well Fred, if I do that, that would mean I know where he is today and who he is today and that I could point him out but I cant do that cos I dont know where he is but I have a strong feeling in what direction I shall be looking.

I have tried to point you guys in the right direction and I have showed you why it was important to have a real guy die on a "plane" but you insist to get blown away by a bullshit thing at the corner of an eye, haha thats all you got and it makes me question what the hell you are looking at and dont you see the big picture?

I cant teach you guys how to figure out if the audio is a match or not but I can tell you, I can and I have the equipment to do it, and Angells voice is not the same as Ratz, not even close.

I will post one more time why its impossible for Angell to not be a real guy and dont get me wrong cos I am not saying Angell is his real name but I am saying someone played the part of Angell being a real guy in Holy-Wood just as Barbara played the part being in a loving relationship with Ted.



There is a reason the guy with the name Angell was real and the reason is:

It was easy and could not have been done in any other way cos they needed a real guy with a high profile.

He was the commercial they needed that had cred and he was sold in the beginning by all famous people that had meet him, and the selling was that real people actually died on a "plane" and they got the commercial without paying one cent for it cos Holy-wood Actors are real people and just as stupid as the rest of the world and they believed 9/11 was a real event.

I will write you a little script

Famous Actor being part of the Angell shows for 11 years is getting interviewed on Letterman or Leno after 9/11.
Conversation talk show after 9/11:

Letterman:
Its a tragedy what has happened to our country and you have worked with a writer/producer/creator Mr. David Angell on your successful show that has been on air for 11 years. We have information he was on Flight 11 that slammed into the north tower.

Actor:
Yea, I heard that and I cant imagine what it was like for those poor people on that Flight.

Letterman:
We have information he was on that Flight with his wife and it must have been horrific, so how do you feel? can you describe your relationship with the guy and when was the last time you meet him before this catastrophic event?

Actor:
Well Dave, you might think this is strange but there is not much I can say cos I never met the guy.


Whooosch,Baam, Cabooooom, ?#"&*^?????????????


Could never happen, bad commercial and not selling what was needed.


What was needed the days right after 9/11 was to sell emotion, identification, hero, all American guy, worked his way up, the American dream crushed by terrorists, I could go on but you know what I mean and all famous people sold it without knowing it was a lie.

It was important for the Psyop guys to have famous people say they knew a real person that was killed cos then the window in TV viewers mind was open to that all people killed was real.

Do you see now why they could not have a Fake Angell.

There would be to much risk cos you need to ask every low life Actor and showbiz guy in Holy-wood when someone put a mic in their face to be in on it and that cant happen, to much risk..

What I think was going on with Angell is that the Psyop guys knew that every showbiz guy in Holy-Wood was going to sell the lie for them without even knowing it, God I am impressed of the Psyop guys at Pentagon/Stratcom.

I can honestly say I have a Love/Hate relationship with the Psyop guys cos I hate what they are doing but I am impressed of how good they are on what they are doing.


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EDIT: Simon, of course he and Barbara is in the same Vicsim pool as all the rest and gets the same treatment as all the others.
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Dduck,

I have an idea.

Let's contact all the actors of Frasier and Cheers and ask them what they think of the David Angell tributes/obituaries to be found on the internet.
Surely, they can't ALL be so stupid to say that the tributes sound normal and legit?
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Simon,

Why would you do that? We know the Memorials are Fake and to be honest, I dont care how much Fake they are, its OK for me to know they are Fake.

Call NBC in Burbank and talk to camera men and stage managers and the ladies that answer the phones that worked there when Cheers, Frasier and Wings was in the making if you want to know about Angell.


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D.Duck @ Sep 27 2010, 12:10 AM wrote:
Call NBC in Burbank and talk to camera men and stage managers and the ladies that answer the phones that worked there when Cheers, Frasier and Wings was in the making if you want to know about Angell.
Cool. Let's find their phone numbers and I'll call them all. I have a magic freephone ! :lol:
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D.Duck 4 Sep 27 2010, 12:42 AM wrote:
There is a reason the guy with the name Angell was real and the reason is:

It was important for the Psyop guys to have famous people say they knew a real person that was killed cos then the window in TV viewers mind was open to that all people killed was real.

Do you see now why they could not have a Fake Angell.
It's easy to do that by having famous people on the payroll. All they need are a couple of actors to say that they "knew David Angell" and it will have the same effect. The guy was barely famous anyway. It's not like he's Tom Cruise.

Todd Beamer is probably more of a household word and all he had to prove his existence was an un-identified GTE operator overhearing a call phone call and an actress on stage with the President saying "Let's roll!" That didn't stop them from making a bunch of follow-on movies about Todd Beamer.

They don't run any more risk of saying a writer died than they do of saying some Wall Street guy died. Did anybody know any of those dead people at E-Speed? Of course not. It's easy to do that by having famous people on the payroll.

As for faking voice, Hollywood has been dubbing actors for only the last 100 years or so.

I don't see any reason to think that David Angell is a real guy or particularly different from any of the other vicsims. I never met him. I didn't know him. I did see Cheers a couple of times. It will be interesting to see who vouches for him.
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Simon,

I love the magic phone and here is the number to NYC but you need to get the number to Los Angeles and since you have the magic phone you can call NYC and ask for the number to Los Angeles.

If they ask why you need the number just tell them you have a car that Jay Leno wants,lol.

NBC Headquarters
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
Tel 212-664-4444
Fax 212-664-4426



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This is a post by "Nonhocapito" who I have just upgraded as contributor due to the quality of his contributions so far.
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I still have to understand the whole Angell story as debated on this forum (he has a spooky bio because of the pentagon and other details, but Simon's argument with the pictures seems pretty strong too), but here are a few elements to add to the picture (sorry if they have already been noted):

The wikipedia's page on David Angell was created on September 14th 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... did=247234

David Angell, American TV sitcom producer. Angell died at 54 on September 11, 2001 in the crash of American Airlines Flight 11 in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack. Angell, a native of West Barrington, Rhode Island, was a longtime NBC producer who played a leading role in creating Frasier, Wings, and Cheers.
Angell was returning to Los Angeles with his wife, Lynn, after attending a family wedding in Chatham. He was survived by his brother, Kenneth A. Angell, the Roman Catholic bishop of Vermont.

The anonymous user who created this page added a number of other things to wikipedia all around those days, its activity stopped on the 17th of september 2001 (possibly interesting stuff on this list).

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... 180.71.xxx

Angell did not have a page on wikipedia before, which might be normal even for a famous producer, since the show "Frasier" itself didn't have a page on wikipedia until the 31st of December 2001 (""Frasier" was created in 1993: Wikipedia in 2001). The page had a single line and did not mention Angell.

The first appearance of David Angell on the page of the show "Frasier" dates back to 7 April 2004, by user Thomas Veil (this being his very FIRST contribution to wikipedia. He's still active today)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... id=3090611

On the page of the show "Wings", Angell is first named on the 14th of April 2005, by prolific user Great Scott:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... d=13327504

On the page of "Cheers", Angell made its appearance the 27 january 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... d=36943603

added by user Staxringold who credits as a source IMDB.

Apparently Angell did not have a page on IMDB until 2004

http://web.archive.org/web/200404111718 ... nm0029628/

and a bio until 2005

http://web.archive.org/web/200505300135 ... 029628/bio

(at least, that's the oldest stuff I could find on IMDB).

In his bio we read that he won an Emmy in 1983 "for an episode that first broadcast on November 17, 1983 titled Old Flames", however there is no mention of it on this page of IMDB itself:

http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000223/1983

while the award is mentioned on this unofficial page for the first time in 2006:

http://web.archive.org/web/200611140639 ... 983-E.html

This video at 2:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8VaJgzUa0g

seems to corroborate the writing credit of that episode to one David Angell, although it does very likely comes from a DVD, possibly released after 9/11. (In fact, according to Amazon,

http://www.amazon.com/Cheers-Complete-S ... B00008NV4G

the DVD of the first season was released in 2003.)

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While not exhaustive, I guess this research might show that Angell was firstly included in Wikipedia -- and the whole web, apparently -- as one of the victims of 9/11, and only secondly, no less than two or three years later, his name started appearing on dedicated places as that of a producer or writer of NBC.
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Fred,


It's easy to do that by having famous people on the payroll.

The last person the psyop guys want on their payroll is a famous actor that will spill the beans the second he goes to rehab.

You obviously dont know the business.

It is simply not true that its easy to get a famous actor on the payroll.

Some actors will say no to 10 million dollars if the commercial is not in line with his believes at that moment and the same actor will do a commercial for free if the " Red Cross" is involved and they see crying children in pictures.

That doesn't mean they will go out lying for the "Red Cross" it means they believe what they are selling and they think they are doing a good thing.


They are real and stupid people as you and I have been at one time and they dont know better.

Most famous people wants to change the world at some point in their career, that doesn't mean they are in on it, that means they have a platform and they really believes the sh#t they are saying, just look at Bono.


The perps could not afford and risk that a rumor was spreading among famous people, that the guy on "Flight 11" was not a real guy and lose the trust in their biggest selling division cos they wanted to come back and use them again and again and again and they have.


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I dunno, man. I see your argument, but it certainly assumes a lot of good in people that I am not sure is really there. That is to say, I think a lot of these people are greedy bastards.

I have met some famous people and I think they are a little bonkers. They earn millions and buy multiple homes and then adopt foreign babies for stylistic reasons. I am not so sure we can assume the image that TV and the paparazzi paint of celebrities is true - that they are constant victims of outside judgment. It might be that the life of a celebrity in L.A. is kind of "bubble like" in nature and if everyone around you in this bubble starts telling you to remember a guy you don't quite remember - because you've seen thousands of new faces that week that come and go on the outside of this bubble - you might just start agreeing and telling the stories so that your immediate support bubble doesn't vanish and make you disappear from the magic money circle.

I still think it's a possibility that these actors you see getting interviewed and mentioning Angell might be in on it. I don't see the problem.

D.Duck, it's like you want to believe in conspirators from dissonant locations but as soon as we identify a single possible payroll - i.e.; NBC - you think it's impossible.

I don't get it. I feel like it's way easier to get a bunch of NBC employees to tell the same story than it is for people between Fox and CNN and BBC, etc.

So we know that BBC is doing the All-American ridiculous version of events. What is so difficult about hiring the actors of NBC to add a tiny lie about an Angell?

Even if it is some guy walking around with the Angell name - which would be really weird and unnecessary to us intended dupes, who would never meet the apparently "shy" sim - you have essentially the same scheme. A bunch of people thinking what they say is the right thing to say. Either because they are lying for the perps or because they are fooled by them - but they think it's the right thing for their situation, right? Either way, NBC is a problem company. Either way, we need to figure out what actually happened. We have to understand why NBC is lying and telling some or more than some of their employees to lie. The difference between some and more than some seems to bother you. I understand that.

Think about this. Is lying "wrong" to these people? Because a lot of these people make money on lies. You see what I'm saying? They don't see lying as the wrong thing. They see it as a power that they have they can use for good or evil and they think lying for the 9/11 perps is a good thing.

We really don't have the full story and you are painting a story. And that's fine and right - you have a good conception of the world. But I am not sure if it is correct.

It might be that they really are whores sometimes. I think nonhocapito's findings are quite interesting. So these credits for Angell started appearing after 2001? But what about - say - a VHS of Cheers with Angell as a credit? Do we have that?
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nonhocapito 4 Sep 27 2010, 01:31 AM wrote:
The first appearance of David Angell on the page of the show "Frasier" dates back to 7 April 2004, by user Thomas Veil (this being his very FIRST contribution to wikipedia. He's still active today)

Nonhocapito,

I like the way you state facts. Whatever those facts mean (an identity being cited on Wikipedia or on IMDB), they are still, in our day and age, facts supported by internet timelines of publication which, we may say, are at least as 'reliable' as any sort of mainstream media report.

It's funny that you noted that the first appearance of David Angell on the page of the "Frasier" show dates back to 7 April 2004.

Let's stay with facts now and see what the SSDI (Social Security Death Index) tells us.

I searched the SSDI and found 14 deceased "David Angell's" in the USA. Yet only one "David L Angell". He died on March 11, 2004 at age 61 (incidentally, same date as the Madrid bombings - not inferring anything here, just an anecdotal observation). His death attestation was issued by the state of California.

So let this be said: David Lawrence Angell of NBC (who supposedly died at age 55 in 2001) is NOT listed in the SSDI. That's all for now. Just for the record.
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D.Duck 4 Sep 27 2010, 02:42 AM wrote:
It is simply not true that its easy to get a famous actor on the payroll.

I think the actors they use are guys they've been with for a long time. They're making intelligence operatives into famous actors, and not the other way around.

Take Michael Moore or Alex Jones as examples. I would guess that both of those guys were on the payroll long before they ever got any big breaks or became famous or got their own shows.

The Pentagon has the budget and connections to take unknowns, train them, and help them develop their careers. It's a military/industrial/media complex.

Why was Ratz playing men in uniform while Angell was supposedly at the Pentagon? Does Ratz have some military background we don't know about?

It's a pretty good recruiting tool for unknown young writers and actors: work on some projects for us and we'll help you get bigger and better roles in big-time productions. Somebody like Rachel Uchitel is gradually working her way up the fame ladder.
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The Pentagon has the budget and connections to take unknowns, train them, and help them develop their careers. It's a military/industrial/media complex.

It's a pretty good recruiting tool for unknown young writers and actors: work on some projects for us and we'll help you get bigger and better roles in big-time productions. Somebody like Rachel Uchitel is gradually working her way up the fame ladder

At least that would explain how someone fresh out of Uni with a degree in English Literature, starts their working life at the Pentagon.

A lot of these mind numbingly dumb TV shows, could have been written from within the Pentagon credited to a fictional pen name (David Angel), then given over to TV networks such as NBC, who would also be owned by a major client, such as defence contractor General Electric.

In the same way that they could have been given the faked 9/11 footage to screen.

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Hoi,

We really don't have the full story and you are painting a story. And that's fine and right - you have a good conception of the world. But I am not sure if it is correct

Thanks for the recognition my friend and I am not saying I am 100% right, I am just giving you guys what I know from 35 years at top level in the business.

I have done more then 100 live shows and close to 50 so called live shows that are shot live and then edited in a studio after the event and then aired as a live show at a later time so I know the talk and can walk the walk.

I have been looking many years for a guy that knows how to handle 4 cameras live.

Not many people can do that and some of the people that can, are directors at sitcoms.

The 9/11 live broadcast had no cameras in them but it had to look as if many cameras were used and that means someone had to write all the camera changes and the dialog that was used and mix them together in a believable way and that's not as easy as one might think so if I were a perp the first one I would try to get was from the sitcoms.


Next time we meet I will take you to a set and I promise you the level the conversations are among those guys will make us run after 5 minutes.

Not to downgrade anyone in a disrespectful way but most famous actors are not that clever and most of them cant even pay their own bills, they have people that do that for them.

I think you give actors to much credit, being smart, evil,good and what ever, when in fact most of them have no evil agenda more then being more famous then their fellow actor.


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I fail to see the point of all this controversy. If (sorry: when ;) ) we get our day in court we'll supply the prosecutors with, say, a 3000-page report of our investigations. It will of course contain a section titled "indications pending legal and institutional verification". If it turns out that Ratzenberger wasn't the alias of Angell, the defendants are not going to get a round of applause and be sent home with the tribunal's embarrassed apologies. They will have to sit through the prosecutors' expos? of another 2999 pages of inescapable, probatory documentation. I (don't) wish them luck with that.

We all know that the bottom line here is that no "David or Lynn Angell" perished on "Flight 11", as there was no such flight. If David was impersonated by someone else or was a real person now sipping Pi?a Coladas on a Pacific island, I frankly couldn't care less. We surely cannot pretend to uncover right here, through our humble efforts, every single aspect, intrigue and minutiae of the gigantic 9/11 operation - with its almost limitless funding and resources.
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I have transferred the Ozzy-Dduck..uh...'dialogue' over to the Reality Shack's skype conference-call chatline. All forum contributors may log on there if they wish to partake in the discussion. Please get in touch with me by e-mail if you are a contributor who's not yet included in the skype conference-call chatline.

I will not allow this fundamental Memorial Scams top thread (or any other thread of this forum for that matter) to drift off-topic - much less to be the terrain for confrontation between contributors or members alike.
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