About Kham's witnessing of a double-murder triple-injury shooting, I have been privately notified by PM that Kham has discussed this in a CluesForum podcast. So I guess I (and Simon) can be scolded for having not yet listened to all the CluesForum podcasts, haha, sorry Hoi.
But still, Kham, it would be much appreciated if you could please post details here, in written form, so that we can do our due-diligence of checking to confirm this was indeed an ultra-rare case of an ACTUAL shooting. If we don't do a little checking, it would appear to readers that we are "playing favorites / getting loose" about terror/attack claims.
And fellow vigilant members, let's actually give Kham the benefit of the doubt, since she is a met-face-to-face friend and partner of Simon & Hoi. Meaning, let's not label anyone a shill without actual proof of lying. And let's ask Kham questions politely. I think the questions asked in my post about this are polite enough:
Observer wrote:Wow Kham.Kham wrote:Having been in a bar shooting where 2 people died and 3 people were injured from gunfire...
There where exactly 3 people who needed emergency medical assistance so only 3 people stayed behind.
Since I was in a pile of people with my daughter up by the stage who hadn’t been able to escape, I was able to witness the entire event.
You witnessed a stranger shoot 2 people dead, and shoot 3 other people too?
Was your daughter one of the three people injured from gunfire?
I notice you mentioned, "Even though the first shooter stopped after he emptied his clip..." and "at the time of the shooting, as I recall, no one knew how many shooters were in the vicinity." So, does that mean you only witnessed one shooter?
Does this mean you witnessed one guy walk into a bar and empty a clip (16 rounds?) into a bunch of strangers?
Who was he trying to kill?
Was this a crime of passion, like a husband trying to kill a specific person who had slept with his wife or something, or was this a crazy person just trying kill a bunch of strangers?
Have you ever mentioned this to Simon or Hoi face to face?
Have you ever mentioned this here at CluesForum before?
Have you ever mentioned this on the CluesForum podcast?
Have you ever posted about this anywhere online before?
See, I was already in disbelief about your previous surprising report back in February of this year, when you wrote:
I didn't want to grill you publicly, since you have a met-face-to-face relationship with Simon, so I sent Simon the following letter, in which I basically tell Simon that you (Kham) should tell us if your "good friend" who "says she attended high school with the father of one of the victims of the Florida high school shooting" was a met-face-to-face-and-physically-hung-out-together-many-times-over-many-years ACTUAL-good-friend, or just a VIRTUAL-online-penpal?Kham wrote: A good friend, Nancy, says she attended high school with the father of one of the victims of the Florida high school shooting.
Teenage diseased victim: Luke Hoyer
Father of victim: Tom Hoyer
Facebook post from my friend Nancy who knows father of victim
Anyway, here is the letter I e-mailed to Simon:
E-mail Title: Kham's "friend"
Date: 2018 February 24 at 02:19
If someone had the balls to ask the female Kham,
"How many hours have you actually spent physically sitting with that character which you label 'your friend'?"
the honest answer would probably be:
"Well, zero hours physically actually, but I've exchanged typed sentences with this person for YEARS!"
So this is actually merely a virtual online-typist-character,
whom Kham incorrectly tells herself,
"This is my friend, I know her well, through the sentences she has typed, and the images she has shown me."
Women nowadays often incorrectly label such never-physically-met virtual online-typist-characters "my friend."
Meanwhile, men are too scared to even ask Kham for clarification, since we want to be nice to women.
Plus, men make the mistake of thinking, "Hanging out physically for a few weeks (e.g. Kopi) somehow magically proves that person is not on the military payroll."
The fact is, even a physical-friend-roommate could easily be a military-payroll well-trained actor/spy/mole/liar.
Typed words prove nothing.
Images and videos prove nothing.
Even meeting a person proves nothing.
Even living together for decades proves nothing.
Even a lifetime family member can not be uncritically "trusted".
What matters is: regardless of source, every sentence must be critically checked for logic.
We humans want to run away from this troublesome task of critically thinking about each claim.
Thus, we humans continually make the mistake of labeling certain sources/people "trustable from now on."
"This person has stated enough logical sentences in the past, so now I no longer need to critically check him/her."
Wrong. The troublesome task of critically thinking about and requiring proof for every claim, must continue daily.
Shouldn't you have mentioned [the shooting you witnessed] when you first introduced yourself to CluesForum viewtopic.php?p=2395889#p2395889 ?
You do realize, dear Kham, that CluesForum members would currently be "calling shenanigans on" (i.e. not believing) this random-shooting witness-story, which you are suddenly casually mentioning now: if it weren't for your close friendship with Simon & Hoi, right?
This is very shocking, because in general I don't believe people attempt to kill people without a reason. I don't believe in random murders. But you witnessed a random reason-less murder of multiple people?
I think THIS deserves its own thread. The FIRST actual shooting-witness report ever to be taken seriously at CluesForum. You are the first person ever whose account of witnessing a shooting we CluesForum members are going to feel pressure to suspend our disbelief about, since you have a close face-to-face relationship with Simon.
Please Kham, start a thread and tell us all the details so that we can as politely as possible (politely please, everyone, seriously) do our due-diligence of investigating the time and place and details about this no-doubt publicly-known publicly-reported-about shooting incident, right?
simonshack wrote:As for Kham witnessing a shooting (I don't put this beyond the realm of possibility) it certainly is a bit odd that she has never shared such a dramatic firsthand experience with me. I'll be looking forward to read any available media reports about this shooting event.