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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby Mansur on Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:38 am

bongostaple » January 24th, 2019, 7:24 pm wrote:In reading a lot of audio engineering interviews ...

Thank you, bongostaple. -- But a search for „any clear explanation of why it makes a difference” I regard a waste of time. There are so many other ways in the music industry „to affect the listener’s mood” that it seems completely useless, and even misguiding, to look for something like that.
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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby bongostaple on Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:18 pm

I concur - a search would be futile I believe. I've read voraciously for years about audio engineering and I'm sufficiently autistic to know that if I'd ever come across anything relevant, I would remember it. Plenty of ways to influence the listener's mood as you say. A specific one I find really quite distressing at times is over-compression, also referred to as 'the loudness war'. So many records have been detrimentally compressed, losing most of the dynamic range in a recording, just to sound loud enough on commercial radio. Euw.
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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby kickstones on Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:45 pm

bongostaple » February 6th, 2019, 6:18 pm wrote:I concur - a search would be futile I believe. I've read voraciously for years about audio engineering and I'm sufficiently autistic to know that if I'd ever come across anything relevant, I would remember it.


Ha, Bongostaple, didn't you ever come across the experiment that demonstrated Pink Floyd remastered tracks (440 / 432 Hz), played to different sets of rats increased food intake in one group more than the other.

I've read very little about audio engineering, but found it quite relevant, and would have thought a music mogul with links to food industry would also find it relevant.

Here's the experiment...


VL - 132
DO - 10.1016/j.brainresbull.2017.06.002
JO - Brain Research Bulletin


Animals were randomly and equally distributed on three experimental groups (n= 7) as follows: group one (Gr1; Ctr) was the control (whithout music) group, placed in normal housing area (average room noise 35 dB), group two (Gr2; 432 Hz) and group three (Gr3; 440 Hz) were exposed to music sound (not noise) at 432 Hz and 440 Hz, respectively.

The division of the two frequencies, was achieved by remastering, in a recording studio. For music treatment, a simple MP3 was placed with the loudspeakers in the soundproof box containing the animals;the music (Pink Floyd, The Division Bell) was played at a constant volume (average sound level was 65 dB, with peaks at 70 dB), for one hour/day for four weeks.

This choice was made because in our previous analysis (pilot experiments) there were no differences among various musicians (Bach, Mozart, Pink Floyd), even if at different frequencies (432 and 440 Hz); therefore we chose the Pink Floyd. Gr2 and Gr3 rats were exposed at the same music but burned at either 432 or 440 Hz, respectively.

To identify the possible differences in the experimental animals, the body weight of animals was constantly monitored starting the day before treatment beginning, and then daily, at the same time, for four weeks.

In this preliminary study, we want to show how different musical frequencies can cause different effects on the function of the hypothalamus.This relation between hypothalamus and music, at the best of our knowledge, has never been described previously; in particular, our investigation highlights, in the rat, the hypothalamic involvement with feeding behaviour.

Our aim is to examine the response of these nuclei by subjecting the animal to the musical frequencies that most commonly used by musicians and to analyze the expression of NPY and Ghre involved in the regulation of food intake in the rat.Our findings clearly indicate that both musical frequencies increase the expression of Ghre and NPY in the hypothalamus of treated rat, compared with controls group, with a different effect on food intake.

In the Gr2 and Gr3 groups underwent musical treatment, the immunohistochemistry analysis found that every hypothalamic nucleus that we examined, had a different expression of the increase in NPY and Ghre compared with Gr1; instead the hypothalamus in its entirety shows an expression of both Ghre and NPY significantly higher in Gr2 and Gr3 compared with Gr1. This means that both musical frequencies act as a stimulus on hypothalamic neurons containing Ghre, but the 440 Hz frequency was more effective than 432 Hz.

In conclusion, we hypothesize that, in the rat, listening to music can modify the expression levels of NPY, centrally, as well as the central and peripheral expression of Ghre, thus probably producing excitatory effects on eating and reduction of metabolic rate. Interestingly, these effects could be linked to the music frequency, being higher after exposure to music burned at 440 Hz.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317383442_Effects_of_different_musical_frequencies_on_NPY_and_Ghrelin_secretion_in_the_rat_hypothalamus
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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby Mansur on Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:35 am

Mozart and the rats. --- Interesting.

Why not do they make the rats „listen” to random choice of sounds? Or why not do they select themselves the kind of specific sounds being most fit to their experiments? Why do they talk about „musical” frequencies, in the case of rats?

And what about some other grouping of „musicians” to make experiments with, e.g. LadyGaga-Beethoven-Topac, or Brahms-ChubbyChecker-Beatles or Gregorians and Beyonce? ...

bongostaple » February 6th, 2019, 6:18 pm wrote:A specific one I find really quite distressing at times is over-compression, also referred to as 'the loudness war'.

I never heard the phrase but for a long time it has come to me that no matter how quiet the music actually is we know that ("in reality") it is loud, that we are influenced by the „performance” much more than by sounds, -- that is, that we in fact do not listen to music but much more to the (of course most of the times imaginary) performance. And to the "lyrics". Modern pop music is not there for the ears but for the imagination. Can we use the word here “brainwash”?
Plenty of ways to influence the listener's mood as you say.

But very few of them are I think the business of audio engineering; it may be the icing on the cake.
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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby kickstones on Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:49 am

"kickstones » January 24th, 2019, 12:35 pm"

Druids, thus preserved, arose the institution which, to avoid the name of Druid, took that of Mason, and practiced under this new name the rites and ceremonies of Druids.

It is highly plausible when the Christian religion over-ran the religion of the Druids in Italy, ancient Gaul, Britain, and Ireland, the Druids became the subject of persecution.

This would naturally and necessarily oblige such of them as remained attached to their original religion to meet in secret, and under the strongest injunctions of secrecy.



More on links between Freemasons and Druids, suppressed information and links to ruling elite.


Gould's History of Freemasonry refers to the connection between the Druids and Freemasons. The Papal Bull of 1751 against the latter might have been applied to the former:--

"The strict bond of secrecy--the oath to keep secret--at variance with civil and canon law--of ill repute amongst wise and good men." Clement XII. was followed in his condemnation of Freemasons by Benedict XIV.

The Zohar of the Kabbala taught that the "narrative of the Doctrine was its cloak--the simple look only at the garment." Clement of Alexandria wrote, "The mysteries of the Faith are not to be divulged to all.--It is requisite to hide in a mystery the wisdom spoken." Even Augustine admitted that what "is now called the Christian religion really was known to the ancients." Druidism may, therefore, have had its secrets.


We may, therefore, be excused citing a remarkable letter, reproduced in Melville's costly work, Veritas, professedly dealing with the esoteric laws of the Medes and Persians, which cannot alter. The letter is signed by Mr. Henry Melville, and by Mr. Frederick Tennyson, brother of the late Lord Tennyson, and is addressed as follows:--


"TO THE MOST WORSHIPFUL THE GRAND MASTER OF IRELAND,

HIS GRACE THE DUKE OF LEINSTER:

"The Petition of the Undersigned,

"Humbly Sheweth--

"That we, Master Masons, are in possession of the knowledge of the 'Lost Secrets of Masonry.' We can prove that the Mysteries were Masonic, inasmuch as by the usage of the Symbols now unwittingly worn by Companions and Masters, Celestial Laws are framed in accordance with the Sacred Writings, and by these Laws are obtained the true interpretation of the Lost Mysteries.

"That in former ages the learned rulers retained the Masonic mysteries for the use and benefit of the Craft, and these Mysteries were not to be divulged under a lesser penalty than Death. Such mystic secresy might have been advisable and requisite in ages past, but such retention of knowledge your Petitioners verily believe to be no longer necessary, as the advancement of truth is now the policy of the civilized world, more especially so of the British nation.

"Your Petitioners, therefore, humbly pray, Most Worshipful Sir, that you will be pleased to order a Commission of learned and intelligent Brethren to be appointed to inquire and decide--

"1st--Whether the knowledge we profess was in former times considered Masonic.

"2nd--Whether the Lost Mysteries were, and consequently still are, celestial truths.

"3rd--Whether truth should be published to mankind under the sanction of the Grand Lodge, provided always that these Lost truths interfere not with the Mysteries and Ritual of Modern Masonry.

"And, lastly, whether, under all considerations, the Grand Lodge of Ireland will assist, fraternally, the dissemination of the recovered truths, which will enlighten the most enlightened Chiefs' of this present generation.

(Signed) HENRY MELVILLE,
FREDERICK TENNYSON."

We were acquainted with Mr. Melville in Tasmania some fifty years ago, when he had been long engaged in an investigation of ancient learning, and had even then come to the conclusion that heathen mythology was but a disguise, concealing scientific truths.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/idr/idr15.htm

Below are high profile figures associated with Freemasonry and Druids....

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Mr. and Mrs. Winston Churchill at Government House reception on March 28th 1921 in Jerusalem.

After Europeans in the First Crusade captured Jerusalem in 1099, many Christians made pilgrimages to various sacred sites in the Holy Land. Although the city of Jerusalem was relatively secure under Christian control, the rest of Outremer was not. Bandits and marauding highwaymen preyed upon pilgrims, who were routinely slaughtered, sometimes by the hundreds, as they attempted to make the journey from the coastline at Jaffa through to the interior of the Holy Land.


In 1119, the French knight Hugues de Payens approached King Baldwin II of Jerusalem and Warmund, Patriarch of Jerusalem, and proposed creating a monastic order for the protection of these pilgrims. King Baldwin and Patriarch Warmund agreed to the request, probably at the Council of Nablus in January 1120, and the king granted the Templars a headquarters in a wing of the royal palace on the Temple Mount in the captured Al-Aqsa Mosque. The Temple Mount had a mystique because it was above what was believed to be the ruins of the Temple of Solomon. The Crusaders therefore referred to the Al-Aqsa Mosque as Solomon's Temple, and from this location the new order took the name of Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, or "Templar" knights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

Note the tall figure centre back in the above image of Government House reception in Jerusalem.......


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James Armand Edmond de Rothschild DCM DL (1 December 1878 – 7 May 1957), sometimes known as Jimmy de Rothschild, was a French-born British Liberal politician and philanthropist, from the wealthy Rothschild international banking dynasty. De Rothschild was the son of Edmond James de Rothschild of the French branch of family.
https://www.revolvy.com/page/James-de-Rothschild-(politician)

Here is another well known face being initiated into the Druids, then Princess Elizabeth now Queen Elizabeth II.


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Queen Elizabeth II bloodline can be traced back to King, John (1199-1216) who inherited the throne from his brother Richard the Lionheart.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/mi ... n_01.shtml

Maybe coincidence, but of interest, 42 of 43 U.S. presidents also share the same bloodline to one common ancestor: King John of England.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -king.html

Yes, it appears it's all in the family.....

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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby bongostaple on Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:37 pm

Ref the rat experiment described earlier - there wasn't any mention of the playback equipment used. Any loudspeaker/cabinet design has lower and upper limits on frequency, beyond which the ability of the setup to produce that frequency tails off. Usually a lower limit for a small setup may be quoted as say 50Hz - the general meaning of this is that lower frequencies are reproduced at -3dB per octave or steeper. The 432Hz music used in the rat experiment could easily have some low frequency content that the playback equipment cannot reproduce at the same volume as it can with the 440Hz music. The same applies at the higher frequency limit too.

What I'm saying is, as well as the frequencies being different, some frequencies will be much lower volume in one piece relevant to the other; with the implication that the rats were listening to different music at the extremes of frequency reproduction. To compensate for this in the experimental process, you would need to put each track through a filter where the lowest frequencies are taken out at a point higher than the physical lower limit of the playback equipment. Yet still the 440Hz version may have low frequencies that are absent in the 432Hz version - so it's difficult to make them 'the same' when in practice they are not the same.
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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby Flabbergasted on Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:58 pm

kickstones » February 8th, 2019, 8:49 am wrote:Maybe coincidence, but of interest, 42 of 43 U.S. presidents also share the same bloodline to one common ancestor: King John of England.

Even without doing the math, common sense rejects the relevance of "descending from King John" (1166-1216).

According to one Sam Sloan...
Genealogists tell us that King John is literally the father of us all. Almost the entire population of England is descended from King John, primarily through his illegitimate daughter Joan, the daughter of an unknown French mistress. Joan had six children, who had more children. They were not considered royalty, as Joan was illegitimate, but they proliferated in great numbers. It can easily be seen that, through Joan alone, all of England could become populated. Joan lived from 1188 to 1236. Since 813 years have passed after her birth, if one assumes that the population of her descendants doubled every 30 years, that means that 27 generations have passed since her birth. She would therefore have more than one hundred thirty-three million descendants, which is 2 to the 27th power.
http://www.anusha.com/kingjohn.htm
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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby kickstones on Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:36 am

Flabbergasted » February 9th, 2019, 11:58 pm wrote:
kickstones » February 8th, 2019, 8:49 am wrote:Maybe coincidence, but of interest, 42 of 43 U.S. presidents also share the same bloodline to one common ancestor: King John of England.

Even without doing the math, common sense rejects the relevance of "descending from King John" (1166-1216).

According to one Sam Sloan...
Genealogists tell us that King John is literally the father of us all. Almost the entire population of England is descended from King John, primarily through his illegitimate daughter Joan, the daughter of an unknown French mistress. Joan had six children, who had more children. They were not considered royalty, as Joan was illegitimate, but they proliferated in great numbers. It can easily be seen that, through Joan alone, all of England could become populated. Joan lived from 1188 to 1236. Since 813 years have passed after her birth, if one assumes that the population of her descendants doubled every 30 years, that means that 27 generations have passed since her birth. She would therefore have more than one hundred thirty-three million descendants, which is 2 to the 27th power.
http://www.anusha.com/kingjohn.htm



Does common sense reject the revelance that the proximity of kin relationship with the heads of leading bloodlines has nothing to do with affairs? that is to say, are some descendents more closely genetically related to hierarchy bloodlines than others and as such are afforded greater opportunity to those less genetically related?

For example...

“This information comes from Burke's Peerage, which is the Bible of aristocratic genealogy, based in London. Every presidential election in America, since and including George Washington in 1789 to Bill Clinton, has been won by the candidate with the most British and French royal genes.

Of the 42 presidents to Clinton, 33 have been related to two people: Alfred the Great, King of England, and Charlemagne, the most famous monarch of France. So it goes on: 19 of them are related to England's Edward III, who has 2000 blood connections to Prince Charles. The same goes with the banking families in America. George Bush and Barbara Bush are from the same bloodline - the Pierce bloodline, which changed its name from Percy, when it crossed the Atlantic. Percy is one of the aristocratic families of Britain, to this day"



Granted the relationships are sometimes distant 10th or 15th cousins, but in a country with hundreds of millions to choose from, this simply cannot be chance or coincidence.

Gary Boyd Roberts, a genealogist at the New England Historic Genealogical Society thoroughly traced these connections in his book “Ancestors of American Presidents.” George W. Bush himself is directly related to 16 former U.S. presidents including George Washington, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James Garfield, Grover Cleveland, Teddy Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Richard Nixon, and Gerald Ford.

Bush is closely related to the king of Albania and has kinship with every member of the British royal family and the House of Windsor. He is related to 20 British Dukes, the 13th cousin of Britain’s Queen Mother, and of her daughter Queen Elizabeth. He is 13th cousin once removed from Prince Charles and has direct descent from King Henry III, Charles II, and Edward I of England. Through the House of Windsor and King Henry III, the Bush’s and Clinton’s are genetically related as well.


http://commonsensecentral.net/2008/Atlantean-Conspiracy.pdf
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Re: The PR of Secret Societies

Unread postby kickstones on Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:53 am

Whilst not promoting the works of Miles Mathis, it is worth noting that he has posted a picture that may well be in line with part of the subject matter of this topic..

From...

The Titanic: the Fraud that Keeps on Giving


PAPER UPDATE, added 2/10/19, The Titanic Hoax. I have added three more photos, proving the fake. See page 21.

Here's one of them...

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That one is tagged as Stuart Collett, Christian minister and Titanic survivor. Nothing there indicates he is a minister, but we do have indication he is a spook. See the strange hand position in the coat, or the“hidden hand”—indicating the great hoax.


http://mileswmathis.com/titan.pdf
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