The CORONAVIRUS circus

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rusty
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by rusty » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:48 pm

Dear noho,
nonhocapito wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:02 pm
There is a full page notice about this on the home page of euromomo. You can decide to dismiss it, or not
My bad, I have to admit I did not see it (when was it added?) Here it is:
euromomo wrote: Note concerning COVID-19 related mortality as part of the all-cause mortality figures reported by EuroMOMO

Over the past few days, the EuroMOMO hub has received many questions about the weekly all-cause mortality data and the possible contribution of any COVID-19 related mortality. Some wonder why no increased mortality is observed in the reported mortality figures for the COVID-19 affected countries.
The answer is that increased mortality that may occur primarily at subnational level or within smaller focal areas, and/or concentrated within smaller age groups, may not be detected at the overall national level. This even more so in the pooled European-wide analysis, given the large total population denominator. Furthermore, there is always a few weeks of delay in death registration and reporting. Hence, the EuroMOMO mortality figures for the most recent weeks must be interpreted with some caution.
Therefore, although increased mortality is currently not being observed in the EuroMOMO figures, this does not mean that increased mortality does not occur in some areas or in some age groups, including mortality related to COVID-19.
OK, so we'll see in a few weeks. However, the "subnational" level can hardly apply to Italy here, having such huge figures, it would get noticed on a national level as well. The only acceptable excuse is delayed reporting, which may possibly happen in such a situation.
nonhocapito wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:02 pm
I rely mostly on my friends' direct experience of having been forced to attend to covid patient not being pneumologists. They say there simply are way more cases and way more respiratory crises.
OK, so they only see a small part of the puzzle as well.
nonhocapito wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:02 pm
My compost pile sure seems like a testimony to bacteria.
Bacteria follow their medium. They exist where there's something to feed from, mostly dead organic matter. They develop in every non-sterile enviroment, evolving from spores. If you ingest rotten organic matter where bacteria are having a party, it's quite possible you get sick, this is toxic to the body on many levels. But you can't separate bacteria from their environment, they'd die instantly. If there are areas in your body where tissue is no longer kept fully alive, bacteria will come to play. But are they to blame for the dying tissue? Are they transmissible as separate entities? I don't think so.

And as for the existence of viruses ... we have that other thread. Note that it is primarily about the existence of the claimed material entity "virus", a protein-coated, very specific piece of DNA/RNA, which replicates by entering cells, eventually killing them. That's a preposterous and very silly thing to exist (maybe I should elaborate a bit on this in the mentioned thread). I agree however, that viruses as toxins or as a concept of "invisible" transmission of diseases (psychologically/energetically/...) may exist to some extent ... but this would probably exclude constructing this kind of "viruses" as bioweapons.
Seneca wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:10 pm
In think you are both right. First they did aggressive testing with faulty tests. Making the public think the infection was very widespread. Then they start testing only symptomatic patients like in many other places, leading to ridiculous mortality rates and more fear. Then they do more crazy things like testing everybody that died in the hospital or something, or just assuming somebody that died has the virus based on some lousy criteria, all of this making the mortality rate and the fear of the disease much higher.

I still think that the fear alone could make small illnesses much worse. Like turning a bronchitis into pneumonia as Dr. Hamer discovered.
Thanks, Seneca, maybe you're right in all points. Add some toxic treatment as a possibility on top. Actually, I'd be more surprised if there'd be NO excess deaths after all what's been going on there.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by keyth » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:04 pm

anonjedi2 wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:52 am
This is starting to become quite ridiculous...

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The Photo was taken by Jabin Botsford of the Washington Compost.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/jabin-botsford/
https://www.instagram.com/jabinbotsford/#
Gotta love that conspiracy candy "time" displayed just above Trump's speech, 11:33 :rolleyes:

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by slowanon » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:36 am

slowanon wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:01 pm
[...] Russian connections [...]
News on RT says that "seven Russian Ilyushin Il-76 military transport planes carrying medical supplies and experts to help Italy battle its devastating Covid-19 crisis landed at the Italian air force base Pratica di Mare.
The aircraft brought medics and specialists in infectious diseases from Russia, as well as equipment necessary for diagnostics and disinfection."

RT also has video footage of the arrival and exchange of greetings. Russian military personnel deployed to a NATO founding member country that is a in state of emergency, something like that is not seen very often.

According to Wikipedia, Russia currently has the 6th place in the total number of tests, but that is still low in the test/mil. people metric (but happens to be same or better than the UK or Japan as per the current state of the table), but their posive/1000 tests metric looks like they might have the lowest infection rate of any country.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by rusty » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:11 am

All the facts you need on the situation, wrapped up on one page:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Some quotes:
...The occupancy rate of the North Italian ICUs in the winter months is typically already 85 to 90%...the number of additional unexpected pneumonia cases is not yet known.
...A hospital doctor in the Spanish city of Malaga writes on Twitter that people are currently more likely to die from panic and systemic collapse than from the virus.
...A manufacturer of the Covid19 test kit states that it should only be used for research purposes and not for diagnostic applications, as it has not yet been clinically validated.
...A report in the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera points out that Italian intensive care units already collapsed under the marked flu wave in 2017/2018
...Most major media again falsely reported that Italy yesterday had 797 deaths from the coronavirus. In reality, the president of the Italian Civil Protection Service stressed that these are deaths „with the coronavirus and not from the coronavirus“
...countries like South Korea and Japan that introduced no lockdown measures have experienced near-zero excess mortality in connection with Covid-19...
...by now it is clear that certain regions in Northern Italy, i.e. those facing the toughest lockdown measures, are experiencing markedly increased daily mortality figures. It is also known that in the Lombardy region, 90% of test-positive deaths occur not in intensive care units, but instead mostly at home. And more than 99% have serious pre-existing health conditions...
Highly recommended read!

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by heniek1812 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:55 am

rusty wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:11 am
All the facts you need on the situation, wrapped up on one page:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Some quotes:
...A hospital doctor in the Spanish city of Malaga writes on Twitter that people are currently more likely to die from panic and systemic collapse than from the virus.
Highly recommended read!
On one board I suggested that psychosomatic factors might be driving the numbers unusually high. The reaction was "Go tell that to those who I saw dying in the hospital (Italy)". I said to my self, "Ciao Bambino!".

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by rusty » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:47 am

Air quality in Europe. Correlation with respiratory problems purely coincidental, of course. It's the virus, stupid.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by keyth » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:53 am

Waiting in line at my local supermarket last week, I saw this New Zealand Herald front page. Our Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, is telling us this is "The new normal".

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Now where have I heard that line before? 🤔

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by alovas1980 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:48 am

Coronavirus = common cold.

I try to find a way to calculate how far they can go with this COVID-19 hoax, so that an average medical doctor would find it still plausible.
So, I will use the official data from the official sources and I pretend that everything they say is true. Of course, I know that even if viruses exist and even someone can catch it, they don’t cause anything harmful. So, this is just a mind game.

Common cold is caused by the Coronavirus in 15% of the cases. Coronavirus is not a new thing; it was always here. Everyone on Earth gets the common cold on average 3 times a year, and it lasts on average 2 weeks long.
7,772,799,652 (about 7.8 billion) people live on earth. Everybody has it on average 6 weeks long, so it means 12% of the total population has common cold in every moment.
15% of those has the common cold caused by the Coronavirus. So, 2% of the 7.8 billion people has the Coronavirus.

It means 130 million people has the Corona virus right now, and after two weeks another 130 million people will have it.

We have every year 4 million people who die from pneumonia globally, and according to a publication I will link below, 12% of the people hospitalized with serious respiratory illnesses has the Coronavirus.

So, the dead count in a year can go up easily 480,000 people dying from pneumonia who has the Coronavirus. They don't have to do anything for it, it was like that already every year. They could get these numbers even when the coronavirus test would be 100% accurate.

They can say whatever they want, how many people are infected. Every two weeks they have 130 million people who has this virus. Actually, I think they will go quite far. My guess is that they will not stop until they reach near 100,000 dead, they will definitively choose a nice numerological number. Then they will say, this epidemic was just as dangerous as the Spanish flu, but because of the modern age and all the restrictions we survived.
Here below I put as quote all the data I used. It is mostly from Wickedpedia, so I don’t put links in it, everybody can easily find it. For the one academic publication I put the link below.
4 million people die in a year from pneumonia globally. WHO estimates that 290,000-650,000 respiratory deaths occur each year associated to seasonal influenza.

About 5,000 virus species have been described in detail, of the millions of types of viruses in the environment.

The common cold, also known simply as a cold, is a viral infectious disease of the upper respiratory tract that primarily affects the nose. The throat, sinuses, and larynx may also be affected. Signs and symptoms may appear less than two days after exposure to the virus. These may include coughing, sore throat, runny nose, sneezing, headache, and fever. People usually recover in seven to ten days, but some symptoms may last up to three weeks. Occasionally those with other health problems may develop pneumonia.

Well over 200 virus strains are implicated in causing the common cold, with Rhinovirus, Coronavirus, RSV and parainfluenza being the most common. There are also a lot of viruses that doctors haven't identified. About 20%-30% of colds in adults are caused by these "unknown" bugs. Because so many different viruses can cause the common cold, and because new cold viruses constantly develop, the body never builds up resistance against all of them.

There is no vaccine for the common cold. There are no effective antiviral drugs for the common cold even though some preliminary research has shown benefits. The primary methods of prevention are handwashing; not touching the eyes, nose or mouth with unwashed hands; and staying away from sick people. Some evidence supports the use of face masks.

The common cold is the most common human disease and affects people all over the globe. Adults typically have two to three infections annually, and children may have six to ten colds a year (and up to twelve colds a year for school children). Rates of symptomatic infections increase in the elderly due to declining immunity. The duration of common cold is 1–3 weeks. In general, the common cold can be contagious anywhere from one to two days before the symptoms begin up until the symptoms have completely resolved. However, the common cold is typically most contagious during the initial two to three days of illness.

The common cold is a viral infection of the upper respiratory tract. Commonly implicated viruses include human coronavirus (≈ 15%). Frequently more than one virus is present.
The common cold virus is typically transmitted via airborne droplets (aerosols), direct contact with infected nasal secretions, or fomites (contaminated objects). Which of these routes is of primary importance has not been determined. The viruses may survive for prolonged periods in the environment (over 18 hours for rhinoviruses) and can be picked up by people's hands and subsequently carried to their eyes or nose where infection occurs. Transmission is common in daycare and at school due to the proximity of many children with little immunity and frequently poor hygiene. These infections are then brought home to other members of the family. There is no evidence that recirculated air during commercial flight is a method of transmission. People sitting in close proximity appear to be at greater risk of infection.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/185/9/1338/938156

Rhinoviruses and coronaviruses are recognized as the major causes of the common cold syndrome. The role of these viruses in more serious respiratory illnesses resulting in hospitalization is less well defined. During a winter when influenza A infection was prevalent, 100 elderly adults hospitalized because of cardiopulmonary illnesses were evaluated for rhinovirus and coronavirus infection. Patients who tested negative for influenza or respiratory syncytial virus had nasal swab samples tested for rhinovirus, coronavirus OC43, and coronavirus 229E by reverse-transcription polymerase chain reaction and for coronaviruses by serologic testing. Twelve percent of patients had rhinovirus or coronavirus identified (rhinovirus, 4 patients; coronavirus 229E, 4 patients; coronavirus OC43, 3 patients; and mixed rhinovirus/coronavirus 229E infection, 1 patient). All patients had significant underlying diseases. Although all patients recovered, the mean length of stay was 8 days; 4 persons had pneumonia, and 1 required ventilator support. These data suggest that rhinoviruses and coronaviruses may be associated with serious respiratory illnesses in frail older adults.
Edit: Two grammatical errors

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by mlebek » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:01 pm

(by Google Translator)
A few years ago, an oncologist examined how AIDS could spread so quickly across the planet.
Many of his cancer patients had AIDS from one day to the next. Explanation: the new AIDS test reacted to 27 diseases (for example lymph gland cancer) and also to medication.

Africa should have been overrun by AIDS, according to the mainstream, so he called a friend in Africa.
He found that the death rate was not increasing, but AIDS.
How could that be?
The death rate did not increase because the people who died anyway from tuberculosis, leprosy, malnutrition, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, when tested positive, simply drove up the AIDS numbers!

By the way, it was later found that patients who received the AIDS drug AZK died earlier.

Corona:
The Corona test is also faulty.
The fear and isolation that the WHO builds up weakens the immune system and thus increases the chances of getting flu, getting treatment and appearing in the corona statistics.

The statistical analysis of the first 2000 corona deaths in Italy does not fit the reporting:
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Average age: 79 years!
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only three (0.8%) had no previous illnesses,
50% had at least three previous illnesses,
25% had 2 previous illnesses,
25% a previous illness.
Every third dead had a heart disease.
Under 40 years: only men with serious previous illnesses - such as cardiovascular diseases and kidney problems or diabetes. [..]

The question for Italy would be, how are corona patients treated, what medications did they take beforehand, were they vaccinated, how can the reporting be manipulated?


Interesting: worldwide every day
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50,000 people
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die of malnutrition!
(Corona since outbreak 4 months ago: *** 14,000 ***)

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by fakeologist » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:20 pm

rusty wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:47 am
Air quality in Europe. Correlation with respiratory problems purely coincidental, of course. It's the virus, stupid.

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I like it. Do you have a source since we question all graphics here?

rusty
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by rusty » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:33 pm

fakeologist wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:20 pm
I like it. Do you have a source since we question all graphics here?
Found it today on the German weather service wetteronline.de - don't know where they got it from. You can see from the URL that the image is hosted there.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by rusty » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:44 pm

mlebek wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:01 pm
The question for Italy would be, how are corona patients treated, what medications did they take beforehand, were they vaccinated, how can the reporting be manipulated?
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ wrote: It is also known that in the Lombardy region, 90% of test-positive deaths occur not in intensive care units, but instead mostly at home.
Rumour has it that many of those elderly people who were diagnosed positive and had to stay at home in quarantine started panicking and overdosed themselves on Aspirin and Ibuprofen in absence of a doctor. Remember that many of the Spanish Flu fatalities were actually caused by Aspirin, which was the all the rage back then because it helped release symptoms so well. Doctos learned somewhat since then ... but not everybody equally so in the general population.
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by alovas1980 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:09 pm

In Hungary a patient told his General practitioner (medical doctor) that he thought, he had caught the Coronavirus.
She told him: “You could not catch the Coronavirus, because there isn’t any Coronavirus in Hungary.
The guy recorded it and gave it to one of the biggest TV broadcasters of Hungary RTL.

The Hungarian Medical Chamber started a medical ethics investigation and she was promptly removed from her position as General practitioner.
It happened in the small village (5000 people) of Komadi near Romania.
https://embed.rtl.hu/embed/1515768

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by anonjedi2 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:14 pm

mlebek wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:01 pm

Interesting: worldwide every day
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50,000 people
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die of malnutrition!
(Corona since outbreak 4 months ago: *** 14,000 ***)
Thanks for posting. Can you please provide the link/source?

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by corsarino » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:42 pm

Have you ever notice that people from India, Africa, Albania, Romania etc living in Bergamo and Brescia area don't suffer of Coronavirus?

It's very strange!

Many people of other countries live in Lombardia......

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