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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Postby simonshack on Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:05 pm

ICfreely wrote:Not good at all. We needn’t lower ourselves to the level of deeply confused trickster ‘gods’ of destiny.


What does that even mean? :huh:
Could you explain this to us, mere mortals? Please.
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Same man in Istanbul, Orlando, EgyptAir

Postby corsarino on Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:55 am

This unlucky man was killed in Istanbul airport, in Orlando gay bar and in the EgyptAir air crash

https://medium.com/valigia-blu/morto-in ... .e9f50apon
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Re: Same man in Istanbul, Orlando, EgyptAir

Postby nonhocapito on Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:13 am

Whatever is the reason for this, this stuff has already been "debunked" by MSM as "twitter accounts trying to get attention". So, why should we discuss it? Let's not help them. <_<
(Or rather, perhaps I would help if I knew that this was someone fed up with fakery who is "trolling" the media. Instead, this is probably nothing more than the MSM polluting the discourse on media fakery, so we might as well not take the bait.)

[Also: this is not an Italian forum! so, please, if you link to an Italian page also provide an exhaustive description or translation of some of the content, or links to international pages, such as this.]
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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Postby ICfreely on Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:47 am

aa5 » July 25th, 2016, 4:40 pm wrote:I hadn't heard of that book, it sounds very interesting. Perhaps they need the comparison to appreciate what the present is. While also needing the past to be virtuous, so that their state was always the good guys?


Well, nobody likes to think of themselves as the bad guy. I think it’s safe to say that people have a tendency for romanticizing the past. Be that as it may, those virtuous tales can and do serve a purpose. They give people noble ideals to live up to. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

For example, five guys could claim that their wife/girlfriend is the most beautiful woman in the world. If you put them all in a room would you expect a brawl to break out (with every guy trying to prove his wife is the prettiest)?

Of course not! Each guy would know exactly where the other guys were coming from. In fact, their mutual understanding/shared values would make it more likely for them to get along.

I’m pretty sure most readers (Hoi for example) probably think I’m an ethnocentric elitist who’s blinded by Golden Age tales of my people. But it’s really not like that. The media has so unjustly vilified Iranians for so long that I (and others like me) feel compelled to set the record straight. Noblesse oblige!

I will not hesitate to stick up for a fellow Iranian in distress.

And this dress… And this dress… ;)

Persian Wedding Baba Karam Dance

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KN9LyvFKmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KN9LyvFKmk


Seriously, do these people look like they need lessons in civility?


The dance of Baba Karam is a tribute to Jahels (literally means the ignorants) who were a specific cult of usually undereducated urban youth or middle aged men with their own way of dressing (black suits, white shirts, black hat and some type of a scarf as you see in the video), their own style of speaking Farsi and and their own code of behavior. Generally they did not have legitimate jobs therefore were intoxicated often and were known to get into knife fights. They also supported a specific but unspoken code of honor amongst themselves.

Baba Karam may have been a renowned Jaheh or purely a fictitious character to exemplify the characteristics of this group. Jahels are also referred to as Kolah Makhmalis (the velvet hatters).

There is a certain affection for the imagery of the Jahels in Iranian hearts.

http://iranian.com/main/2009/feb/baba-karam.html


You see, Hoi, if baba karam is haram (a sin), then this lefty doesn’t want to sit at the right hand of Allah! :)
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby Flabbergasted on Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:43 pm

Very interesting essay.

ICfreely wrote:We scramble and strive and aspire and resist. We’re resourceful and resilient. That’s the key to our survival and, often, our accomplishments. For whatever reason, the world has always held that against us [...]

I must be stupid, stupid, stupid, because, try as I might, I fail to see the justification for the plurimillennial "Jewish problem" in those commendable qualities.
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby ICfreely on Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:40 pm

Growing up in LA, I had several Iranian Jewish (and Muslim) friends. One Iranian Jewish mom once asked me what my ethnicity was. I told her Assyrian/Armenian & she immediately froze up. I could sense the fear in her eyes. Later on I found out that me being part Assyrian scared her seeing as Assyrians allegedly massacred Jews way back when. Once she got to know me everything was fine. But I still remember how horrified she was. Regardless of whether or not the massacre happened the fear was real!

As for Gina, I've had to scramble and strive and aspire and resist - be resourceful and resilient. So I can relate to her.
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby ICfreely on Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:41 pm

Chanukah in July 1979
Disc 108, Program 431

Event Date:
During the first summer of the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Chief Rabbi of Mexico Abraham Hershberg was selected by the United Nations to visit the Jewish hostages. Before leaving, the Rebbe gave him an important instruction: “Be sure to light the Chanukah menorah with them.”

1:11 – One of the organizations, I think it was in the U.S., put pressure on the UN to include a Rabbi, because three of the hostages were Jews.

2:08 – Now I want to share something very interesting; this has to go down in history… When the Iranians agreed to this delegation’s visit, it was summertime. Rabbi Hershberg came to the Rebbe, and told him he is about to travel to Iran, and asked for his blessing and guidance on what to do there, and how.

The Rebbe instructs him: “Kindle the Chanukah menorah for them-” It’s the middle of summer, what Chanukah menorah…?

Then some issue came up and they couldn’t go - …and thing were delayed until Kislev – December.

They arrived the 23rd, 24th of Kislev, a day before Chanukah.

And there we understood what the Rebbe meant when he told him, in the middle of summer, to kindle the menorah.

http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/livingtorah/player_cdo/aid/2048399/jewish/Chanukah-in-July-1979.htm



Was the Rebbe a ‘psychic,’ à la Dr. Georg Sieber?
(http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2397753#p2397753)

Or was he full of $chitt?


Teheran, 1980

Afterwards, it became clear. Rabbi Hershberg's mission in Iran took longer than expected, during which time he developed a relationship with some Iranian officials. He knew that there were six Jews among the hostages in the American embassy and he asked permission to light the menorah with them. "Just as we have granted permission for a priest to meet with the Christian hostages on their holiday," the Iranians replied, "we will allow you entry as well."

And so it was in the barricaded American embassy in Iran that Rabbi Hershberg lit the Chanukah menorah that year.

From To Know and to Care by Rabbi Eliyahu and Malka Touger; published by Sichos In English

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/chanukah/article_cdo/aid/102974/jewish/Teheran-1980.htm


Were there three or six Jews among the 'hostages'?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby Flabbergasted on Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:06 pm

ICfreely » August 4th, 2016, 8:41 pm wrote:
Were there three or six Jews among the 'hostages'?

Perhaps there were three Jews and three Crypto-Jews :rolleyes:

In any case, if true, it´s not a large proportion (5.8% or 11.5%, as the case may be) considering the usual 30-70% prevalence of Jews in US/international strategic positions.
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby ICfreely on Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:23 pm

Flabbergasted » August 5th, 2016, 6:06 am wrote:Perhaps there were three Jews and three Crypto-Jews :rolleyes:


Perhaps there were zero God fearing Jews, my good sir!
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby ICfreely on Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:27 pm

Here’s an Israeli’s take on the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

Before the Revolution Explores the Sheltered Fantasy Lives Led by Israelis in Iran

Dan Shadur talks about his new documentary about life under the Shah, and his parents’ golden years in Tehran

By Samuel Thrope

June 5, 2013 • 12:00 AM

The unexpected moment in Israeli director Dan Shadur’s new documentary, Before the Revolution, about the Israelis who lived and worked in Iran at the end of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi’s rule, comes just as the revolution succeeds. In archival 8mm footage, found and remastered by Shadur and producer Barak Heymann, triumphant demonstrators celebrate the Shah’s departure in January of 1978, [1979] the culmination of months of mass protests against his regime.

What’s surprising is not the images themselves, but the music that Shadur has provided for them: Rather than the threatening minor-key soundtrack that usually underscores Israeli depictions of the Islamic Revolution, a rumbling doom that signifies the birth of an existential threat, the music that plays as the smiling crowds celebrate is upbeat and free. As people shout “Khomeini, Khomeini, we wait for you!” in expectation of the ayatollah’s impending return from exile, the music is joyous, inviting the Israeli viewer to celebrate along with them.

“That was the catharsis of the film for us,” Shadur told me when I spoke to him after film premiered at Tel Aviv’s Docaviv festival last month. “The point when you identify with the demonstrators: What is melancholic and sad for us Israelis is—very short and tragically—a happy moment for them.”

Thirty-five years after the Islamic Revolution, today Israel and Iran seem natural enemies. But during the shah’s rule, Iran had deep, if never official, military, diplomatic, and economic ties with Israel. For the thousands of Israelis who lived and worked there in the 1960s and ’70s, Iran meant opportunity: Oil to be bought, weapons to be sold, and, through lucrative development projects, money to be made. Though some had contacts with the upper echelons of Iranian society, most Israelis were cut off from the growing opposition to the Shah among everyday Iranians, and, when the revolution came, they were caught by surprise: The shah’s government, Israel’s closest ally in the Middle East, suddenly vanished, almost without a trace.

Using archival film, much of which was recorded by Israelis themselves, and interviews with Israeli former diplomats and expatriates, Before the Revolution seems at first to rehearse the standard Israeli story about Iran—“We built them a country,” [Meshuga please! :lol: ] as one interviewee, Ofer Nimrodi, puts it—everything was great until the Islamic Revolution came.

However, in scenes like the one described, Shadur subtly undermines that narrative, and the viewer is left with more questions than answers. What really happened in Iran, outside the camera’s frame and the unreliable reminiscences of the Israeli protagonists? Was the Israeli alliance with the shah good? Was it justified? And what does Shadur, who has succeeded in making a political documentary both captivating and subtle, really think of it all?
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Dan Shadur, 35, spent the first year of his life in Tehran. His parents were among the Israelis living and working in the city, and the film includes their snapshots, home movies, and excerpts from their letters. In the family mythology, Tehran is remembered as the setting for a golden age and not only because Shadur’s parents were young and in love. Soon after the family’s return to Israel, his father suddenly collapsed and died during a basketball game; his mother passed away from [allopathic?] cancer ['treatment'? :( ] some 15 years later. But Shadur goes far beyond a recounting of his own family tragedy. His search for his parent’s lives becomes an exploration of the cultural and political moment of which they were a part. “I kept their memory very personal,” he says. “In that way the film benefits and my family benefits. The film benefits because the family story doesn’t overpower it.”

The political story the film tells is of an Israeli community insulated from Iranian society and shocked when the shah’s regime begins to crumble, refusing to believe, until it was almost too late, that their time in Iran was over. The interviewees paint a picture of an easy life in the posh neighborhoods of North Tehran—of wealth, material comforts, and imported Western products that were unavailable in Israel.

This lifestyle was underwritten by Israel’s intimate diplomatic, trade, and security relationship with the shah’s regime. Iran was then Israel’s largest supplier of oil, and, in turn, Israel sold weapons, developed agriculture and built infrastructure, advised SAVAK, the dreaded secret police, and even helped launch Iran’s nuclear program—the same program that, in the hands of the Islamic Republic, so bedevils Israeli politicians today.

While interviewees describe being invited to sumptuous dinners with the royal family and hobnobbing with generals, none mention having middle-class friends, or even the existence of Iran’s then-growing middle class. As several interviewees admit, most did not understand the divisions and tensions in Iranian society, or recognize that masses of people were left behind in the shah’s top-down industrialization. While many were aware of the repression and fear inspired by the omnipresent secret police, none took it to be a matter that merited their concern.

“We lived on a different planet,” said Nili Yanir, a friend of Shadur’s parents and one of the film’s interviewees. “We didn’t really know, we weren’t involved in their internal politics. We were not really interested. We were very young.”

Some Israelis living in Tehran did break out of the bubble, studying Persian language and culture, and making connections with everyday Iranians. Before the Revolution also leaves out Iran’s sizable, and then influential, Jewish community, as well as the Iranian intellectuals who, from the early 1950s until sentiments turned after the Six Day War, admired Israeli socialism and even visited the young country. The most prominent of these was Jalal Al-e Ahmad, one of 20th-century Iran’s leading writers, who came to Israel in 1963. In the travelogue he wrote on his return, Al-e Ahmad expresses his admiration for the kibbutz and Israeli education and argues that the Jewish state should be the model for Iran’s own political development.

However, if these aspects of the Israeli-Iranian relationship are left out, it is because Shadur does not aim at comprehensiveness. Before the Revolution uses a particular history to explore the Israeli character: that mix of naiveté, hubris, good intentions, and isolationism exemplified by the decades-long support for the shah’s repressive regime and the refusal to accept the regime’s impending fall. “I did think about putting Iranians in the film,” Shadur recalled. “In the end, I felt that I shouldn’t. The film is about Israelis, their state of mind, their psychologies, and their fears.

[Therein lays the problem! Israelis in Iran didn’t live in a fa-king vacuum. They lived among Iranians. How could one put the Israelis state of mind, regarding the Iranian Revolution, in proper context when one ignores the state of mind of Iranians?]

One scene, among others, illustrates Shadur’s point. On Sept. 8, 1978, months into the protests that eventually toppled the regime, the Iranian army opened fire on a peaceful demonstration. Yossi and Sara Shtainman, friends of Shadur’s parents, recall that their maid was convinced by rumors circulating at the time that Israeli soldiers, not Iranian troops, had perpetrated the massacre. “I said to her, ‘Zohara, look at us, we are Israelis,’ ” Sara Shtainman remembers telling the maid. “ ‘You know us. You know how we behave. Do you think we could do something like that?’ ”

[The mossad, and radical zionists could do something like that, no?]

“In Germany, the average Jews were victims of the Zionist elite who worked hand in hand with the Nazis. Many of those same Zionist Jews who, in Germany, had worked with the Nazis, came to Israel and joined hands with the Zionist/Communist Jews from Poland and Russia. It is the two faces of communism and Nazi-style fascism that rule Israel. Democracy is merely an illusion.”Jack Bernstein

The Jews of Iraq - Naeim Giladi
Zionist propagandists still maintain that the [1941] bombs in Iraq were set off by anti-Jewish Iraqis who wanted Jews out of their country. The terrible truth is that the grenades that killed and maimed Iraqi Jews and damaged their property were thrown by Zionist Jews.
http://www.inminds.com/jews-of-iraq.html
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1832&start=195#p2397385



“For me this is a beautiful moment because it contains so much,” Shadur said. “It shows you the anti-Israeli propaganda: Israel does a lot of stuff, but they didn’t send helicopters to shoot people. [ :o ] It also shows you the naiveté. You did sell weapons, you did train SAVAK. When you do this you have to think of the consequences; don’t be so surprised that people hate you and that you’re isolated.”

For Shadur, the attitude characterized in this scene is also representative of Israelis’ perception of the world today. “Everything around us is still burning; it doesn’t matter that we’re not in Tehran anymore. If you go 10 kilometers from here,” he said, referring to the West Bank and Gaza, “there’s crazy stuff going on. We still live in this bubble.”

Before the Revolution has a critical agenda, but Shadur’s touch is light, never directly challenging interviewees’ statements, leaving room for a degree of confusion between the filmmaker’s perspective and that of its protagonists. Sheila Moussaey, who immigrated to Israel from Tehran in 1994 and now teaches at Haifa University and Ben Gurion University in Beersheva, was incensed that interviewees depict Iranian society as divided between rich and poor and leave out the country’s substantial middle class, as well as their failure to mention Iran’s native Jewish community. As Moussaey said, this centuries-old Jewish community, which supported the shah and was close to the royal court, “helped the Israelis to be awarded projects. They don’t talk about how the Jewish community served as a bridge that helped them make connections and corrected their errors in behavior, manners, and dress.” When told that Shadur himself saw the film as critical of this Israeli perspective, Moussaey responded: “That is what he thinks; I don’t see any criticism at all.”

[Neither do I!]

However, for Haggai Ram, author of Iranophobia and professor at Ben Gurion University, its subtlety is the film’s great achievement. As he saw it, Shadur’s directorial discretion allows a subtext of regret to come through in many of the interviews. Though at the time interviewees believed that they were working for Iranians’ benefit, Ram said, “now in retrospect they get the idea that perhaps there was something terribly wrong in Israel’s decades of working with the shah.”
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/133759/israelis-tehran-iran
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby ICfreely on Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:34 am

I'm posting the following article because I think it may help explain Dan Shadur's biases and logical fallacies.

The politics of Jewish ethnocentrism
Yakov Hirsch on August 17, 2016

How can Bret Stephens, who is so sensitive to any slight he perceives against his own people, use the phrase “disease of the Arab mind” when writing about hundreds of millions of other people? That is what Stephens, the Pulitzer prize winning columnist for the Wall Street Journal, did in his recent article about the Egyptian Olympic athlete who refused to shake hands with with his Israeli opponent.

Lisa Goldman @lisang
"The disease of the Arab mind"? Total disgrace the @WSJ publishes horrifically racist language by @StephensWSJ https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status ... 7866356736
7:11 AM - 16 Aug 2016


Similarly, how can David Horowitz, who like Bret Stephens, is so quick to assign prejudice when Jews and Israel are criticized, write something like this?

David Horowitz @horowitz39
There has never been a people as dishonest, immoral, bloodthirsty & unworthy of respect as the Palestinian Arabs. https://twitter.com/splendid_savage/sta ... 2781295616
1:19 PM - 11 Aug 2016


How do we have a culture that allows these type of moral and ethical contradictions to go, without even a discussion about it?

I think a good place to start in solving this riddle is with a recent Judi Rudoren quote (that Adam Horowitz pointed out). The deputy international editor and former Jerusalem bureau chief for the New York Times said that Israelis are
“blunt and racist in a way that’s just different from America… It’s blunter there, but it is also more rooted in experience. It’s not based on some stereotype. It’s based on, ‘Every Israeli I know has acted in this way.’ Or, ‘My cousin was killed by a suicide bomber.’ It’s not based on kind of an idea, it’s based on experience.”

Let me unpack that. Rudoren said there is a lot of prejudice and racism in the world but unlike other people who are racist and prejudiced the world over, we Jews are justified in our prejudices. This sophisticated editor turns out to be so ethnocentric she can’t separate her subjective reality from reality itself. When she feels pain when Jews are killed after a Palestinian attack that pain she experiences makes her understanding of what happened totally “prejudiced”. But according to her it isn’t prejudice it’s reality. This in spite of every racist thinking exactly the the same way Rudoren does, that they have a REASON for their own racism, that their prejudice is warranted by the real world. (Just listen to David Duke some time.) But Rudoren believes that what goes on in her head, unlike the fantasies of the racists out there, is objective reality. And remember she is considered one of the “good guys,” a liberal from the liberal NY Times.

This is not just the view of one top Jewish editor at the New York Times. It is a powerful force in the world and an Orwellian force in U.S. culture. It allows the obscene double standards practiced by the two Jewish fanatics above.
It’s the same ethnocentrism Jeffrey Goldberg exhibited when Jews applauded Donald Trump at AIPAC. “Stop being surprised,” he ordered his twitter followers.

Jeffrey Goldberg
✔ @JeffreyGoldberg
Those of you who are surprised a pro-Israel audience likes a pro-Israel speech by Donald Trump should stop being surprised.
3:53 PM - 21 Mar 2016


Nothing to see here. Because Jews are always allowed, according to Goldberg. And don’t make Goldberg tell you why. All delirious Trump crowds must be looked at askance, except when Goldberg’s people do it. It’s how he experienced the world from when he was young.

Jews are always better! And so Jeffrey Goldberg fit every experience in his life to make himself feel comfortable as an ethnocentric Jew in the modern world. Actually more than comfortable. His whole career is an attempt to defeat “reality” with an ethnocentric Jewish reality.

And since, unsurprisingly, in Jeffrey Goldberg’s reality, he represents “moral clarity,” and since his own identity is what is ultimately at stake here, he becomes a Torquemada type figure in all his “debates.” He makes people who see the world as it actually is defend themselves to Goldberg, because Goldberg is such an insecure Jew.

The result is an Orwellian world where Goldberg is publicly assessing whether Andrew Sullivan is an anti-Semite.
Because when an Irish-Catholic raises his voice when speaking about Benjamin Netanyahu, it somehow makes Goldberg feel like it’s Kristallnacht all over again.

Goldberg and others have been telling themselves the same preposterous self-serving story for many years. And meanwhile tormenting people who see the world as it actually is. That’s how Jeffrey Goldberg deals with his cognitive dissonance. Why go to a shrink like everyone else does, when Jeffrey Goldberg can drive everyone else nuts instead.

Not only is it necessary for him to convert other people to the Goldberg ethnocentric view of the world, he does it by the sword. He will defame anyone who disturbs the childlike equilibrium he has in his brain. So utterly clueless about the world, yet not letting that ignorance restrain his pomposity one bit, he must bully/cajole/convince “reality” to fit into the view of his delicate Jewish psyche.

When the AIPAC Jews applauded Trump, Peter Beinart reacted in a justly angry way in Haaretz. He was inspired right from his headline: “Trump at AIPAC: A Jewish betrayal of the U.S.”

“Thank you, Donald Trump. Unwittingly, you’ve done something important. You’ve exposed AIPAC’s indifference to the well being of the country in which it thrives. My country. The United States.”

Peter Beinart is not living his life worrying about phantom neo-Nazis celebrating every bad bit of publicity Jews get, the way Jeffrey Goldberg is.

But then Jeffrey Goldberg doesn’t consider himself like every other journalist who merely reports the news. He is a historical figure who was put in this world to help the Jewish people. So he tries to censor reality with his tweets because it sure looks bad for the Good and Moral side, the Jewish side, Jeffrey’s side. And like all fanatics, personal ethics mean little to him.

Censoring reality is also what the late A.M. Rosenthal did when he famously censored Thomas Friedman’s report of “indiscriminate” Israeli bombing of Beirut in 1982. Rosenthal and Goldberg know the truth: Israel and the Jews are “good,” their enemies “evil”.

So if they to have to cover up certain nasty facts that give a mistaken impression about what “the overall context of the events” actually is, and what their moral clarity tells them, well, that ain’t a decision at all.

“The overall context of the event” may be familiar to you as the words of another leading voice of Jewish ethnocentrism. It was how Benjamin Netanyahu reacted to the video that came out of an Israeli army medic executing in cold blood a prone and wounded Palestinian in occupied Hebron in March, a man who had minutes earlier injured another Israeli soldier with a knife.

Netanyahu said this:

As the father of a soldier and as Prime Minister, I would like to reiterate: The IDF [Israel Defense Forces] backs its soldiers…. Our soldiers are not murderers. They act against murderers and I hope that a way will be found to balance between the action and the overall context of the event.

And he said this:

“Questioning the IDF’s morality is outrageous and unacceptable… IDF soldiers, our children, maintain a high moral standard when they deal with bloodthirsty murderers… IDF soldiers deal with bloodthirsty murderers under difficult operational circumstances.”

The question that immediately comes to mind is what possible “overall context of the event,” or mitigating circumstances argument, can possibly be made with a straight face to even to the most sympathetically inclined judge? This is what is called an open and shut case. Thanks to the video, we see the crime from beginning to end. We even have the bonus footage of the murdering medic shaking hands with his Hebron Sabbath host Baruch Marzel (who Larry Derfner tells us is “monster in chief… the leader of a movement that produces and glorifies Arab-killers.”)

But Netanyahu’s meaning was clear to those it was intended, his Israeli audience. The extenuating circumstances in the murder seen in the video are that our children including the murdering medic are good and their children are bloodthirsty murderers.

This is part of the elephant in the room, the 21st century “Jewish question” that so many people now have a hand on, but don’t know what they’re actually touching. The lack of personal ethics shown by these ethnocentric Jews, while lecturing and condemning far and wide, all under the banner of “moral clarity,” has caused perplexity and rage. Robert Wright expressed both after they smeared Chuck Hagel for having used the words “Jewish lobby.”

“These people are blinded by their passions, and the fact that their smears are wild and unfounded doesn’t mean they’re insincere.”

I say that this blindness is Orwellian because it is everywhere and uncontested. So Rep. Hank Johnson uses the word “termites” to describe the settlements, and to him it is just a word. It means nothing to anyone in the room in Philadelphia he is addressing, and the whole world understands “termites” exactly the way he used it.

But the next thing a bunch of ethnocentric Jews are explaining what a terrible thing he said.

This is also the untold story of the Iran deal a year ago: the head-on collision between actual reality and ethnocentric Jewish reality. Between every leading country in the world and honest journalists like Andrew Sullivan and James Fallows and an almost unanimous chorus of Israeli security experts on one side, representing reality– and Netanyahu and Goldberg and Jamie Kirchick and other ethnocentrics representing what is only in their head, on the other.

What a circus it was. Netanyahu was allowed to make the world crazy over the non-Iran threat to Israel. Why? Because the ethnocentric Jewish “perception of reality,” even if it is as far removed from reality as it often actually is, gets to sit at the table with reality. In fact at the head of the table.

And it is a fascinating story. To my mind the most humorous collision between the real world and the Jewish ethnocentric fantasy world was the breakup of Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and his “soul friend” Senator Cory Booker after Booker came out for the Iran deal. Booker lives in the real world. He got all the briefings. He knows that Iran, as ex-Mossad head Efraim Halevy put it, is “1000 years” away from threatening Israel’s existence.

But Booker had to contend with a totally deranged tribal fantasy. I love how Booker refused to meet the late Elie Wiesel and Ron Dermer. Few politicians would do that. He deserves respect for that.

This was what Booker was subject to non-stop from his former friend. On Facebook, Boteach wrote that it was “troubling and tragic” that his “soul friend” chose to support the deal despite the fact that he went to Israel at 25 and visited the holocaust museum in Jerusalem, “a trip that I arranged trusting that he would absorb the never-ending Jewish struggle for survival in a world inhabited by the kind of evil represented by the Iranian regime.”

How many public figures can even afford not to be indoctrinated in Jewish ethnocentrism? The exceptions are the brave ones. I believe Jewish ethnocentrism is a unique threat to American political life today. It has been ignored for way too long, and that is the story I am going to keep on telling.

http://mondoweiss.net/2016/08/politics-jewish-ethnocentrism/
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby ICfreely on Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:49 am

Flabbergasted » August 5th, 2016, 6:06 am wrote:Perhaps there were three Jews and three Crypto-Jews :rolleyes:



FYI, Flabbergasted, a common name for Iranian crypto-Jews is…


MULLAH
The term has also been used among Persian Jews, Bukharan Jews, Afghan Jews, and other Central Asian Jews to refer to the community's religious and/or secular leadership. In Kaifeng, China, the historic Chinese Jews who managed the synagogue were called "mullahs".[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah



The Challenges of Spiritual Leadership

The viziers of Iran would arrest Jews such as Mullah Elijah, then chief rabbi of Shiraz, and require them to pay an exorbitant fee or convert to Islam. At first, Elijah said he would convert and become a Muslim, but he would need time to prepare for the transformation. However, when his time was up he refused to convert, so he was locked in a dungeon and brutally whipped. Unsurprisingly, missionaries who visited Shiraz at the time found that many of Shiraz’s outward converts were both socioeconomically and religiously miserable, held an inward contempt for Islam, and maintained the appearance of being identical to their Muslim neighbors while they continued to practice Judaism within their own homes.

Rab Yusef, also known as Ohr Shraga, was an Iranian mystic and Jewish leader for the community in Yazd during the late 18th century. A direct descendant of King David, he is known for performing many miracles, and his tomb in Yazd is considered a religious holy site for Jews and Muslims alike even today (Lalezar 2006). His counterparts were Mullah Mosheh Halevi of Kashan, a Kabbalist, rabbi, and author of books on Jewish mysticism, and later Mullah Rabbi Isaac of Tehran, one of the first rabbis to contact the Alliance Israelite Universelle in search of protection for the Jews of Iran from persecution by Shiite government officials.

Preserved marriage contracts show that intermarriage was also common among Persian Jews, even in ancient times. Ezra and Nechemiah, two of the later Jewish figures of the Tanach, publicly banned intermarriage and issued punishments to those who married outside the faith (Price 1996). In the century and a half that followed the construction of the Second Temple, the final codification of Jewish law—with its clear rule against intermarriage—was one of the prominent factors ensuring the continuation of the Jewish people in the Middle East, and Iran in particular. While it has not always been adhered to, the law, combined with a nearly constant threat of persecution, has been integral to the continued survival of Iranian Jewry (Bard 2010). The mass emigration of Jews from Iran in the mid to late twentieth century has proven the most trying to its preservation of faith and custom; hence, the more isolated communities that opted not to emigrate, such as the Jews of Mashhad, have seen lower rates of intermarriage than others.

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I'd like to have you know Mullah Elijah was the chief rabbi of Hamedan. My great-grandfather and his fathers before him were the first Chief Rabbis of Shiraz. It started with Mullah Shlomo, then Mullah Darvish, then Mullah Pinchas, then Mullah Rachamim, then Mullah Yitzchak, then Mullah Yosef, then Mullah Shlomo, and then the last Chief Rabbi of Shiraz, my great-grandfather, Mullah Meir Moshe. I am very insulted that you would dare to denounce the fact that my forefathers were the Chief Rabbis and this Mullah Elijah was. Please email me back about the subject.

Ezra Dayanim
Silver Spring, Mayland

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1442787/jewish/The-Jews-of-Iran.htm


Sad Fate of Iran's Jews

By Parvaneh Vahidmanesh, Washington (source: Institute for War& Peace Reporting)
05/13/10

Many tell with horror the story of how the Jews of Mashhad were forced to convert to Islam in March 1839, in what is known as the Allahdad incident.

Over the years, some felt so threatened that they chose to convert to Islam, but continued to practice Judaism in secret - becoming so-called crypto-Jews.

One of the latter, Moshe Hakimi, from Mashhad, spoke to IWPR about this community's dual identity.

"Every newborn was told from his first years of life that we are living in times of crisis and that they must lead a double life. They told us that we must not talk about our personal lives in front of non-Jewish people. This absolute secrecy became second nature after reaching puberty," he said.

"Therefore, all Jewish converts to Islam had two names: for example, my grandfather's Muslim name was Sheikh Aboulghasem and his Hebrew name was Benjamin. My father's Muslim name was Ebrahim and his Hebrew name was Abraham. Outside they call me Mousa and at home, I'm called Moshe. In my father's lifetime, many of the Jews had very Muslim names. They even went to Mecca on pilgrimage and became Hadjis."

Some of these crypto-Jews observed Islamic creeds more zealously than the Muslims.

The Mozafarian and Froughi families are among the Jews who have embraced Islam in the past 100 years and found important social and political status for themselves.

Nasser Makarem-Shirazi, one of the Shia Grand Ayatollahs, who is close to the government, had Jewish ancestors. He is now known as a radical cleric. The Asgaroladi brothers, influential figures in the Islamic Republic, are also of Jewish descent. Habibollah Asgaroladi has for years been the secretary-general of the powerful Islamic Coalition Party. His brother Asaddollah is a powerful merchant, who is also the head of the Iran-Russia and Iran-China chambers of commerce.

http://www.payvand.com/news/10/may/1135.html



Crypto-Jew is the correct term, as it also refers to Jews forced to adopt other religions and political philosophies while maintaining Jewish practices. Crypto-Judaism pre-dates the Inquisition, as Jews were forced by the Al-Mohavid invasions of Spain to become Muslims, creating Crypto-Jews who gradually fled to Christian districts for protection from the Muslims (see Roth's History of the Jews). In modern times outwardly Muslim Crypto-Jews are known to be in Meshed [Mashhad], Iran, and in Turkey.

http://shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/13-05.html


The Crypto-Jewish Mashhadis: The Shaping of Religious and Communal Identity in Their Journey from Iran to New York

Hilda Nissimi

This book tells the little-known story of a fascinating crypto-Jewish community through two centuries and three continents. Beginning as a precarious settlement of a few families in mid-eighteenth-century Mashhad, an Islamic holy city in northern Iran, the community grew into a closely-knit group in response to their forced conversion to Islam in 1839. Muslim hostility and a culture of memory sustained by intra-communal marriages reinforced their separate religious identity, vesting it in strong family and communal loyalty. Mashhadi women became the main agents of the cultural transmission of communal identity and achieved social roles and high status uncharacteristic for contemporary Jewish and Muslim communities. … The Mashhadis maintained a double identity – upholding Islam in public while tenaciously holding onto their Jewish identity in secret. The exodus from Mashhad after 1946 relocated the communal centre to Tehran, and later to Israel and after the Khomeini revolution to New York. The relationship between the formation and retention of communal identity and memory practices – with interconnected issues of religion and gender – draws upon existing research on other crypto-faith communities, such as the Judeoconversos, the Moriscos, and the French Protestants, who through the special blend of memory-faith and ethnicity emerged strengthened from their underground period. For the immigration period, the author challenges the old paradigm that “modernity and religion are mutually exclusive”. The book also explores the sometimes uncomfortable yet intimate relationships that exist between seemingly incompatible ways of seeing the past, both secular and religious.

https://www.amazon.com/Crypto-Jewish-Mashhadis-Religious-Communal-Identity/dp/1845191609
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby Kham on Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:48 am

The following quote about non-Muslims living in Muslim countries is often read, however it is only half the rule.

"Pay the tax or convert to Islam"

This is an often misunderstood rule.

In Muslim countries, if one is Muslim, then one pays taxes as prescribed in the Quran.

In Muslim countries, if one is not Muslim, and does not follow the Quran, then how does one pay Muslim taxes? One doesn't. One pays non-Muslim taxes. So the quote above should really be ...

"Pay either the Muslim tax or Non-Muslim tax, but you have to choose one. Everybody must pay their taxes to the state."

Or

"Pay the tax or convert to Islam and pay the Islamic tax."
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Hilarious 9/11 Mattress Commercial

Postby XQB on Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:54 am

This has been big news all over Texas. Miracal Mattress, a store in San Antonio recently aired this hilarious commercial as a 9/11 mattress sale. I couldn't stop laughing at how hilarious it was. Especially funny were the two male bozos falling into the mattresses symbolizing the WTC's, and the chubby girl at the end saying "we will never forget":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZmM-2g ... e=youtu.be

The comments on their Facebook page were equally hilarious, with many shills and "I was there that day" idiots proclaiming utter disrespect for the poor vicsims:

https://www.facebook.com/miraclemattress210/

That was the owner's daughter in the video. Eventually, the public frenzy over this was so bad that the business decided to close its doors indefinitely. Sadly, "we will never forget". :D
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Re: Hilarious 9/11 Mattress Commercial

Postby hoi.polloi on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:16 pm

XQB » September 12th, 2016, 2:54 am wrote:This has been big news all over Texas. Miracal Mattress, a store in San Antonio recently aired this hilarious commercial as a 9/11 mattress sale. I couldn't stop laughing at how hilarious it was. Especially funny were the two male bozos falling into the mattresses symbolizing the WTC's, and the chubby girl at the end saying "we will never forget":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZmM-2g ... e=youtu.be

The comments on their Facebook page were equally hilarious, with many shills and "I was there that day" idiots proclaiming utter disrespect for the poor vicsims:

https://www.facebook.com/miraclemattress210/

That was the owner's daughter in the video. Eventually, the public frenzy over this was so bad that the business decided to close its doors indefinitely. Sadly, "we will never forget". :D


Moved for non sequitur in bold, as if you hadn't even read the discussion taking place in the thread, whatsoever.

Come on, people. Can we please not turn our forum into Fecesbook?

If you're going to just drop links, at least read the conversation, give your impression as if you are actually interacting with the members here. Most people on this forum are capable of at least that. You know, conversation. Even take some screen shots, disprove annoying shill comments, or something.

When random people find our CluesForum, what kinds of intelligent comments would you like to see here? Imagine what it would be like if you never heard of these subjects, you became curious about them, and you wanted to see a real discussion between people about these subjects. And we just end up with random posts slapped together as if dropped into a subject that looks mildly related. Like a positive kind of "trolling" -- running in to "high five" the thread -- but which still has the reverse effect of turning people off of the subject.

We started this forum because we wanted people to be inspired to do their own research, to ask questions. To bloody do something better than crowd around each other and act like it's all over and all we have is each other. We have that, but we need to inspire each other to continue to spread the word about this.

There is work to be done. Please, if you care about these subjects, at least talk with your friends and family about these things instead of embracing the idea that you have to be some kind of social-media outcast.

This rant deserves to be in the derailing room, itself, I know.

But do think about the fact that what we have here is the only known historic (barely even academic-like) record of the absolutely insane things the people in power are doing with their power. What is actually happening on this planet. And in our governments. Rise to the occasion, as Simon sings in his new album. You've got to rise to the occasion.

Sorry, rant over.
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