MARS & the Curiosity Rover - NASA's latest hoax

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Feb 20/2013 !First drill sample from Curiosity!

I've seen better CGI on my Commodore Amiga. The lighting is just perfect, too, no dust on anything... thanx NASA, money well spent.

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Source: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/m ... 16729.html

If Exif data is useful, the above photo has been 'colour balanced' (by NASA, for your viewing pleasure) as:
Modified Date/Time {0x0132} = 2013:02:20 10:28:12

Yet, the 'original' 'raw colour' version is somehow newer,
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at Last Modified Date/Time {0x0132} = 2013:02:20 11:10:53
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I've been doing some reading about a comet that is set to pass close to Mars on Oct 19th, 2014. (http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2 ... ;log=0#cad)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronom ... _2014.html
It’s entirely possible, even likely, Mars will pass right through this cloud of material. And the closer the comet gets, the more likely it is Mars will get pelted by the debris set loose from the nucleus itself. . . . If the nucleus does hit the planet, well. . . . Doing a rough calculation, I get an explosive yield of roughly one billion megatons: That’s a million billion tons of TNT exploding. Or, if you prefer, an explosion about 25 million times larger than the largest nuclear weapon ever tested on Earth. . . The crater left behind would be hundreds of kilometers across, and be the largest impact Mars has seen in a long, long time. Mind you, once again, there is no guarantee this comet will hit Mars.
These people just love creating all this dramatic crap.

More from this article - http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-la ... -mars.html
As for the rovers, my initial instinct is that spacecraft on the surface should be safe from dust; most particles would burn up in the atmosphere, briefly flaring into meteors.
Of course there is no explanation given other than "instinct". :rolleyes:
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Amazing news – the Mars Rover has drilled a hole in Mars and found water, oxygen, carbon dioxide and some forms of sulfur! :P

Source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?r ... 2013-092#4

The hole looks like:
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Source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/msl/2013 ... 834-43.jpg

This set of images (above) shows the results from the rock abrasion tool from NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity (left) and the drill from NASA's Curiosity rover (right). Note how the rock grindings from Opportunity are brownish red, indicating the presence of hematite, a strongly oxidized iron-bearing mineral. Such minerals are less supportive of habitability and also may degrade organic compounds. The diameter of the abraded circle is 1.8 inches (4.5 centimeters). The image was cropped from an image taken on Sol 35 (the 35th Martian day of Opportunity's operations, or Feb. 28, 2004, on Earth) by Opportunity's panoramic camera at a target called "Guadalupe" inside Eagle Crater.

On the right is the hole produced by Curiosity during the first drilling into a rock on Mars to collect a sample from inside the rock. In this case, the rock produced gray tailings -- not red -- suggesting the presence of iron that is less oxidized. One possibility is magnetite, which was determined to be present by Curiosity's Chemistry and Mineralogy instrument. Magnetite has less oxygen than hematite and would be more compatible with habitability and the preservation of organics, all other factors being equal. These other factors would include the primary concentration of organics in the sedimentary environment, in addition to later exposure of rock to surface radiation. The diameter of the hole is 0.63 inch (1.6 centimeters), which is approximately 1/3 of that on the left-hand image. The image was cropped from PIA16726 [link to http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA16726]. It was taken on Sol 182 (the 182d Martian day of Curiosity's operations, or Feb. 8, 2013, on Earth) by the Mars Hand Lens Imager on Curiosity's arm after that day's drilling at a target rock called "John Klein."


And here is a chart of what they found:
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Source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/msl/2013 ... 835-43.jpg

:lol: :D :rolleyes:
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That looks like a surgically-neat hole...with a strangely-skimmed top surface too.

Here's terrestrial footage of a Martian test-bore at JPL (sorry, it won't imbed, and the name within the link 'Jandura' appears to relate to the Curiousity sample system chief engineer, a Ms Louise Jandura, see her report below...). Doesn't look nearly as...precise.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/videos/msl/2013 ... -3_640.swf

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/movies/CoM20130221/CoM20130221.pdf wrote:
Curiosity Collects First Rock Sample on Mars
Hi, I'm Louise Jandura, sample system chief engineer and I'm here with your Curiosity
rover report.
This was a great week for Curiosity. We got to see something we've all been waiting for
quite some time: sample in the scoop confirming that our first drill on Mars collected as we
had expected.
This was an important event as this is the first time the drill has been used on Mars to
collect sample for analysis by instruments on the rover.
We use these computer-generated images to help us visually identify how much we've
collected. We were able to estimate that we collected about 14 cubic centimeters of
sample, or about a tablespoon, and this matched our expectations of what we would see
in the scoop when we got to this point.
Our drilling capability gives us the ability to get inside this rock. The first thing you notice
about the material is that it's a different color. Gray not the reddish orange color on the
surface all around us. That reddish orange color is a sign of an iron oxidation. A kind of
rusting process that's occurred all around on Mars.
Since we've been at Yellowknife Bay, Curiosity has done more than a 100 MAHLI images
and more than 12,000 laser shots. You can see the telltale laser grid patterns from the
ChemCam in this image. Additionally, you can see a fine grain structure of this rock
indicating either a mudstone or a siltstone.
The next steps for the team are to finish processing the sample with Chimera and then put
small portions into the SAM and Chemin instruments for analysis of chemistry and
mineralogy.
This has been your Curiosity rover report check back soon for more updates.
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We use these computer-generated images to help us visually identify how much we've
collected. We were able to estimate that we collected about 14 cubic centimeters of
sample, or about a tablespoon, and this matched our expectations of what we would see
in the scoop when we got to this point.
What -- they have ultra exact measurements of weight, force, fuel and laser-guided precision for direction through a million miles of spaceflight, and landing on a planet with dubiously expertly supported, insanely intricate rocket guidance but they need to "estimate" how much they collected on Mars by having people on Earth study CGI graphics created on Earth? :wacko:
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*Update for NASA FOIA request for release of documents pertaining to the MSL Sky Crane Vehicle, submitted 7 December 2012*

JPL management and NASA are presently in consultation with the Missile Defense Agency of the Department of Defense, who has "a substantial interest" in the NASA record.

Decision to release the documents is pending.
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CitronBleu wrote:*Update for NASA FOIA request for release of documents pertaining to the MSL Sky Crane Vehicle, submitted 7 December 2012*

JPL management and NASA are presently in consultation with the Missile Defense Agency of the Department of Defense, who has "a substantial interest" in the NASA record.

Decision to release the documents is pending.
Duh... I can see it coming - something along these lines:

"We are sorry we cannot meet your FOIA request for reasons of National Security." :rolleyes:

But let's hope for the best. <_<
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This is all so strange, this very real missile killing technology mixed with this preposterous Martian space fairy tale. And frightening, to consider the implications.
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Heiwa wrote:Amazing news – the Mars Rover has drilled a hole in Mars and found water, oxygen, carbon dioxide and some forms of sulfur! :P

Source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?r ... 2013-092#4

The hole looks like:
Image

Source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/msl/2013 ... 834-43.jpg

This set of images (above) shows the results from the rock abrasion tool from NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity (left) and the drill from NASA's Curiosity rover (right). Note how the rock grindings from Opportunity are brownish red, indicating the presence of hematite, a strongly oxidized iron-bearing mineral. Such minerals are less supportive of habitability and also may degrade organic compounds. The diameter of the abraded circle is 1.8 inches (4.5 centimeters). The image was cropped from an image taken on Sol 35 (the 35th Martian day of Opportunity's operations, or Feb. 28, 2004, on Earth) by Opportunity's panoramic camera at a target called "Guadalupe" inside Eagle Crater.

On the right is the hole produced by Curiosity during the first drilling into a rock on Mars to collect a sample from inside the rock. In this case, the rock produced gray tailings -- not red -- suggesting the presence of iron that is less oxidized. One possibility is magnetite, which was determined to be present by Curiosity's Chemistry and Mineralogy instrument. Magnetite has less oxygen than hematite and would be more compatible with habitability and the preservation of organics, all other factors being equal. These other factors would include the primary concentration of organics in the sedimentary environment, in addition to later exposure of rock to surface radiation. The diameter of the hole is 0.63 inch (1.6 centimeters), which is approximately 1/3 of that on the left-hand image. The image was cropped from PIA16726 [link to http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA16726]. It was taken on Sol 182 (the 182d Martian day of Curiosity's operations, or Feb. 8, 2013, on Earth) by the Mars Hand Lens Imager on Curiosity's arm after that day's drilling at a target rock called "John Klein."


And here is a chart of what they found:
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Source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/msl/2013 ... 835-43.jpg

:lol: :D :rolleyes:
the rock abrasion tool
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John Klein - Lie, Joke etc
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Btw if ever I somehow end up thrown in the back of a van and taken away by men in black suits, please don't forget about me.

Who knows where I could end up! Perhaps far far away... maybe even in LEO? :rolleyes:
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CitronBleu wrote:Btw if ever I somehow end up thrown in the back of a van and taken away by men in black suits, please don't forget about me.

Who knows where I could end up! Perhaps far far away... maybe even in LEO? :rolleyes:
The idea that whistleblowers are getting whacked is just another part of the ongoing psyops. Perhaps you may find solace and peace of mind in the fact that I am still alive and kicking - and so is this forum!
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The arrogance of the scammers knows no bounds...
Screenshot from https://careerlaunch.jpl.nasa.gov/culture/
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No person in his right mind can believe that who posted this picture on the NASA website, in the "culture" page, under those words, did not see the penis. Everyone sees a penis. Hence this is a deliberate insult to the alleged stupidity of humanity.

Also on reddit here: http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/rela ... s_surface/

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nonhocapito wrote: Everyone sees a penis. Hence this is a deliberate insult to the alleged stupidity of humanity.
Indeed, Nonho...

But hasn't the entire space race (and those rockets with mega-horsepowered 'thrusters') been an endless phallic festival?

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This one takes the cake, though... <_<

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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmi ... Xf6ZUpTsU4
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``Rock Target 'Knorr' Near Curiosity in Rover's Self-Portrait
The location of a rock target called "Knorr" is indicated on this self-portrait of the Curiosity rover in the "Yellowknife Bay" area. Scientists used Curiosity's Mast Camera (Mastcam) to study spectral characteristics of Knorr. This self-portrait is a mosaic of images taken by Curiosity's Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) camera during the 177th Martian day, or sol, of Curiosity's work on Mars (Feb. 3, 2013). An unannotated version is at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/m ... 16763.html .

Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS``

A self-portrait! The camera must have disengaged from the rover, hovered above it for awhile, then reattached itself? That is remarkable.
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