It's you,although Simon Pegg has been know to do part time work as special forces officer,helps pay the bills.pov603 wrote:Irony alert. So thinking every picturte ina news story is manipulated and that no one died on 9/11 etc ISN'T childish? To say the least.Alfie wrote:There have been some unusual deletions but this is not common to the forum.Photographer Sim wrote:You even delete posts on your own forum,when they dont suit your agenda wow... You people are sick and really shouldn't be in society.
You cannot even get the date right!! That's how stupid you are.
Deleteing this only confirms what I have written.
What date is wrong?
You write in a very childish manner, eg "Deleteing this only confirms what I have written."Yes I can explain it,its an armed police officer of which you have applied a fuzzy photoshop filter.Next?
and as I'm so stupid could you explain this for me
Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... women.htmlIs it me or does it look like Simon Pegg the actor?
Dale Cregan 09/18/2011
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Sir Mather if you please. Do you and Fireman have vision problems and fail to see the big laughing smiley after the comment he quotes? It's a thing called sarchasm.Euphoria wrote: *edited for context*
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=244550
Just a tongue in cheek thread really ,apologies.
A press story ive been involved with this week,apprently im part of a media hoax!
http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php...=1432&start=30
My first dealings with CT nuts.
I particularly love norumaru's post..
And man, Azrael, the paste job on that mohawk really was sloppy
Good find, Fireman! It seems like Mather is not having it all his own way, even on his very own stomping ground...
Euphoria seeing as you love to mess with photoshop can you cite your professional expertise and background for discerning photoshop fakes? Do you have a scientific background perhaps? You do realise if you put any photo through that process you will get same results? Go try it and let me know how you get on.
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John Mather...If you've read the thread in its entirety, you will know that I've openly admitted that I don't always get it right. That's why I display the findings - for critical analysis, meaning other posters are welcomed to apply their experience and expertise. If I get it wrong, then it's possible for them to correct my mistakes, as Reichstag Fireman has thankfully done this time around.Photographer Sim wrote:Do you have a scientific background perhaps? You do realise if you put any photo through that process you will get same results? Go try it and let me know how you get on.
Despite my errors, this thread has established that:
* John Mather has a history of photoshopping pictures for/about the operations of Greater Manchester Police (GMP)
* 'Bruce Adams' and Cavendish Press Ltd have been credited with images showing high error levels, relating to the Dale Cregan case specifically
In short, the research on these pages is not without flaws, but it did help to set us on a path of discovery. Not every photo used in the Dale Cregan coverage is fake. Some may have been taken on training exercises. However, the above has been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt and it's not really possible for you to wriggle your way out of it (though I am sure you will continue trying!).
I have an idea. Why don't you use your professional expertise, to analyse the images on this thread attributed to 'Bruce Adams' and Cavendish Press Ltd.? I keenly await your verdict!Photographer Sim wrote:your professional expertise and background for discerning photoshop fakes?
By the way, about your post on the Randi.org forum. Nobody said "You are a conspiracy!" We entered into a process whereby a link was revealed between John Mather and media fakery connected to (or about) Greater Manchester Police (GMP). For a man so interested in rationalism and 'scepticism', you aren't very precise in your wording. But then, I suppose that's just about the only evasion technique you have left.
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There are no findings,simply turning a photo into a negative/putting it into a fancy photoshop filter doesnt actually prove anything.Euphoria wrote:John Mather...If you've read the thread in its entirety, you will know that I've openly admitted that I don't always get it right. That's why I display the findings - for critical analysis, meaning other posters are welcomed to apply their experience and expertise. If I get it wrong, then it's possible for them to correct my mistakes, as Reichstag Fireman has thankfully done this time around.Photographer Sim wrote:Do you have a scientific background perhaps? You do realise if you put any photo through that process you will get same results? Go try it and let me know how you get on.
I see,can you prove this with actual evidence i mean not twisted logic.Despite my errors, this thread has established that:
* John Mather has a history of photoshopping pictures for/about the operations of Greater Manchester Police (GMP)
There is no point telling you the are real obviously so please show me how you arrive at these error levels? What is the base result for them and how are they interpreted against *any* photo. What is your skill background for reading these results.* 'Bruce Adams' and Cavendish Press Ltd have been credited with images showing high error levels, relating to the Dale Cregan case specifically
Again please show evidence,Idont need to "wriggle" out of anything,you however need to show proof.Otehrwise you look an idiotIn short, the research on these pages is not without flaws, but it did help to set us on a path of discovery. Not very photo used in the Dale Cregan coverage is fake. Some may have been taken on training exercises. However, the above has been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt and it's not really possible for you to wriggle your way out of it (though I am sure you will continue trying!).
Photographer Sim wrote:your professional expertise and background for discerning photoshop fakes?
Sorry diversion tactics wont work with me. I dont need to analyse them,I was stood with the photographers concerned.You made a claim(fakes) so you back it up with proof. If you haven't got any just say so.I have an idea. Why don't you use your professional expertise, to analyse the images on this thread attributed to 'Bruce Adams' and Cavendish Press Ltd.? I keenly await your verdict!
You don't grasp humour I realise this.By the way, about your post on the Randi.org forum. Nobody said "You are a conspiracy!" We entered into a process whereby a link was revealed between John Mather and media fakery connected to (or about) Greater Manchester Police (GMP). For a man so interested in rationalism and 'scepticism', you aren't very precise in your wording. But then, I suppose that's just about the only evasion technique you have left.
There is no link between me and fakery! I have never faked a photo in my life. I am of course open to evidence of such practices,with a detailed explanation of the process combined with -as I posted higher up-a base point for evaluation and the scientific process that goes into such evaluation. For such a serious claim I'd expect serious evidence not just using a photoshop filter.
I await with bated breath the damning proof.
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Further to add one of the apparent fakes is Dale Cregan's car reg plate;now humour me and explain why a reg plate would be faked and how you would know? Does someone on this forum know Dale Cregan's reg plate? If not how can you even suspect it has been altered(by the magic photoshop test)?
So a lot of questions for soemone to address,preferably someone with a brain.
So a lot of questions for soemone to address,preferably someone with a brain.
Re: Dale Cregan 09/18/2011
Oh, really? So you were physically in the presence of Bruce Adams and Jon Harris at the time, then?Photographer Sim wrote:I was stood with the photographers concerned.
Didn't you tell me on Twitter that you didn't know who Jon Harris (Cavendish Press Ltd.) was?
Was your buddy Gerard Tubb (Sky TV) hovering around in the vicinity? Do you get put on the same assignments frequently?
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Jon Harris owns the company who said anything about him taking the photographs? .Does Richard Branson fly all his own planes?Euphoria wrote:Oh, really? So you were physically in the presence of Bruce Adams and Jon Harris at the time, then?Photographer Sim wrote:I was stood with the photographers concerned.
Didn't you tell me on Twitter that you didn't know who Jon Harris (Cavendish Press Ltd.) was?
Was your buddy Gerard Tubb (Sky TV) hovering around in the vicinity? Do you get put on the same assignments frequently?
Can you address my last two posts please.
Edit to add info.
Do show me tweet where I said I didn't know Jon Harris.
Re: Dale Cregan 09/18/2011
So you're saying you do know Jon Harris? You know him, but haven't personally met him? Please clarify.Photographer Sim wrote:Do show me tweet where I said I didn't know Jon Harris.
No. You see, it's very difficult to identify that sort of information for a man "of no fixed address." Very convenient for the masterminds behind this con.Photographer Sim wrote:Does someone on this forum know Dale Cregan's reg plate?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/2 ... sfeed=true
As you should know from the Randi.org forum, there are different types/levels of intelligence. Randi is full of people of high intelligence in some, limited areas.In other words, physics nerds and the like, who are over-impressed with their own cleverness and unwilling to embrace new ways of thinking if it runs against their pre-conceived paradigm for measuring the world around them. A forum more over-flowing with self-righteous smugness would be difficult to find.Photographer Sim wrote:So a lot of questions for soemone to address,preferably someone with a brain
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Re: Dale Cregan 09/18/2011
Answer my petinent posts above please instead of going off on another angle.Euphoria wrote:So you're saying you do know Jon Harris? Or you know him, but haven't personally met him? Please clarify.Photographer Sim wrote:Do show me tweet where I said I didn't know Jon Harris.
No. You see, it's very difficult to identify that sort of information for a man "of no fixed address." Very convenient for the masterminds behind this con.Photographer Sim wrote:Does someone on this forum know Dale Cregan's reg plate?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/2 ... sfeed=true
Edit: Who ever said it was a car he owned? Use critical thinking.Whether he owned,stole ,hired the car what leads you to a conclusion the reg plate was changed?
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Look back at my Twitter communication. I was asking you if it was changed.Photographer Sim wrote:Whether he owned,stole ,hired the car what leads you to a conclusion the reg plate was changed?
Then the forum stumbled upon all sorts of other seemingly tampered images, related to the Dale Cregan case specifically and other happenings related to GMP.
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You obviously suspected it had been changed-if not why the question? Not somehting one would normally suspect when viewing an image from a news story.Euphoria wrote:Look back at my Twitter communication. I was asking you if it was changed.Photographer Sim wrote:Whether he owned,stole ,hired the car what leads you to a conclusion the reg plate was changed?
Correction,the forum jumped to a paranoid conclusion based on pre-existing agendas. I've yet to see any evidence of tampering. Numeorus posts above this one I asked for proof.
Then the forum stumbled upon all sorts of other seemingly tampered images.
I'm still waiting.
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I have 5 quick questions for "Photographer Sim" - a.k.a. John Mather. All I will ask you for now is to respond with a 'yes' or a 'no', ok?
John,
1: I take it that this is your professional website which advertises your "high quality wedding photography services"?
http://www.eyeonyouphotography.co.uk/gallery.html
2: And this is (one of) your Facebook accounts?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Mat ... 6185701719
3: And this is your Twitter account?
https://twitter.com/John_Mather
4: Is this you ?
5: Are you a longtime member of the James Randi forum?
Thanks!
I have 5 quick questions for "Photographer Sim" - a.k.a. John Mather. All I will ask you for now is to respond with a 'yes' or a 'no', ok?
John,
1: I take it that this is your professional website which advertises your "high quality wedding photography services"?
http://www.eyeonyouphotography.co.uk/gallery.html
2: And this is (one of) your Facebook accounts?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Mat ... 6185701719
3: And this is your Twitter account?
https://twitter.com/John_Mather
4: Is this you ?
5: Are you a longtime member of the James Randi forum?
Thanks!
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Re: Dale Cregan 09/18/2011
All apart from 4 the answer is yes. What do I win?simonshack wrote:*
I have 5 quick questions for "Photographer Sim" - a.k.a. John Mather. All I will ask you for now is to respond with a 'yes' or a 'no', ok?
John,
1: I take it that this is your professional website which advertises your "high quality wedding photography services"?
http://www.eyeonyouphotography.co.uk/gallery.html
2: And this is (one of) your Facebook accounts?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Mat ... 6185701719
3: And this is your Twitter account?
https://twitter.com/John_Mather
4: Is this you ?
5: Are you a longtime member of the James Randi forum?
Thanks!
Re: Dale Cregan 09/18/2011
Nope, see Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... women.htmlMather Sim - yes I can explain it,its an armed police officer of which you have applied a fuzzy photoshop filter.Next?
[st]And what is your relation to ukcolumn, its a personal curio of mine?[/st]
[st]from his twatter page "John Mather @John_Mather[/st]
@MarcoBuchel77 @ukcolumn [st]Rational?! They think there were no victims on 9/11.You put a filter over pics and think it proves something! Nuts"
https://twitter.com/John_Mather[/st]
Edit sorry, not used to twitter, its Buchel77 linking to ukcolumn - sorry
Re: Dale Cregan 09/18/2011
A funny observation - Who would hire a wedding photographer that advertises themselves like this?
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you just wouldn't!
This isn't an attack, I've searched for wedding photographers in my past and ... "next"
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you just wouldn't!
This isn't an attack, I've searched for wedding photographers in my past and ... "next"