U.S.A Population

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U.S.A Population

Unread post by walkingwizard » Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:07 pm

The United States has a total resident population of 310,497,000 this according to Wikipedia. Lets say that for some reason you would like create fake people with fake bank accounts etc. Then you dont really need much procentage of the whole population to put in fake identities.

A half procent of the population is 1552485.

Lets assume they dont exist in real life just in the virtual world.
But sometimes you might need a few people for something that will be invetisigated by media etc. so you really need people that "know them" and can speak about them maybe point out the house they lived in and so on.

This you create by using agents living for a while somewhere pretending to work with whatever make them take a picture with a neighbour during a bbq. Have them walking around with a fake cast or something for a while to make them more memorable. Then after lets say 6 months move him to a new location with new job as an excuse give him a new name but same kind of deal in the next town.

If you would let 300 people doing this kind of job and they were able to create 2 persons a year, then in 5 years you have 3000 sims!


Maybe i am totally out of line here, but it is a scary thought !

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:11 pm

Makes sense to me.

News anchors move from city to city, changing their names and pretending to be "local" all the time. Why not skip the moving costs and just make them sims?

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Unread post by guivre » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:43 am

It's not that strange at all when you consider the "sleepers" of the cold war.

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Unread post by fbenario » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:35 am

guivre wrote:It's not that strange at all when you consider the "sleepers" of the cold war.
You have proof of any actual sleepers? Much more likely is that every mention of sleepers, especially in spy novels, was intended to keep Americans scared of the 'Soviet threat' (how laughable), so that 'we' automatically supported everything the government did in foreign affairs.

Identical to the current Muslim 'enemy'.

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Unread post by guivre » Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:05 pm

fbenario wrote:
guivre wrote:It's not that strange at all when you consider the "sleepers" of the cold war.
You have proof of any actual sleepers? Much more likely is that every mention of sleepers, especially in spy novels, was intended to keep Americans scared of the 'Soviet threat' (how laughable), so that 'we' automatically supported everything the government did in foreign affairs.

Identical to the current Muslim 'enemy'.
You mean aside from the anachronistic ones that were just exchanged? Excuse me for putting a label on something to compare the ideas of quick immersion into a local society.

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Unread post by fbenario » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:24 am

guivre wrote:You mean aside from the anachronistic ones that were just exchanged? Excuse me for putting a label on something to compare the ideas of quick immersion into a local society.
Just to make sure all readers are crystal clear on the subject of 'sleepers':

1. No Soviet sleepers have ever been proved to exist in America.

2. The recent crop of actors, including Anna Chapman, were not even accused of having done any actual spying for anyone, much less the Russians.

Nowadays all fabricated 'dangerous-neighbors-next-door' have Muslim names, and supposedly visited 'dangerous' jihad websites. What a farce.

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:27 am

It's difficult for me to imagine 'sleepers' of another culture bearing the stress of living in a culture they ultimately hate and revile.

If, for instance, a non-local government has an agent that lives a normal life under the local government, one would think that living 20 years or more in that country or nation would eventually cause that person to grow accustomed to it - or at least, grow accustomed to the microcosm or sub-culture they found themselves in that was supported by the local government.

So to call someone a 'sleeper agent' of a non-local government living in a local government that has more perceived 'right' to exist there is to virtually say there is a person who lives in a government, following its laws and customs as any citizen of that local government is wont to do, but somehow - because of a thought crime, or because of a plan to eventually one day seek an opportunity to change that government - is an enemy agent.

An agent of what exactly? To vote someone in to power that they like? To weave their way to the top of a social ladder to get close to someone of power and sway them with words? Kind of like how politicians work all the time?

If someone has a plan to kill someone or is conspiring to murder someone, they are guilty should they actually perform it or arrange their death, so they are exposed as a spy anyway. In that case, a 'sleeper' agent would just be someone who is a murder suspect that either got away or did not get away and was caught. There is no need for the 'sleeper' classification and it would be more helpful to call them a sociopath or a psycho.

So what the hell is a 'sleeper' agent? What does it mean? The term is meaningless even over long periods of time unless someone really has a multiple personality and they plan on eventually usurping their former 'nice' personality with a new 'hostile' personality. But then, that's the risk we run into with anybody in our daily lives - that they should change opinion of us or our way of life. So in a way, the term 'sleeper agent' seems to be a clever wordsmithing way of making us all paranoid of our government not being in our hands - by focusing our will to change things on changing other people instead of taking control of our perceptions and our own inherent power to change our government and our culture.

It's a distraction should such a thing ever exist, because the real threat is our own selves and the work Americans can do to destroy their own country - or the citizens of any country can do to destroy their own - rather than some peaceful, patient 'insider' foreigner. And if someone hates another country's way of life so much why would they spend their lives working to destroy it without having time to live a life of their own? How would they even know what way of life they are defending if their every waking moment was immersed in the 'enemy' culture? One must have experience in a culture they love and be able to scientifically reproduce the conditions of that culture or reasonably postulate the potential for that culture's possibility in order to have a replacement for the so-called 'enemy' culture that is assisting them to exist.

I don't understand the concept of a 'sleeper' under these conditions - though I may be forgetting something simple like a fool, in which case point out where I am wrong - but if someone was really so anti-life that they had this mentality, they must simply be an idiot or a brain damaged person and they shouldn't be killed, but captured and brought to an institution to see if they can learn to be better with people. The idea that you absolutely cannot resonate with someone who wants to change the conditions by which their culture lives is rather close-minded indeed unless you are so sensitive to the slightest thing changing in your life that you believe you've found the perfect culture and there is no need to change it at all.

Is a 'sleeper' someone who keeps secrets? Very well, then all our politicians, business leaders and average citizens are sleepers.

Is a 'sleeper' anyone who tries to affect change in their life or adjust their lifestyle habits to the terms by which they can survive? In that case, animals are all 'sleeper agents' for their particular species. Again, an absolutely meaningless term.

If there were no 'sleepers' who tried to change politics, you would not have voters but people who simply select the monarch chosen for them. Based on this definition - then how could citizens hope to find justice in our world? 'Sleeper agent' is a paranoid anti-democratic concept.

Now are there people within a government, supported by the government in order to keep things the way they are and therefore not upset the current power structure? Certainly, but these can't really be called foreign sleepers. They might better be called government agents or lobbyists, power-traders, power-mongers, capitalists, communists, state-ists, other labels, etc. and this is something one deals with when there are a number of extremely comfortable people in that government. We - as a society of masses - are not unhappy and powerful enough to change our government. We are stratified and overpowered by horrific technological weapons.

Now people can even be convinced that things are better than they are because simulated societies can run on television and make us think we are the only 'unhappy' ones and why don't we all just work like those robotic people on TV who are happy, impoverished, consuming robots?

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Unread post by PPT » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:42 am

All you got to do in the US , is to watch a lot of tv;
and soon you would join THE biggest bunch of "sleepers" in the world !
No wonder they re afraid to "wake-up" to reality (?).
Anyone remembers this movie about a guy ,Dalchimsky his name was,who makes phone
calls in the US to "awake" sleepers ?
That was a long time ago ;things are always worst than we can imagine ...
Regards to everyones
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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:08 am

That's so negative! Maybe you are right, but I prefer to believe - after discovering all the corruption in our news - that it doesn't get even worse! :(

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Unread post by MartinL » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:14 pm

The Sayanim System

Sayanim (singular sayan) are shielded from conventional legal culpability by being told only enough to perform their narrow role. Though their help may be essential to the success of an Israeli operation, these volunteers (sayanim also means helpers) could pass a polygraph test because their recruiters ensure they remain ignorant of the overall goals of an operation.

In other words, a sayan can operate as an accomplice but still not be legally liable due to a lack of the requisite intent regarding the broader goals—of which they are purposely kept ignorant. Does that intentional “ignorance” absolve them of liability under U.S. law? So far, yes.

Much like military reservists, sayanim are activated when needed to support an operation. By agreeing to be available to help Israel, they provide an on-call undercover corps and force-multiplier that can be deployed on short notice.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july ... ves-jg.php
Sayanim play a role akin to military reservists who can be activated on short notice to support Israeli operations. These helpers are shielded from criminal culpability by being told only enough to perform their narrow role. Because recruiters ensure these volunteers are kept ignorant of the broader goals of an operation, they could easily pass a polygraph test. Their narrow intent: to respond promptly to requests to assist Israel.

That assistance could be logistics, medical care or intelligence gathering. Sayanim routinely staff the “in between” positions in political offices. Morris Amitay, a former executive director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), described the strategic role played by sayanim in U.S. policy-making:

There are a lot of guys at the working level up here [on Capitol Hill]…who happen to be Jewish, who are willing…to look at certain issues in terms of their Jewishness…These are all guys who are in a position to make the decision in those areas for those senators…You can get an awful lot done just at the staff level.

Author Victor Ostrovsky, formerly a katsa, conceded in 1990 that the Mossad had 7,000 sayanim in London alone. What this vast volunteer corps is not told is that an operation may endanger not only Israel but also the broader Jewish community when Tel Aviv is linked to extremism, terrorism, extortion, organized crime, espionage and treason. Ostrovsky explains in By Way of Deception:

…the Mossad does not seem to care how devastating it could be to the status of the Jewish people in the Diaspora if it was known. The answer you get if you ask is: “So what’s the worst that could happen to those Jews? They’d all come to Israel. Great!”
http://criminalstate.com/2009/08/how-is ... ain-sight/
Here the focus is Wolf Blitzer at Cable News Network who typifies how “the people in between” manipulate public opinion in plain sight and, to date, with legal impunity.

While working as a Washington correspondent for Jerusalem Post (1973-1990), Blitzer served as an editor of Near East Report, a publication founded by Isaiah Kenen, a registered foreign agent of Israel, who also founded the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. AIPAC coordinates a network of transnational political operatives known loosely as “the Israel lobby.” Neither AIPAC nor Blitzer has yet registered as a foreign agent in the U.S.

The son of Polish Ashkenazi émigrés, Blitzer first emerged on the media scene in 1989 with the publication of Territory of Lies, an account of Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard that The New York Times obligingly included in its list of “Notable Books of the Year.” Reviewer Robert Friedman described Blitzer’s sympathetic treatment of Pollard’s treason (the theft of more than one million classified documents) “a slick piece of damage control that would make his former employers at AIPAC (not to mention Israel’s Defense Ministry) proud.”
http://criminalstate.com/2009/08/israel ... n-between/

Of course, we have to be careful when taking information from intelligence agency whistle blowers.

It ties neatly in with the 200 deported Israeli spies in the wake of 9/11 though...

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:46 pm

That's interesting - though, if we are still talking about this as a potential definition for 'enemy sleepers' we should wonder why these people were helped out of the country. It takes insiders to do that - and powerful ones to recommend that kind of decision to, say, the President or someone. (Assuming stupidly that the President isn't essentially another puppet on many levels).

What could we call these people - 'sleepers' ? - then what do you call the people working for U.S.A. government who are 'traitors' ? Do 'sleepers' and 'traitors' work hand in hand? Or is it more like 'sleepers' and 'cynics' ?

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:02 am

I wonder if Jimmy Hoffa was a real person.

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