Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/08/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html wrote:
Two young children have emerged as heroes after warning others of a gunman on a rampage at their Sikh house of worship in suburban Milwaukee.

Abhay Singh, 11, and his sister, Amanat, 9, were sitting outside the gurdwara Sunday morning when the shooter, identified as Wade Michael Page, first opened fire on two people
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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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nonhocapito,

That is a great observation. The arm tattoo does not match. The first picture it extends to the wrist. The second picture its way short of the wrist. Another attention to detail missed by the perps.
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Re: OAK CREEK shootings

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Re: OAK CREEK shootings

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Maat wrote:
the first requirement upon registering is to introduce yourself appropriately before posting on any topics, here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=838.
Done.
Maat wrote:You also need to add links to the webpage source of all images you post (i.e. the site page, not the image url).
Yes, I did this, but I see there was one missing, that has been corrected.
Maat wrote: I would further remind you that we are not interested in "debating" what you may personally believe or see in any picture, per apophenia or Rorschach subjectivity, but only what can be demonstrated as evidence of image fakery and photo manipulation.
Ok well, I respect the rules of the forum, and appreciate the work you do as moderator. However, I don't believe that if you read all my contributions to this thread that it amounts to the level of subjectivity you suggest. Maybe if you take one or two statements out of context it could read this way. I see that you are a moderator, but I am surprised that you presume to speak for all members when you say "we are not interested in debating..."
Maat wrote: By "guessing" or speculating about "meanings" you have no direct knowledge or verifiable evidence of only reveals how much you have been infected and/or influenced by contrived religious systems, pervasive internet conspiracist memes and repetitive disinformation (e.g. "Zeitgeist" etc.).
Maybe there is a real difference in the way both you and brianv see things with your backgrounds in Law and specifically your background in contractual law and IP litigation. I think you may both have a strong affinity for the written word and the legalistic standards of proof and style of arguing. Perhaps you don't really understand that I am simply attempting to deconstruct the visual language of the (apparently) staged photographs. In law things can be proven to the standards of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "preponderance of evidence". In science nothing can be proven. Theories can only be dis-proven. We accept the most compact theory that is consistent with the observable evidence. We use this leading theory, and value it for its descriptive and predictive power, but only until a better one comes along. A good scientist keeps in mind that even the laws of physics are not "proven" in an absolute epistemological sense.

We are always constructing narratives in an effort to explain past events and predict future events. The narratives are based on all kinds of biases, incomplete information both direct and indirect knowledge. This is just how human cognition works. To say "The perps staged this photo" is a narrative. To say "The Illuminati staged these photos to brainwash humanity" is a narrative as well. The difference is a matter of degree. To make the second statement, one must have more evidence, or simply make more assumptions. If you re-read my most recent post, I made a few edits to clarify some of my statements but still left in what I think are interesting suggestions and valid questions about the symbology used.

I try not to take the above statement suggesting I am "infected" as an insult, because I would like to contribute to this forum. I haven't come here to promote the ideas of Zeitgeist and am not interested in promoting the mythology of any religion, including Christianity. I am a free thinking individual. I am here for one thing, and one thing only; To get closer to the truth.
Maat wrote: As a probationary member here, presumptive attitudes and arguing with veteran members is obviously no way to gain acceptance or respect that must be earned.

If you look at the thread, brianv responded to my post with a sarcastic comment. Unfortunately sarcasm does not always come across very well in written form. In my attempt to clarify what he meant, he just began insulting me. Things devolved from there. Believe me, if this is the type of discussion I wanted, I would not come here. This is the standard of debate in 98% of the forums.

To suggest that I should respect, and not argue with members simply because they are veteran is absurd. I don't respect someone simply because one day in 2010 they decided to register for clues forum. I respect people who make a contribution and who also treat me with respect.
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Re: OAK CREEK shootings

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reichstag fireman wrote: I don't think you yourself believe what you're saying here. This is an attempt at an Icke-like derailment of the thread, into mythological fantasy.
The above statements you quoted end in question marks. They are questions, mostly. One statement that I made I have gone back and changed, because I see it has been misunderstood.

I see that your answer to the questions I have are "Its Irrelevant! It is a a dead end." Fine. You may be right, still I leave the questions out there to see what others think.

It is you now that is speculating when you suggest I am attempting to derail this thread. It is not true.
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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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Interview with the niece of the president of the temple,Simran Kaleka.

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This girl looks like a purp to me. Click the video link above and watch her shoulder shrugging, eyebrow raising. Then, 47 seconds in she says:

"I can't accept it. We cry, and...It's real. And it wont be real until we really see the body."

So when you really see the body it will be really real?

Later she seems prepped to answer the questions. I would suggest asking any 17 year old girl

1) How old is your uncle?
2) how long has he been at his current job?

Would she be able to answer off the top of her head like that? And she manages to slip in "We should be able to live ... in a unified world." I don't exactly get a warm fuzzy feeling from the reporter either, Susanna Song.

Allegedly, she found out the night before this interview that her uncle had died. When asked by the reporter: How is your family dealing with it? She responds:

My family is uh.. dealing with it to the best of their ability. Right now I think a lot of them are in denial (shrugs her shoulders).
Below is a picture of her taken the same day the interview was done. Does this look to you like a family mostly in denial?

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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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More on Simran Kaleka

I did some more research on this girl. Things look very sketchy. Here is a link to her Facebook page:

Simran Kalek (Facebook)

Now if you check out her FB profile she has 2300 friends. Guess what? Her beloved uncle is not on that list. Strange. If you check her brother' Facebook you find a post from July 24th of this year calling for an assault weapons ban.


Kanwardeep Kalek (Her brother's Facebook)
Satwant Kaleka (Her uncle's Facebook)

Her brother is interviewed too. Check the link below. He says "This isn't real. You know, I still have the memories...."

Video Link 1

Then once again in the same interview He says "It's not real at this point..."

Video Link 2
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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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Gimp ELA for the above "grieving" image.

Simran indeed!
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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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brianv wrote: Gimp ELA for the above "grieving" image.
Simran indeed!
How do you interpret that? Is the image a composite?
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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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gnosismoses wrote:
brianv wrote: Gimp ELA for the above "grieving" image.
Simran indeed!
How do you interpret that? Is the image a composite?
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1035

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Headline Wisconsin Community Reels After Gunman Kills Six At Sikh Temple
Caption-Abstract OAK CREEK - AUGUST 6: People console each other at the command center near the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin where yesterday a gunman fired upon people at service August, 6, 2012 Oak Creek, Wisconsin. At least six people were killed when a shooter opened fire on congregants in the Milwaukee suburb. The shooter who was later shot dead by a police officer. (Photo by Darren Hauck/Getty Images) ORG XMIT: 149967350
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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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gnosismoses wrote:
brianv wrote: Gimp ELA for the above "grieving" image.
Simran indeed!
How do you interpret that? Is the image a composite?
Someone has done a damn good job of making sure there's (almost) nothing left to interpret (using ELA).

By normalising (i.e. reducing) the JPEG compression levels across an image, the evidence of composition is irreversibly concealed. It looks like that has been done here.

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear".. to recycle the mantra of Anthony Charles Lynton Blair..


EDIT: 98 typos later!
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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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er... can someone else please review this post of mine from yesterday (and the one preceding it)? :P It was quickly buried in the previous page. It also have some fotoforensic and a number of diverse clues. And I think Wade Page should be investigated more if possible...
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Re: OAK CREEK shootings

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nonhocapito wrote: Even more interesting: I could find only one page on the whole internet supposedly dating to before the tragedy and mentioning this important member of the Sikh community in Milwaukee.

Even though the page seem to have no date, according to google it is dated on September 11th 2011, of all days :P

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Screenshot from the google search indicating that the date of the article mentioning Kaleka is supposedly dated 11 September 2011
More evidence that Google is very much "in on the game" of psyops and mass media frauds. The search engine giant facilitated the WikiLeaks psyop by inserting fake entries about "Assange" into its usenet archives. As with the Oak Tree Psyop, this created an historic backdrop, "proving" that a psyop player existed prior to the unfolding of the narrative.
nonhocapito wrote:
The meeting was requested by the President of the Sikh Temple, Satwant Singh Kaleka, after the July 6 story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about the Riverwest riots on the 4th of July, which included the looting of at least one Sikh-owned business. Singh Kaleka wished to inform DA Chisholm and Rep. Zepnick of increasing occurrences of similar crimes against their businesses and workers, including robbery and vandalism.
From: Local Sikh Leaders Say Hate Crimes on Rise


Funny how this single page had to be on the same exact subject (hate crimes) that would bring up this name into the news months later as tragic victim/hero of another senseless massacre. Talk about scripting...
Amy Goodman, the Chomskyite phony leftist, is listed as a paid scribbler for Spanish Journal (founded 1979). Nuff said then about that organ! The holding company of the publication is SPANISH JOURNAL INC of 152 W WISCONSIN AVE, MILWAUKEE, WI 53203-2508. President/owner is a Ms Rhonda Welch, a long-standing Republican Party donor. Other load officers of the company include Steed Welch and Lylian Dejesus.
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Re: Oak Tree Sikh Temple shooting, August 5th 2012

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nonhocapito wrote:Wade Michael Page, alleged shooter

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From http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... ied/55429/

This other fake identity, just like with James Eagan Holmes and his spooky father, is perfectly designed to fuel conspiracy theories. Military background, psychological operation specialist, white supremacist. All conspiracy websites and boards can rave about this guy being mind controlled and directed by the military, as long as the basic assumption that the events he caused are real is accepted.

See wickedpedia for a summary of all the bullshit planted into this story by the propaganda so far: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Wisco ... erpetrator

I particularly enjoyed the fact that this guy's mother family name is supposedly "Lynn", like... well, David Angell's wife.
Lynn said: "He was such a precious little boy, that's all I can say, he was a very fun-loving, typical little boy. He was just a very soft spoken, gentle young man."
From http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... e-gurdwara
Fotoforensics so DOES NOT like this picture:

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From http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... 61dd.32907

(nor it does like this one, for that matter: http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... dd88.74085)

According to this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml the ADL (Anti Defamation League) had been tracking Page since 2000. So we can all be reassured of the usefulness and importance of this fascist organization. :lol:

According to the caption to this utterly photoshopped picture (notice the necks and heads):

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From http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml

Wade Page is the one pictured to the right. Please notice the tattoos. Now compare to this other picture, from the same source:

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Are the tattoos on his left arm, hand or wrist really the same? I mean, they are similar, but it seems to me that during the photoshopping the proportions got a little bit messed up... :P

This other article I find interesting, since it throws a few names around from Page's family, as if to convince us of the truthfulness of his background. Among them a birth mother who died in 1985 and whose name is "Beverly Van Buskirk". It can be fun to look up this uncommon name on google, and find out it belongs to a lady who died in 2012 at 95 years old...

And we are also informed that "so far, no hate-filled manifesto has emerged, nor any angry blog or ranting Facebook entries." Yeah, that part of the script doesn't really work, as the Breivik affair teaches.
Yes, Nonho, this supposed Page 'shooter' is looking just as cartoonish and unreal as its predecessors.

The name of the “birth mother”, “Beverly Van Buskirk” struck me as alphabetically reminiscent of Anders Behring Breivik — like a 'matrix' of these latest psycho 'shooter' psyops?

The tattoo does appear to be 'off', although the arm is turned making it difficult to compare.
I've lightened and cropped for detail:

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Completely filled-in here:
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@ http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/08/ ... 344324600/Wade M. Page as the leader of a white-power rock band, End Apathy. @ http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/us/ar ... .html?_r=1

More photos here: http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/20 ... apathy.php
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Re: OAK CREEK shootings

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gnosismoses wrote:Maybe there is a real difference in the way both you and brianv see things with your backgrounds in Law and specifically your background in contractual law and IP litigation.
I don't remember Brianv providing that info. What's up with this kind of presumptuous posting, which sounds like you're trying to back them into a corner, and make them justify to you their attitudes and posts?
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