The ROME "RIOTS" - Oct 15, 2011

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The ROME "RIOTS" - Oct 15, 2011

Unread post by nonhocapito » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:24 pm

Sorry just a quick post about the obviously staged riots that are going on in Rome right now.

A direct tv commentary can be seen here: http://videochat.corriere.it/index_H2401.shtml
Pictures here: http://www.corriere.it/gallery/cronache ... 7.shtml#55

Once again, the "Black Blok" strategy serves the purpose to make the authentic protests completely ineffectual. We'll see about the fakery (if any), too...

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More videos:
http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/indigna ... ref=HREA-1
And pictures:
http://www.repubblica.it/politica/2011/ ... e-23275067

It is remarkable how most of the scenes in picture resemble so closely the London riots...

According to corriere.it: tens of wounded; to repubblica: 70 wounded.

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Placing a molotov cocktail on a police truck tire. Where is the police? From http://www.repubblica.it/politica/2011/ ... ref=HREA-1

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by pov603 » Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:38 pm

So, an Italian publication is showing a picture the riots in Rome where someone has spray painted a Police van with 'ACAB*'?
I find that amazing...or staged...

*All Coppers Are Bastards

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by brianv » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:17 pm

"Placing a molotov coktail..." lmao :lol: :lol:

One launches a molotov coktail, or one hurls a molotov coktail, one certainly does not place a molotov coktail!

ACAB WTF?

I'm sure the significance of Norway->Italy hasn't escaped Simon!!

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by simonshack » Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:09 pm

i WAS THERE. Just too tired now to tell the tale - sorry folks. but it's A MAJOR FAKERY event once again. And this time I was there, FFS.

I spent a totally peaceful day, Walking amidst a crowd of peaceful people. That's all I can tell you about my day in Rome.

My girlfriend who stayed at home (for her own reasons) was watching TV and was VERY worried about me, since the LIVE TV images were showing her lots of violent street scenes. So she called me. I told her I was perfectly OK and wondered what the heck she was talking about!

When i got home...I watched the proposed TV news image montage of the day: TOTAL MAYHEM !

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by nonhocapito » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:24 pm

Simon please do give us more details on your experience if you have them. And some pictures, if you or your friends have some.

I am particularly interested in this alleged black blok military formation that took place during the marches (although the photos only show them and never them in the middle of the actual peaceful demonstration):

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From http://www.repubblica.it/politica/2011/ ... ref=HREA-1

I will note first and foremost the trademark "Soros" orange color, used in all the phony grassroots protests that took place in Ukraine, north Africa etc. This color has no meaning in a true italian political grassroots scenario, where other colors such as red, green and white are normally used. No organization that I know of has orange as trademark color.

Also, the banner reads: "We don't ask for the future; we take the present". How appropriate! It perfectly defines an operation that only has the purpose to transform in the public eyes the legitimate and peaceful protests of the citizens into something unacceptable and utterly emetic. The final purpose: the citizens better stay home, watch TV, and trust the government. Protesting gets you into trouble. Yeah I don't see any future there all right. <_<

Finally the sad/pathetic/ridiculous video linked below shows someone destroying a porcelain statuette of a Madonna (a commom item to be found in "poor" religious contexts, and certainly not a symbol of the oppressive power of the church ), taken from some little chapel. But where? No details are given...

http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/indigna ... pagefrom=1

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Unread post by nonhocapito » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:45 pm

More on the bogus story of the little broken Madonna statuette in case you were interested.

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Two or three cars allegedly burning few feet away. Kind of a bigger damage, if you think about it, but the story does not mention the cars. And BTW: Why one of the cars has the lights on? From http://www.corriere.it/gallery/cronache ... 87.shtml#1

According to this article on corriere.it the statue comes from a little chapel next to the church of Madonna di Lourdes, in via Labicana. Here it is on google maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41 ... 18&vpsrc=0

The corriere.it article goes on telling us how in the church there were only a few priests when a couple of masked kids got in and destroyed everything and took the statue. Sure the account can be true, but I kind of smell a rat. Maybe they wanted to make sure that the catholic Church appeared as a "victim" of the insane violence? Nothing better then than choosing such a humble target, and have a random cretin get in and do the deed (if it even happened in reality). Please remember the pictures of the church stained with blood in Alexandria.


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...comparing video and pictures, the broken statuette episode appears to have happened here (chapel entrance where woman with baby is):

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From http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41 ... 5,,0,19.53

The video shows the statuette being broken right outside the chapel entrance. And yet the pictures on corriere.it seem to represent a slightly different street, with no yellow markings on the ground:
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From http://www.corriere.it/gallery/cronache ... 87.shtml#4

A similar discrepancy was visible in the London riots pictures, and could be explained away with the lines having been painted in the meantime. But in this case, we should assume that the yellow lines have been removed in the meantime. There's room for doubt... :P

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by nonhocapito » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:57 pm

Something else of relevance to note about these "black blok" fellows. The Vendetta masks.

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An headless arm seem to be coming out of the smoke. Play cards that nobody threw are flying. From http://roma.corriere.it/gallery/roma/10 ... 5a87.shtml

As everybody knows, the vendetta masks are trademark of "Anonymous" and the so called hacker movement. Another fitting clue, I believe, that indicates the manipulative and artificial nature of such movements, that borrow elements one from the other to lend each other credibility. "V like Vendetta" is an american, Hollywood movie. To the point that whenever you buy one of those masks, you give money to Warner Bros. Nothing more inexplicable and moronic, then, to adopt such an element if you belong to an anti-imperialistic, anti-global, anti-capitalistic movement. But there you have it... I know that the guys back in Hollywood laugh their assess off when they see this.

And then there is something else to note: there was a time when "disobedience" meant that you would do something illegal, for demonstrative reasons, and then you would also take responsibility for it, to the point of ending up in jail. Ending up in jail was directly part of your protests and a crucial part of them: you were showing integrity and reason, not so the state that would jail you for it. This happened to those who protested army draft, prohibition laws, people rights etc etc.

But it is not so with this disgusting "Anonymous". Nobody wants to take the consequences, nobody wants to carry the deed. Nobody wants to take responsibility. To me, the rule is now perfectly simple: if you need to wear a mask to accomplish something illegal, I'm not on your side.

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by nonhocapito » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:18 pm

The assault at the carabinieri van (with the protester writing "ACAB", All Coppers Are Bastards, as pov603 well pointed out. I guess the italian equivalent, "TIPSB", wasn't fancy enough):
http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/indigna ... pagefrom=1

The carabinieri policeman escaping (slowed down video):
http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/indigna ... pagefrom=1

A Police van almost runs over a protester:
http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/indigna ... pagefrom=2

The last video is important in that it is set as a reminder of a famous, well documented episode that happened back in the 70s, when in Milan protester Giannino Zibecchi was run over by a police van during a demonstration, and this famous picture was taken:

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The brain of Zibecchi on the asphalt. From http://www.sciroccorosso.org/coll11.htm

Nowadays, things are "under control". Right after the riots, Minister for Internal Affairs Maroni declared: "we averted the dead."

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A mass of further videos are available from youreporter.it. http://www.youreporter.it/video_Scontri ... n_6_minuti
Please do watch and keep your eyes peeled for video manipulation. Although even without it, absurdity and demented behavior are visible all around.
I would entitle this one "someone else is going to clean": http://www.youreporter.it/video_Black_b ... cassonetti :huh:

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by simonshack » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:36 pm

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MY SURREAL OCTOBER 15 IN ROME

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(I snapped - too few - pictures of the day with my friend Fabio's old Handycam, which makes rather crappy stills. My own little Olympus ran out of batteries and I could find no open shops selling them. I wasn't too keen to snap pics anyway, as I was helping Fabio handing out leaflets for his website. Here are a few just to give you a feeling of the peaceful nature of the day...)


So yesterday I went down to Rome with my friend Fabio who, with some friends (mostly economy students) has recently launched this website: http://www.monetaproprieta.it/site/. Fabio had made a cool sign with a couple of quotes by Auriti and Modigliani (two of Italy's foremost, veteran seigneurage experts). We took the underground to the Repubblica square, where the march was scheduled to start. There, we met up with Domenico and Silvia, two common friends of ours. It was a sunny, cloudless day and we marched in a massive, joyous and singing crowd along the intinerary which went from la Repubblica square to the San Giovanni square - where all the day's speeches were supposed to be held. San Giovanni square is traditionally the place where all Rome's protest marches end (and where huge, free rock concerts are held on May1, the Workers Day).

To make a long story short, we had a jolly good time (while handing out leaflets for the "monetaproprietà" website), it was a totally peaceful march, old grandmothers waving from their balconies, brass bands and much music playing - all in all a superbly calm and happy atmosphere during the entire walk (which lasted from 2pm to about 5:30pm). I need to make it perfectly clear that we did not see:

- ONE SINGLE burning car
- ONE SINGLE act of violence
- ONE SINGLE broken glass/window - or much less destroyed banks
- ANY hordes of 'Black Blocs' - but for a few kids (15/20) with covered faces which were roundly booed by the crowd as they passed by.

Are you getting the picture? I SAW NO ACTS OF VIOLENCE - AT ALL - IN OVER 3 and 1/2 HOURS, WALKING ALONG THE ITINERARY WHICH WENT STRAIGHT TO SAN GIOVANNI. I SAW LOTS OF IDLE POLICE FORCES - BUT NO ACTS OF VIOLENCE.

As we got near the San Giovanni square, however, this is the scene we encountered:
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So basically, the access to the San Giovanni square was blocked (by countless police vehicles) - and that's where our day ended. We just had to go home. Of course, we hanged around in that street for a while and tried to get into San Giovanni - but to no avail. Some rather odd individuals were walking around telling everyone that there had been terrible fights in San Giovanni square and that we had better abandon any idea of trying to enter the square..."for our own safety". So, like good and sensible citizens that we are, this is what we eventually did: we went home. Earlier, my girlfriend had called my on my cellphone advising me to do the same - since she was watching TV and had seen all sorts of horrifying mayhem (more about that later - my girlfriend has some true gems to tell regarding what TV broadcasted LIVE...)

This is just about all I have to say about my personal experience in Rome, on October 15 2011. <_<

But I have been looking at the absurd imagery that the media has released. Stay tuned.

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by lux » Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:00 pm

nonhocapito wrote:Something else of relevance to note about these "black blok" fellows. The Vendetta masks.

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An headless arm seem to be coming out of the smoke. Play cards that nobody threw are flying. From http://roma.corriere.it/gallery/roma/10 ... 5a87.shtml

As everybody knows, the vendetta masks are trademark of "Anonymous" and the so called hacker movement. Another fitting clue, I believe, that indicates the manipulative and artificial nature of such movements, that borrow elements one from the other to lend each other credibility. "V like Vendetta" is an american, Hollywood movie. To the point that whenever you buy one of those masks, you give money to Warner Bros. Nothing more inexplicable and moronic, then, to adopt such an element if you belong to an anti-imperialistic, anti-global, anti-capitalistic movement. But there you have it... I know that the guys back in Hollywood laugh their assess off when they see this.

And then there is something else to note: there was a time when "disobedience" meant that you would do something illegal, for demonstrative reasons, and then you would also take responsibility for it, to the point of ending up in jail. Ending up in jail was directly part of your protests and a crucial part of them: you were showing integrity and reason, not so the state that would jail you for it. This happened to those who protested army draft, prohibition laws, people rights etc etc.

But it is not so with this disgusting "Anonymous". Nobody wants to take the consequences, nobody wants to carry the deed. Nobody wants to take responsibility. To me, the rule is now perfectly simple: if you need to wear a mask to accomplish something illegal, I'm not on your side.
That mask is the intellectual property of WB yet "Anonymous" uses it openly as their "logo" with no legal action taken by WB against them. This is unheard of. They are committing illegal acts and openly using WB's art as a symbol of their group yet WB does nothing about it and no one seems to notice this. Normally the Hollywood studios ferociously defend their intellectual property and go after anyone who uses their copyrights without permission with a vengeance.

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by nonhocapito » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:25 am

simonshack wrote:So basically, the access to the San Giovanni square was blocked (by countless police vehicles) - and that's where our day ended. We just had to go home. Of course, we hanged around in that street for a while and tried to get into San Giovanni - but to no avail. Some rather odd individuals were walking around telling everyone that there had been terrible fights in San Giovanni square and that we had better abandon any idea of trying to enter the square..."for our own safety". So, like good and sensible citizens that we are, this is what we eventually did: we went home.
Well it appears clear that beyond that point a little theater was going on for the benefit of journalists. Judging from the videos, most of the action happened in fact in and around Piazza San Giovanni (via Merulana, via Labicana...) .

The battle of Piazza San Giovanni:
http://www.youreporter.it/video_La_batt ... n_Giovanni
A multitude of anti-riot trucks and policemen in riot gear, idling about incapable of stopping a bunch of barely visible kids with pavement stones and molotov cocktails. The disgusting part of this whole strategy, is how you are expected to cheer for the banks the little churches or the manpower agencies that had their shops destroyed, when they represent the same double-faced power that is capable of staging things like these and profiting from them; or cheer for the police, because compared to the black blok it should represent sanity and order -- when it is the police itself that is putting you on. :angry:

Berlusconi, as always in such cases, is remaining awfully silent, so that his voice will be more heard and respected (if any leftovers of respect are to be found for the buffoon) tomorrow in the void of power and control that is being felt today in Italy (this is a classic B. strategy and unfortunately one that has worked in the past). There is no doubt that he and his peon Maroni have to be held accountable for having allowed and probably requested these staged events (just like they did in 2001 in Genova, when demonstrator Carlo Giuliani, so we are told, died: and many times since then) - in order to quell and hijack the civil protest of a nation impatient for change. This unless we are not rather in the presence of foreign forces at work to bring destabilization in the country.

It will be interesting, Simon, if anyone manages to snap a few pictures of the same streets pictured tomorrow or in the next days, to see if the damage is actually the one suggested by the videos, at least in those streets.

p.s. For a bit of history, see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1451184.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monito ... 450093.stm

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Re: The Rome Riots

Unread post by nonhocapito » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:42 am

lux wrote:
nonhocapito wrote:Image
An headless arm seem to be coming out of the smoke. Play cards that nobody threw are flying. From http://roma.corriere.it/gallery/roma/10 ... 5a87.shtml
That mask is the intellectual property of WB yet "Anonymous" uses it openly as their "logo" with no legal action taken by WB against them. This is unheard of. They are committing illegal acts and openly using WB's art as a symbol of their group yet WB does nothing about it and no one seems to notice this. Normally the Hollywood studios ferociously defend their intellectual property and go after anyone who uses their copyrights without permission with a vengeance.
Yes and besides the movie itself makes for a lousy symbol of revolution and change, considering everything revolves around one individual, in a classic hollywoodian oppressive idea of rebellion: just like in "the matrix", liberation from the system comes through submitting to a new hero, a savior we all have to wait for (puke).

But I insist that the picture above is very weird. The play cards are not thrown by the girl, who rather seem to be pointing at something. So who threw them? And what are they supposed to represent? And the arm that floats in the smoke at the center of the picture really seem to belong to a headless body. How does that work out?

Here's a bit of ELA just for the kicks:
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From http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/9362dba/

I suspected, in fact, that the masks were photoshopped on... :rolleyes:

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Re: The Rome Riots - Oct 15, 2011

Unread post by upstream » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:10 am


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVg16EUTDhc


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo0wMR-nc6Y
"Black Bloc Smashing/Destroying/Burning/Rioting/Attacking Everything In Sight while REAL protesters film the latest Global Elite Psy-Op.
It should be VERY obvious to everyone at this point, there is a pattern here. Massive crowds of PEACEFUL protesters show up to voice their opinions and concerns, and LIKE CLOCKWORK the Black Bloc comes out of nowhere and FU$%S UP THE WHOLE PROGRAM, EVERY TIME. This is a classic, PREDICTABLE tactic used time and again. And every time it happens the black Bloc gets away while the peaceful crowds are surrounded, harassed, arrested and worse. It is used to steer the public away from what LEGITIMATE protesters are out there screaming about, and is also used as a way to condition the public into expecting harsher police responses and HUGE security clampdowns (1 BILLION DOLLARS) every time there is a protest organized. The Black bloc is a tool of the Global Elite and there is plenty of proof if you are willing to look for it. REAL PROTESTERS DON'T WEAR MASKS, except gas masks, and by the time those are necessary it's obvious who is on what side! I can guarantee that just like all the past G20 protests, it will come out that the Police (undercover, in uniform, and elements of the Black Bloc), were the ones burning and smashing things, so they have their excuse to rush in on the law abiding protesters! GUARANTEED"

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Re: The Rome Riots - Oct 15, 2011

Unread post by warriorhun » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:42 am

Dear nonhocapito,

you say:
But it is not so with this disgusting "Anonymous". Nobody wants to take the consequences, nobody wants to carry the deed. Nobody wants to take responsibility. To me, the rule is now perfectly simple: if you need to wear a mask to accomplish something illegal, I'm not on your side.
I, as a "veteran" of the Budapest 2006 riots :D have to disagree with you. I was rioting back then with a covered face as all the clever ones. Why?
Because there were cameras around and they could identify you from pictures. Because people were hunted down and thrown into jail because of their faces appeared in pictures.
It is OK that if they catch you, you can nothing to do except to accept the fall, but why helping them?
That the first law the Government installed after was that you are not allowed to cover your face on political rallies told me all I needed to know.
Besides, becoming a Martyr may sound the next best thing to a blowjob if you are Shia Muslim, but somehow I can not see how getting beaten to shit by primitive cops and then getting ass-raped by cannibal Gypsy criminals in a prison cell will further your cause...

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Re: The Rome Riots - Oct 15, 2011

Unread post by warriorhun » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:47 am

Dear upstream,

you say:
REAL PROTESTERS DON'T WEAR MASKS, except gas masks, and by the time those are necessary it's obvious who is on what side! I can guarantee that just like all the past G20 protests, it will come out that the Police (undercover, in uniform, and elements of the Black Bloc), were the ones burning and smashing things, so they have their excuse to rush in on the law abiding protesters! GUARANTEED"
I have to disagree. I noticed the undercover police activity in 2006 Budapest riots, but still: tell me, when was it ever that a law-abiding, peacefully protesting crowd achieved anything except clapping each other on the back how peaceful and law-abiding they were?
In 2006, our Prime Minister said: "Will there be (peaceful sic!) protests? There will be. They will get bored and go home."
Now, rioting got the attention of the bastards. Achieved nothing at the moment, achieved something on the long run. The peaceful protests achieved fuck all.
Ever wondered why the Media always gratulates the peaceful protests and scorns on rioting? They want you to protest peacefully... You will just get bored and go home!
This is what you should do instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaZm-AjK--8 Siege of the Hungarian Television 2006 FUCK YEAH! :D

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