Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

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Re: Italy might be under attack, somewhat

Postby reel.deal on Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:39 am

Berlusconi Best Moments - The Top 10


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0VkqDGZsz4

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Re: Italy might be under attack, somewhat

Postby nonhocapito on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:05 pm

meanwhile, in Italy...

:D :lol: :P . . . <_< --< stop laughing you idiots! this is your country he's talking about!

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Re: Italy might be under attack, somewhat

Postby simonshack on Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:40 pm

nonhocapito wrote:So what's new?
(...)

Program of Mario Monti, enabled by the disastrous deficit left by the crook that preceded him, will be to strangle the people ever more in a mess of debts and slave labor. Yay. <_<


Ugh... I'm afraid you were right on the money there, Nonho !

Tomorrow at 11 o'clock Mario Monti takes office. He announced today:

"Blood no, tears no, but maybe sacrifices," the prime ministerial nominee told reporters when asked what Italians should expect(...)"


Mario Monti warns Italians face 'sacrifices'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... fices.html
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I'm glad that, at least, he rules out that blood and tears are part of his plan to 'restore' this messed-up country. <_<

For Italian readers:
"Monti: "Le parti sociali disponibili a sacrifici concreti per bene comune"" http://www.repubblica.it/politica/2011/ ... ref=HREA-1
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Re: Italy might be under attack, somewhat

Postby hoi.polloi on Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:46 am

Sacrifices?! He should talk. Didn't Italians just sacrifice almost two decades to Berlusconi's buffoonery? And now they paint the insulting picture that the "real" sacrificing has to begin now? What does that mean - clones of Berlusconi in every office?

When these "rulers" blame one of them for being bad, they all act like they're innocent by comparison! It's just a gang. It's mafia. These charades are embarrassing and I only lived in Italy for a year sum total! It's really as bad as America. I am sorry you guys have learned too much from the good ol USofA.
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Re: Italy might be under attack, somewhat

Postby nonhocapito on Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:07 pm

Berlusconi leaves the Prime Minister offices.

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Re: Italy might be under attack, somewhat

Postby pov603 on Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:30 pm

nonhocapito wrote:Berlusconi leaves the Prime Minister offices.

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OMG! No wonder they didn't show pictures of ABB this week, they're using the same avatar for Burlesque-oni!
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Re: Italy might be under attack, somewhat

Postby nonhocapito on Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:16 am

Monti's experiments

It is becoming more and more clear that Monti came to Italy not just or as much to "save" the nation and the EU, as to put in action certain experiments relative to the control of the fluxes of money, while bringing forward the transformations necessary to erode the last appearances of welfare.

Since december 9th of this year, in fact, every transaction above 999 euros in Italy must be traceable.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15586489,00.html
This means that, if you want to buy something for 1000 euros or more, you have to give your name and your documents, and the purchase will be registered -- in other words it should become visible to the fiscal system that it was you who spent that money.

This basically works to make it not worth it to use cash against credit cards or bank transactions.
Is the state going to benefit from it? Hardly, because those who need to evade and launder money will always find a way, with the help of sellers who have all the interest to facilitate transactions, rather than making them more difficult: but it greatly benefits the banks that will see an increase in the use of credit, in a country that is probably deemed still too attached to cash.

It is easy to foretell, as it has been already foretold by anyone capable of using his brain, that consequently to Monti's new laws thousand of small companies in Italy will close, strangled by added taxes and bureaucracy. But this is not important to the technocrats! The labor will fall back, diminished in value, to the larger groups. Others will desperately get into more debts. It is all fine.

I have the impression that in the following months Monti will be using Italy as an experimental ground to test even more the dystopian invasiveness of banks in everyday life, according to the ambitions of the globalists he is working for.
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Re: Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

Postby nonhocapito on Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:29 am

I found this sentence recently spoken by an italian member of the government (Antonio Catricalà) made fun on the italian internets:

It is not fair to say that we are detached from the citizens. All of us [members of the government] have a past as citizens.

Non è vero che siamo lontani dai cittadini. Tutti noi [membri del governo, ndPh.] abbiamo un passato da cittadini.

http://phastidio.net/2012/03/28/quanto-e-umano-lei/


Funny, no? But also a sign of the changed atmosphere in the government since Monti has come to office. Now that we are past Berlusconi's revolting demagogic deceiving seduction of the people remains only the naked, visible truth that these people consider themselves to belong to a different social bind than the rest of us. Their laws, their rules, their values are those of the financial groups and banks they work for: they have nothing to do with national affiliation and commitment to their country. Monti is in fact working hard to bring Italy up to speed with... with what exactly? With the lack of rules of the former nations of Europe that is masked behind the flooding of rules the European Union represents.

I don't think there's really any "union" there: only a vast territory without any leftovers of national self-preservation, which is ideal for the infighting and taking over of resources that goes on constantly behind the screens of the fake news.

Upbeat Monti courts investors as unions prepare for battle over labour law reforms
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 45916.html

Gaddafi family assets worth more than €1bn seized in Italy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... ized-italy
(more about this in the dedicated thread: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=791&p=2367441#p2367441)

Then there is this:
Monti: Germany, France to blame
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.as ... c=business

...which reminds me to notice how the recent shooting in Toulouse, France (discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1259) happened on Monti's 69th birthday, March 19 2012.
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Re: Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

Postby nonhocapito on Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:50 am

An article on dagospia.com today seems to be in line with my recent bleak thoughts about what's happening in Italy.
After a few politicians "disturbed" Monti in his work voicing protests against the labor reform, immediately the next day the so called "spread" between italian and german treasure bonds started to increase again (something that impoverishes the state a great deal, apparently), immediately quelling every protest or desire to oppose Monti in what he does. What a coincidence!

But why is this labor reform so necessary? Dagospia:

The so called labor reform that is being achieved also using the spread gap will not help the few italian companies that in the last years have already laid off and outsourced all that was possible. It will help the foreign groups to which Monti wants to give pieces of the "Italian system". Those foreign groups will come only if they have free hand and low prices with the work force.

La cosiddetta riforma del lavoro che si tenta di portare a casa anche a colpi di spread non servirà alle poche grandi imprese italiane, che negli anni scorsi hanno già licenziato, esternalizzato e delocalizzato tutto il possibile. Servirà ai gruppi stranieri ai quali Rigor Montis vuole piazzare pezzi di "sistema Italia", i quali verranno a "risanare" solo se avranno prezzi di saldo e mano libera con il personale. From http://www.dagospia.com/rubrica-2/media ... -37304.htm
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Re: Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

Postby fbenario on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:23 pm

Berlusconi parties a bit vanilla

THE parties held by penis-wielding former premier Silvio Berlusconi have shocked Italy with their lack of imagination.

As Berlusconi stands trial for breaking up to three of Italy's 14 laws, young women have revealed details which have left middle-aged millionaires looking for decadence pointers deeply disappointed.

Wayne Hayes, a bloated and spiritually-empty property magnate, from Carlisle said “I’ve been reading the transcripts to look for new things to do with livestock or lemon curd to cause some flicker of sensation in the dead coals of my soul.

“But stripper nuns, hookers and drugs are the kind of things you’d find at your average regional sales conference at the start of your career, not from somebody running the country.”

Sexual deviancy has been written into the Italian constitution since the emperor Claudius followed Caligula’s four year stint of having sex with everything in Rome, including random concepts such as wistfulness and regret, with a period of unheard-of abstinence.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/inte ... 204175133/
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Re: Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

Postby simonshack on Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:54 am

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For our Italian readers - an article from the excellent blog "Bye Bye Uncle Sam":


"Morgan Stanley e la Repubblica Italiana"


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http://byebyeunclesam.wordpress.com/201 ... -italiana/
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Re: Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

Postby nonhocapito on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:04 pm

This will probably (and justly) mean nothing to the non-italian reader, anyway here it is. The already mentioned comedian turned blogger/politician/demagogue Beppe Grillo has made the news here in italy recently allegedly swimming across the Strait of Messina (3.2 Km in 1 hour and 17 minutes), imitating Mao Tsedong and Mussolini at the same time (whatever the relation between the ability to swim long distance and being right for office, that I fail to see).

Here are a couple of shots:

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From http://forum.tramedibeautiful.com/attua ... ssina.html

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From http://www.tuttosport.com/attualita/pol ... ta+Stretto

Enhanced with Adobe Photoshop much?

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From http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... f98e.60044

(If he really swam across the strait, why the need to photoshop out his weight? Isn't it even more remarkable that he made it while being overweight? On the other hand, if the event is fake, I see the reason why one would want to retouch.)

I can't say anything about the event itself being true or false. It was probably real, but there is just too little imagery, and of too bad quality. Which is strange, considering the multitude of journalists and TV operators shown in the few pictures available.

Here's a video of the arrival in Sicily, with the familiar pasty ultra-compressed look that we know well. Never managed to get that on my lousy 60 bucks camera. And this is from RAI News official channel.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVZCtm1D2Nk

Despite beppegrillo.it being one of the most read websites in Italy, even there there seems to be no decent picture to show for it. This screenshot comes from the Beppe Grillo's official website:

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From http://www.beppegrillo.it/2012/10/sbarco_in_sicil.html

Wasn't he allowed to take a qualified photographer and troupe along to document this feat, whose only reason to be after all was to create media attention? :wacko:

The event on google images: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch& ... ta+stretto
Videos on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_c ... di+messina
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Re: Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

Postby simonshack on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:27 am

nonhocapito wrote:
Here's a video of the arrival in Sicily, with the familiar pasty ultra-compressed look that we know well. Never managed to get that on my lousy 60 bucks camera. And this is from RAI News official channel.

Oh, no!!! :blink: :puke:
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Re: Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

Postby hoi.polloi on Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:45 am

Guys, it's very human. It's "big man". The "big man" is the guy who is popular and who holds some weight in the village but doesn't actually lead. It is different from a leader, apparently instinctually if you believe any of the racist but fascinating tautology of Guns, Germs and Steel. However, this instinct can be overridden in a simple formula that is played by the politicians-media collaboration over and over:

Newspaper heading: It's a Miracle! Big Man elected Leader!
"Hooray! Oh, hooray! The popular, quiet, underdog fellow is the leader! Huzzah! Hail our great culture for not electing the bad, bad power-hungry man but only the big popular man, whom everyone really loves."


Big man in politics is always the same as power-hungry psycho man, dressed up like popular big man to make it appear more genuine. It works every time, unless popular big man actually gains notoriety and/or scandal. The real "big man" of the society never gets elected. They remain comedians, or musicians, or artists, or radio pundits, or actors or something else. They are sort of treated as "prizes" of a culture that other cultures don't understand or even particularly like.

It occurs to me just now that that is probably what the political "race" is all about. It's not a "race" between candidates per se; it's a race against time -- a race to get someone horrible and personally deplorable elected before the true personality reveals itself and makes everyone hate and despise all the candidates equally. It's a race to appear as "misunderstood popular big man, thrown into the race beyond his control or his desire, just trying to make his people happy." It's an illusion - a story that we keep thinking is possible and believing in, even though the game has long since been rigged, the formula long since perfected. Obama, for instance, is not an exception. He is just a return to the formula that works to deceive us regularly.

If I could venture a guess about how to improve our society's honesty, we should probably revert to an old formula. Instead of playing with people's expectations for "big man" to get elected, we should rule that out completely. It should be forbidden. (As it is now, only explicitly instead of clandestinely). We should rather waver between two more realistic possibilities:

1. The rise of the benevolent leader/dictator/monarch
and
2. The fall of the leader/dictator/monarch to a popular election for the next one; rinse, repeat.

But the wealthy fraudsters hate dictators, because dictators preserve a culture from being penetrated by themselves.
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Re: Italy under attack / Monti's Italy

Postby nonhocapito on Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:35 pm

Just a brief note. Italy has its new president, Giorgio Napolitano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Napolitano, which is the same old one we already had. Appointed to serve seven years, he will probably serve one or two until the next elections.
But something went very wrong and very weird, as if in the whole republic there was not a trusted man to replace this 87 (!) years old guy. But this is too long a story to tell. Suffice it to say, Italy is headed towards another unpopular transition phase.
But something I just noted. Napolitano was Italy's 11th president. We are getting the 11th twice.
For the first time ever in the history of this country.
Well we all know the number 11 must be entirely coincidental and it is totally not a sign that the 11th was an especially delicate turn.
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