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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

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jumpy64 wrote:....put on Africans' cultural and linguistic "head dress" to understand the true depth of their languages, which sounds nice but it's impossible and ultimately useless. Because since we already have true Africans, why would we want to have fake ones too?
It is impossible and perfectly irrelevant for the majority (who also happen to be busy with more pressing matters than anthropology), but it is certainly not impossible, ontologically speaking. Potentially, we have the ability to "put on" a different ethos temporarily and have a direct perception of another philosophy, religion or cultural "economy". Incidentally, this is the best method to learn philosophy and, ultimately, develop your own understanding of things. Rather than depreciating your own cultural heritage, the experience brings its perennial elements into sharper focus. Nothing fake in that (I can come back to this method in another post, time permitting).

You are talking about a blackmail-driven collective surrendering to another culture, race or unnatural behavior. I have no problem acknowledging the lunacy of such a thing.

I am talking about the individual experience of being temporarily immersed in a "foreign" culture and the unique insights one can gain from this without becoming less "white" or Christian.
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Flabbergasted wrote:You are talking about a blackmail-driven collective surrendering to another culture, race or unnatural behavior. I have no problem acknowledging the lunacy of such a thing.
That's great, because this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Flabbergasted wrote:I am talking about the individual experience of being temporarily immersed in a "foreign" culture and the unique insights one can gain from this without becoming less "white" or Christian.
I'm totally in favor of such an individual experience, if someone chooses to make it. I agree it can be very enriching, while having also its limits and its dangers, of course.
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jumpy64 wrote:I’m back. :)
Have you ever considered a career in Academia jumpy? Your verbose & "philosophical" claptrap certainly would fit the mould.

If I may summarize this 'debate' "for the layman"...


(i) You made a claim that Africans don't have religions which follow the "Golden Rule"... your 'evidence' for that was one wonkypedia article. You apparently see no problem with that! Even so a basic perusal of wonkypedia will allow one to find African philosophy which clearly follows "The Golden Rule".

Oh my God.. shock, horror! Wonkypedia is inaccurate... you heard it here first folks!


(ii) You made a claim that Africans "lack empathy"... your 'evidence' for that turned out to be some bullshit from a, probably Jewish, liar. Evidence which you described as "an authoritative and well documented point of view based on much deeper and wider experience".

(iii) You made a claim that Africans lack "abstract concepts"... that turns out to be obvious bullshit so you've re-designated religions to be non-abstract because they're "real for the believer"! You remain silent on other Abstract concepts like art or music or love or fun. Do Africans love jumpy? Oh of course "they're real for the lovers/artists/musicians/players" & therefore are no longer abstract under the new definition of abstract... a definition which you appear to be the sole proponent of.

(iv) You've made a claim that Africans lack "Abstract words" in their languages & that therefore are incapable of "developing emotions" (?) based on "abstract concepts" such as respect or something. Your evidence for that turned out to be some Jewish liar*. However you have "more in depth" research you're willing to share. Good luck with that.



You end your response by discussing the problems of multiculturalism & whether or not the thread should be reopened to resume exploring them. However that has nothing to do with the disputed claim & your responses to it which led to the thread being locked. Why should we reopen a thread when it'll just be locked again the next time you make a bullshit claim?

The fact that you're still defending your nonsensical claims is quite astonishing to me.
And by the way, this ties in directly with the first part of your post, but as I said I'd like to develop this point on the "Open Conspiracy" thread. Unless, of course, my politically incorrect views will get me suspended or expelled from here before I will be able to do so.
Incredible jumpy... incredible.

You still don't even understand why you keep getting threads locked. It's not because you're "politically incorrect"!

For fucks sake jumpy you're on a forum which, for the most part, "denies" 3000 murders took place on "9/11". That's hardly a "politically correct" opinion to uphold!

You keep getting threads locked because you have repeatedly posted likely/proven disinfo & liars in a naive & uncritical manner. Why don't you re-read smj's post about William "big balls" Pierce? Now that's some fucking scepticism!


Either way I, for one, have had enough of this bullshit... read this here now jumpy & understand.

I will be thoroughly checking every single link & claim you make... if I find one, just one, that turns out to be bullshit then it will be the last link you will ever post on Cluesforum. I suggest your future posts are of a higher standard from now on.





* I spoke to an African recently & this is the Tshivenda phrase for "Coconut is halfway up the tree" which, according to jumpy's Jewish friend, Africans (or at least Nigerians anyhow) have no concept of...

Coconati i vhukati ha muri husi nntha


"vhukati" means "between"
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

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Critical Mass wrote:Have you ever considered a career in Academia jumpy? Your verbose & "philosophical" claptrap certainly would fit the mould. [...]

Either way I, for one, have had enough of this bullshit... read this here now jumpy & understand.

I will be thoroughly checking every single link & claim you make... if I find one, just one, that turns out to be bullshit then it will be the last link you will ever post on Cluesforum. I suggest your future posts are of a higher standard from now on.
Hi, CM, you're back too, I see... Also to your former, original self, it seems...

Well, you've acted honorably once, so why would you want to start bullying me now?

Anyway, I'll do my best - if allowed to do so - regardless of your threats, which I find highly inappropriate and disrespectful.

But since you seem to want to play tough, now I'll tell you something that so far I've avoided to say because I didn't want to attack you personally, out of a generic respect that you don't seem to deserve anymore, having attacked me personally one time too many, without even having conclusively demonstrated that I really pushed any disinfo.

So now you read this:

I have no problem with the fact that you are not a fan of what I post, but what I couldn't help noticing is that you never even debated me before getting your Administrator degree. And after getting that, you've started going after me big time, as you evidently didn't do before because you didn't have your precious badge.

That's why I have coined for you, not now as retaliation but since more than a month ago, the definition of "coward with a badge", because you've waited to debate me and eventually pick up a fight with me until I had an arm tied behind my back in relation to you, being a simple member. And moreover, you've started acting right away as if you were the owner of Cluesforum, as you're doing now with your swashbuckling threats.

And of course, you have the power of moving my posts around or worse, and I think it's more than probable that you'll abuse it at this point, only to demonstrate your cowardice even further.

Anyway, I'm through with comunicating with you at this level. I will try and simply ignore your hostile and truly oafish remarks from now on, until you'll apologize and start addressing me with respect.

Otherwise, I won't recognize your authority in any way. And if I have to be expelled for this, so be it. I think Simon will have to do it, though, if he agrees with you.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

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And now let me add something dispassionately, Critical Mass.

I think you have an unbalanced personality. You let your emotions, over which you have apparently no control, get in the way of an intellectual debate. You are, deep down, a bully. And not because you have attacked me. I would say this if you did the same with anybody else (and maybe you have and I just don't know about it).

Because I could understand your concern with somebody posting disinfo, inadvertently or otherwise (although, I repeat, you haven’t conclusively demonstrated that I have done so), but whoever was able to use his power responsibly would find more appropriate ways to manifest such legitimate concern than by threatening, personally offending and ultimately bullying other members, and with foul language to boot, something that Simon, who has more true power than anybody else here, usually avoids to do (and I’ve always avoided to do it too).

So, regardless of our personal dispute, I think you’re unfit as an administrator even of a condominium, not to mention a website that should be devoted to an honest and even tough but respectful debate.

Therefore, I don’t know if my vote counts for something – and probably it doesn’t, luckily for you – but I would have no doubts voting you unfit as administrator.

And this, I repeat, regardless of your animosity towards me personally.

Today it’s me. Tomorrow it could be anybody else who says something you don’t like.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

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jumpy64 wrote:Today it’s me. Tomorrow it could be anybody else who says something you don’t like.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


--Martin Niemöller


It's a slippery slope, Jumpy! :P
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So we're back to square one, are we?

Jumpy, here's the thing: in spite of your recently-stated respect for Critical Mass and yours truly, you seem to be utterly oblivious & insensitive to our well-founded criticism of your latest incoherent ramblings regarding Africa and Africans. You do not appear to be either willing or capable to appreciate our due critique of the same - and instead continue bringing to the table that imbecilic article by the pathetic "Gedaliah Braun" entity. You then keep reiterating that all you're interested in is The Truth. What truth, now again? Oh yeah - the truth about...
Jumpy wrote:For example, is it true that African languages are composed by a few hundreds or thousands of words that do not allow people who speak them to express empathy and the abstract thinking empathy is based on?
You then go on describing yourself as an 'empathic person' - and this, after having repeatedly proposed to discuss whether the entire African population is 'endemically empathy-deficient' - and generally ignorant of ... the "Golden Rule"! Well, Jumpy dear, I can't believe I actually have to break these 'news' for you - but here's straight from Wikipedia (which sometimes actually contains some true, verifiable facts) :
"Christianity is embraced by the majority of the population in most Southern African, Southeast African, and Central African states and others in some parts of Northeast and West Africa. The Coptic Christians make up a significant minority in Egypt. The World Book Encyclopedia has estimated that in 2002, Christians formed 40% of the continent's population, with Muslims forming 45%. In a relatively short space of time, Africa has gone from having a majority following one of its indigenous, traditional religions, to being predominantly a continent of Christians and Muslims. Since 2013, only in Togo have the majority of religious people been followers of a traditional African religion."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Africa
I say, good on you - valiant Togo people ! Way to go ! Resist, resist!

So there you are, Jumpy: you can be proud (if you're so inclined) of the extent of the systematic, utter annihilation of countless traditional African creeds / religions perpetrated by white Christian and brown Muslim missionaries over the latter centuries. A rogue, unspeakable, viciously arrogant 'demographic engineering' if there ever was one. Actually, you could describe it as a 'cultural holocaust' of an entire continent. Yet, here you are - airing your inane concerns about Africans' supposed 'lack of empathy'.

To be sure, here's the sort of 'factual debate' you are proposing to entertain on this forum:
Jumpy wrote:Because it seems demonstrable to me that, when left to their own culture and traditions, African people have continued living in a pretty primitive fashion, like they used to before coming into contact with the White man. But this too is open to a factual debate, of course.
Yah right: what would Africa be today without automobiles, televisions, newspapers and computers - or the jobs created to sustain the wholesale looting of their own natural resources (for the benefit of the western world)! You've gotta dread the thought! :rolleyes:

And here's Jumpy's view of the multicultural invasion (of white nations) :
Jumpy wrote:In short, I think the multicultural invasion is essentially an attack against not only the creators of Western civilization, but also people that, like Simon’s friends in Burkina Faso, have benefited from it.
See, here's why I called your ramblings 'incoherent', Jumpy: so according to you, my friends in Burkina Faso have actually BENEFITED from the French invasion of their country. In what ways, exactly? By bringing them our 'superior ethics and empathy and abstract thinking'? Hey, what if Burkina Faso had invaded / colonized France - teaching the frenchies their best crafts, such as their wonderful, traditional musical instruments? Wouldn't that have been more desirable? Besides, have African (or Arabic) countries EVER bombed Europe with F16 fighter jets? Are these bombings all fake too? ( FYI, no one on Cluesforum has ever claimed that NATO doesn't bomb Africa / and other 'third-world' nations from time to time. But of course, whites / jews do such things due to their 'superior empathy and abstract thinking', right? -_- ).


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Your back-and-forth 'judgment' of Critical Mass is frankly getting quite tiresome, Jumpy. Schizophrenic much? So, let's see: whenever CM writes things like "in defence of jumpy I will point out he raises some potentially valid points" - he gets this sort of response from you:
Jumpy wrote:I don't know if you care about this - I hope you do, though :) - but you've just gained my respect with this last post of yours. Coming to the defence of an apparently defeated "adversary", as you've just done when you could have kept going at me instead, is the most honorable thing to do, and I greatly appreciate your having done it, Sir.
Yet, whenever CM expresses quite pertinent thoughts and critiques (perfectly in line with my own) of your weirdest ideas and writings, you complain that he's launching "personal attacks" at you - and being disrespectful / abusive / swashbuckling / and a "coward with a badge"? Gimme a friggin' break, Jumpy - coz I truly need one at this point. If anything, you are the coward - for 'lashing out' your self-inflicted frustrations at CM rather than at yours truly. You're suspended for one month (for wasting our time and provoking senseless, time-consuming polemics) which will give the two of us ample time to meet face-to-face again. This time, over a nice cup of tea - and outside of this forum, the gist / essence (and yes, empathy!) of which you seem having trouble understanding.

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Edit to add:
Your last post addressed to Critical Mass only reinforces my feeling that you, Jumpy, may be 'unfit' - as in 'intellectually immature' - to post on this forum. And to make things very clear to all readers, this has nothing to do with Jumpy's valuable contributions in his first / original thread ( "Hiding in Plain Sight" ) which rightly denounces the JPM's (Jewish Power Maniacs) despicable machinations aimed at ruling this world for themselves - and destroying the precious ethnic diversities which make this planet such an interesting place to live on.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

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simonshack wrote:I say, good on you - valiant Togo people ! Way to go ! Resist, resist!
Why am I imagining a dystopian future of bored Togolese schoolchildren listening to their teary "Professors" lecturing them on the "unimaginable horrors" of "the Dreyfus affair"?


"Just another brick in the wall"

For liberty's sake Togo... continue to Resist!

Just imagine the pain of having to put up with that crap!
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What do the local police do when an anonymous man in a hoodie walks into a retail establishment, stands out of the frame of surveillance cameras, threatens to shoot the owner, the owner's spouse and children, the employees of the establishment and everyone that enters the store? The owner is absent, but the stranger knows enough personal information about them to be taken somewhat seriously, even though no weapon is brandished.

Give up? "Well, that's a matter of free speech."

Um, excuse me officer, have you heard of Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, San Bernardino, Portland?

"It's a free country."

I think (hopefully), nothing will come of this lunatic's (who has enough on the ball to get some personal data from some social media site or other) empty threat of a mass shooting. But this is what happens in the real world when a real person walks into a real establishment. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch. Move along.

They have to plan for these sorts of things. Actors need to be on their marks, cameras rolling, officers need haircuts and their best uniforms..you can't just do one of these things on the spur of the moment.
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Some more practice with HAARP and chemicals - scaring the masses with claims that it looks like the Fist of God! The entire backdrop of sky is polluted with spraying.

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Only 3 limited shots of this amazing formation. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eaven.html

This is the weather blogger (what luck) who took the awesome photos Rogerio Pacheco - this is the only "blog"of his I could find - not much blogging. http://www.naija.io/blogs/t/1732311/rogerio-pacheco

There is a cyclist with the same name and he has some blogs, but this was all I could find for our weather blogger.
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A CRANE FALLS IN MANHATTAN - on my birthday.

A 38-year-old Jewish man dies.

http://www.jta.org/2016/02/05/default/j ... gn=jtafeed


“He was an angel, an absolute angel,” said a man who would only identify himself as the family rabbi.
“He was a wonderful, wonderful person. He was the best, the absolute best, and that's what makes this tragedy that much greater,” the rabbi said, as he left Wichs’ Upper West Side brownstone."
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/con ... -1.2521130
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During CNN's morning coverage of 9/11 there's a montage of scenes that tends to play. One scene in particular that interests me right now is the oner of various reporters running down the street before they "take cover" behind a car & point up at the burning towers.

The longest version of this scene seems to take place as Tom Clancy talks about Muslim fanatics (it's still kinda incredible that one must write a sentence like that to describe alleged news reports) at 11:54.

Shorter versions of the scene play at 11:09.

My question is do any Cluesforum members know who the reporters are meant to be (and the lady in pink is definitely a reporter... she holds a microphone at one point)?

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Ahh I figured out the correct combination of words to find what I required from Google.

They are Nina Pineda and Lauren Glassberg.

The story of how the 'one long take' was shot is a bit confusing to say the least...
Soon Pineda and the rest of America learned the awful truth. As she and a videographer ran toward the World Trade Center, people trying to escape ran past them in the other direction.

"We were very close and the police were running toward us yelling 'It's going to go! Down on the ground, now!' " the Uniontown native recalled. "So we immediately ducked."

A videographer captured images of Pineda, clad in a pink suit, crouching behind a car, her arm around another reporter.

"We were just running on instinct," she said. "You just cover yourself and whoever is near you."

Despite Nina's terrible experience she appears in other clearly green-screened scenes from that day (as pointed out by nonhocapito... second post down).

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So she was "reporting live" from the WTC & a studio on the same day?

Anyhow I've got what I was looking for... I'll carry on researching this scene.
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Critical Mass wrote: Anyhow I've got what I was looking for... I'll carry on researching this scene.
Very well done, CM !

I spent a little time the other day trying to help you out with this - but turned out empty-handed (as I couldn't remember 'Nina Pineda' or any other useful keywords...)
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MY PROPOSED SKYPE MEET-UP EXPERIMENT

Following the latest 'drama' between a number of forum members - here's what I propose. It might just flop - but I'll always be a keen experimenter! As it is, we've done skype meet-ups in the past (some years ago) - and it worked out quite fine. It's always kinda cool to talk 'ear-to-ear' (a bit easier than talking face-to-face) with people contributing with their brains and time to this forum.

Tomorrow is Tuesday, February 16th. I will be on Skype at 7pm (Rome time) onwards. If no one has called me by 8pm - I will call the experiment off. That's right, any Cluesforum member can call me via skype in this 7-to-8pm time window - and I will make sure to add any additional callers as we go along. Our conversations will be strictly 'in-house' - and unrecorded.

Check your time zone here (in relation to my Rome, Italy time) : http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

My Skype username is : simon.shack
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