omaxsteve wrote:
I am responding here, in the chatroom, because I do not want to interfere with anyone who is interested in researching the topic of the Holocaust. You are correct that I have not responded to any of the claims made by people who are questioning the Holocaust ; Here"s why:
The "facts" surrounding the Holocaust have long been ingrained onto the public consciousness. I have no doubt that many claims are exaggerated and many witness testimonies are fabricated, and there exist some doctored photographs
Excellent... it's great that you can say that. Many can't... though they're likely 'prejudiced' or something
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I also have no doubt that the Nazi regime led by Hitler hunted and rounded up Jews and transported them to internment/concentration camps and that a significant number of Jews died there.
Again there's no disagreement there.
If the "Jewish power mongers", or Zionist mis-leaders , were able to pull off such a hoax that has stood up for 70 years and also managed to get countries with very small Jewish populations to pass legislation making it illegal to question the veracity of the claims, I would tend to say they have "won" that round.
Again I'm forced to point out to you that the 'Holocaust' was a military/media hoax. Probably it's primary objective was to create an ex post facto 'moral justification' for WW2.
It's over now, time to give up and move on to something new. There is nothing you , or anyone, can do; no evidence that you can come up with that will ever change the public consciousness or attitude.
You could probably say the same thing about any one subject on Cluesforum... however it is certain that thanks to Cluesforums efforts an understanding of 'media fakery' is now more prevalent than it was a decade ago. An ever growing, but still small, portion of the population
is having its consciousness & attitudes changed to accepting that liars & lies exist. On a personal level the first hoax I came to accept was the 'Holocaust'... 9/11 came afterwards for me.
Even [if] you could convince a number of people that the facts surrounding the Holocaust were fabricated as part of a conspiracy to advance the cause of Jews worldwide, how would that benefit anyone?
You're again assuming (like some kind of 'white nationalist') that the Holohoax was a wholly 'Jewish conspiracy'... I very much doubt that it was. Again, like 9/11, there were certainly a lot of Jews & Jewish liars involved... but the military must have actually planned & organized it.
I think that is also important that you understand that the great majority of modern day Jews are not involved in any conspiracy and are affected equally by the hoaxes and psyops as are the non-Jews.
Has anyone ever said or implied anything but? In fact Simon has had to create new terminology to try & assure you that we do all understand this. Clearly you're all but impossible to assure on this point.
Convincing people that this was possible in the 1940's , where few , if anyone , had a television, and most people got their news from word of mouth would be a near impossibility. Think of this comparison, most people learned of 9/11 through media sources, wheras most people (at least most Jewish people anyway) learned of the horrors of the holocaust from their parents, grand parents and great grandparents
May I remind you what you wrote in the Holocaust thread...
My personal experience is limited. The only thing that I know, for certain, is that both my grandparents had numbers tattooed on their forearms . They both were held in concentration camps. They both died before I was old enough to get any real "testimony" from them about their personal experiences.
... what exactly did you learn of the 'horrors of the holocaust' from your parents, grand parents and great grandparents? I suspect most neutral readers who happen to be Jewish will have relatives who talk about camps probably even hunger & disease. Horrible things for sure... but not 'gas chambers' or babies being burned alive.
The main focus of this site, the 9/11, media hoax , is already becoming less and less relevant as almost 15 years have passed since that day. As more time passes by , it will become more, not less, difficult to open people's minds to the truth. There are so many other recent media hoaxes and staged events that are in full view of the public right now, and in my opinion this is the area where this site needs to be focused on.
Well we all have differing opinions on where research needs to 'focus' on. I will note that the Holocaust thread is one of the smaller threads on Cluesforum... I'd suggest it was hardly a significant 'distraction'.
For this site to be seen as aligning itself with a controversial and (in my opinion) hopeless endeavor of trying to get people to minimize the abhorrence they feel towards the atrocities of the Holocaust will do a lot more harm than good, EVEN IF the entire story was completely fabricated and Auschwitz and the other camps were actually 5 star hotels and the Jews were treated as VIP guests.
Well it has served to highlight one thing... you're an utter moron.
So, to summarize my point of view, I am not trying to being adversarial. I am not going to debate you, or anyone about the facts surrounding the Holocaust. I frankly don't care about any evidence you can dig up from the events of WWII. I say leave that to the historians.
That has got to be the most insane thing for a Cluesforum member to write... the same 'historians' who will write about the "horrors of the burning towers" & the "necessary evil" of the 'War on Terror' against those 'abhorrent Moslem fanatics'?
Put your considerable research and cognitive thinking skills to use in an area where some good can come from it. To use a war analogy, stop fighting a battle that is already lost and the winner has already been declared. What good can come from fighting a battle that has already been lost, if it costs you the war?
Costs us 'the war'? Where are you even getting this from?
My advice, not that you are asking, is to do do what you can to get as many people as possible on your side, be they Jews, Christians, Muslims, or atheists, etc. Focus on exposing the perpetrators, it matters not what religious group they belong to. You are more likely to have success by targeting those that are guilty, than the group they belong to. How can it possibly aid the cause of exposing media fakery by alienating the large number of Jewish victims that are equally effected as you are by the hoaxsters?
Again you talk about 'focus'... yet this is just one topic in a massive research forum. If there are any neutral readers who are Jewish & still happen to
believe six million of their kin disappeared in the 1940's then I'd advise them to bring some evidence to the forum. Not just whine, derail & link to websites that do not discuss the points raised!
To make my position clearer, a Jew, or someone who sympathizes with Jews, will not be open to fighting against your imagined "Jewish conspiracy" they will however be much more likely to help in going after the perps within the Media, the government , NASA, or the CIA. Many Jews, however, WILL stand beside you if you are fighting against the Zionists.
The 'Jewish conspiracy' is in your head.
One last point which I think is important to the cause of helping people to see and become immune to the media hoaxes and conspiracies in general is that they have to be believable, or at least perceived to be believable. Few people will "buy" a conspiracy that involves millions of conspirators (Jews).
Once again no-one is saying that "millions of Jews" 'hoaxed the world'. Just like no-one is saying "millions of New Yorkers" 'hoaxed the world' on 9/11. If you don't understand that by this point then you're either being deliberately obtuse or you're actually mentally challenged in some manner.
While I am not much of a researcher by any means, I hope that I can make a contribution here.
You've singularly failed... I have no idea why your presence here is being tolerated at this point.
At this point, the biggest contribution I can make is to try and get you all to stop picking on all of the 'Jews' even though you aren't and have repeatedly explained this to me in great detail. I appear to ignore everything everyone writes.. blah, blah, blah
Reading your posts is like repeatedly smacking my head against a wall & expecting the wall to somehow 'catch' my sentience... in other words I'm beginning to feel like I'm the idiot here.
All in all Steve it's another truly abysmal post from you. I'll agree to stop this clearly pointless 'debate' with you.