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pdgalles wrote:For anyone who wonders how long media fakery has been around, I like to take a look every now and then at the BBC "On This Day (1950-2005)" website, which contains the news reports from the day of the "incidents". Watching all the IRA footage, it's hard to take it seriously.

This is like an online temple of media fakery: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/default.stm
Thank you, that's a great suggestion. I've just looked through some of the 11th of various months for starters, it's quite interesting. I'm sure I'll be checking other days fairly often :)
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[moved rd post about flight 191 to dedicated thread, here http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... &p=2367375]
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MsQ wrote:
pdgalles wrote:For anyone who wonders how long media fakery has been around, I like to take a look every now and then at the BBC "On This Day (1950-2005)" website, which contains the news reports from the day of the "incidents". Watching all the IRA footage, it's hard to take it seriously.

This is like an online temple of media fakery: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/default.stm
Thank you, that's a great suggestion. I've just looked through some of the 11th of various months for starters, it's quite interesting. I'm sure I'll be checking other days fairly often :)
Do the videos work for non-UK residents? If so take a look at this from 24 April 1993: IRA bomb devastates City of London

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 523345.stm

The number of absurdities in this video... the visual precognition of the 9/11 event, the filming and interviewing of severely injured people, the blood!

P.S. The coded message referred to at the end was "Media Fakery". :o :lol:
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pdgalles wrote:
MsQ wrote:
pdgalles wrote:For anyone who wonders how long media fakery has been around, I like to take a look every now and then at the BBC "On This Day (1950-2005)" website, which contains the news reports from the day of the "incidents". Watching all the IRA footage, it's hard to take it seriously.

This is like an online temple of media fakery: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/default.stm
Thank you, that's a great suggestion. I've just looked through some of the 11th of various months for starters, it's quite interesting. I'm sure I'll be checking other days fairly often :)
Do the videos work for non-UK residents? If so take a look at this from 24 April 1993: IRA bomb devastates City of London

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 523345.stm

The number of absurdities in this video... the visual precognition of the 9/11 event, the filming and interviewing of severely injured people, the blood!

P.S. The coded message referred to at the end was "Media Fakery". :o :lol:
'member this one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Yvonne_Fletcher
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Sure, it's all part of the never-ending narrative that we are expected to be afraid of. :rolleyes:

17 April 1984: Libyan embassy shots kill policewoman

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 488369.stm
I was a guardsman mounting Royal Guard on that day. We were doing guard mount in the forecourt of Buckingham Palace and heard the shots fired.

[...]

The next morning a Middle-Eastern-looking guy was arrested on TV carrying a very large machette. He was brought to the Guardroom and kept there in cuffs for about 10 minutes before being carted off to the police station.

- Andy Buchanan, former Grenadier Guard
5 May 1980: SAS rescue ends Iran embassy siege
Millions of people watched the rescue live on television as bank holiday entertainment on all three channels was interrupted to show the real-life drama unfold.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 510873.stm
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22 March 1980: Schild family reunited with daughter

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Teenager Annabel Schild has been reunited with her mother after being released from seven months of captivity in Sardinia.

The 15-year-old's ordeal ended when her captors dumped her on a deserted road between the small towns of Mamoida and Sarule in central Sardinia.

[...]

Mr Schild, a wealthy businessman, was asked to pay a ransom running into millions of pounds and was released without warning in September.

[...]

A lot of publicity in Britain and in Sardinia was considered to have kept the case in the public domain but when the Schilds were released they blamed the British media for endangering their lives.

Large sections of the press reported incorrectly Mr Schild was worth millions of pounds.

The abductors refused to believe Mr Schild when he said he simply did not have the vast sums of money they demanded.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 543805.stm

Damn that independent media we have! Look at the trouble a free-thinking press causes! We can only conclude that in no way is the media linked to power and authority.

:rolleyes:

9 DECEMBER 2006: Schilds to get £184m in Huntleigh sale

The Schild family will walk away with £184m after agreeing to sell Huntleigh Technology, the London-listed hospital beds business they founded, to the Swedish medical equipment group Getinge for £407m in cash.

[...]

The Schilds shot into the headlines in August, 1979 when Rolf was kidnapped, with Daphne and Annabel, while holidaying in Sardinia. The kidnappers had mistakenly believed Rolf Schild, who had come to Britain as a penniless refugee schoolboy from Nazi Germany, to be a member of the Rothschild family.

Mr Schild was released after 16 days with instructions to raise £11m - a sum that, at the time, was out of all proportion to the family's wealth - and months of tense bargaining with the kidnappers followed. The ordeal was not helped by suggestions in the British tabloid press that the family was much richer than they actually were and even that Mr Schild was somehow involved in the crime. Daphne was set free in January, but Annabel, then 15, was only freed in March 1980 after a plea to the kidnappers from the Pope. The final ransom paid was £220,000. Two years later, 13 men were found guilty of the abduction and jailed.
Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 27739.html

17 Apr 2003: Rolf Schild obituary
The son of a Jewish textile entrepreneur, Rolf Schild was born at Lindental in Germany on May 18 1924. He went to school in Cologne where, in 1939, his headmaster arranged for about 100 pupils, including Rolf, to be evacuated to England by the so-called kindertransport route. Rolf's elder brother was already in England, but his parents were not permitted to follow, and both died in Nazi camps.

[...]

Rolf Schild was appointed OBE in 1997, and was also awarded the German Order of Merit for his contribution to Anglo-German relations.
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... child.html
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31 Mar 1990: Violence flares in poll tax demonstration

An anti-poll tax rally in central London has erupted into the worst riots seen in the city for a century.
Forty-five police officers are among the 113 people injured as well as 20 police horses.

A total of 340 people have been arrested in the heart of London's West End, popular with musical and theatre goers, as cars have been overturned and set alight.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 530763.stm

Two points:

i. The narrative does not match the images - "Police were chased by demonstrators"; no, they were just running away from a static crowd. "The men climbed scaffolding and incited the crowd"; no, the crowd showed no signs of being incited.

ii. At the 1:02 mark of the video a woman is said to be knocked down by a police horse, yet it is clearly digital manipulation of the video, 11 years before 9/11, which is why it looks so horrendously fake now.
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7 June 1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor
The Israelis have bombed a French-built nuclear plant near Iraq's capital, Baghdad, saying they believed it was designed to make nuclear weapons to destroy Israel.

It is the world's first air strike against a nuclear plant.

An undisclosed number of F-15 interceptors and F-16 fighter bombers destroyed the Osirak reactor 18 miles south of Baghdad, on the orders of Prime Minister Menachem Begin.

[...]

The Israeli Government explained its reasons for the attack in a statement saying: "The atomic bombs which that reactor was capable of producing whether from enriched uranium or from plutonium, would be of the Hiroshima size. Thus a mortal danger to the people of Israel progressively arose."

[...]

News of the audacious raid did not actually emerge until 24 hours later when Israel made its announcement. Only then did Iraq admit it had happened and express indignation.

One of the pilots involved was Ilan Ramon who trained as Israel's first astronaut but was killed in the Columbia shuttle disaster in 2003.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 014623.stm

19 July 2010: Eilat Airport Named for Ilan, Assaf Ramon

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An airport near Eilat that is currently under construction will be named for Ilan and Assaf Ramon.

Minister of Transportation Yisrael Katz announced Sunday that the airport that will be built at Timna, near Eilat, will be named after Ilan and Assaf Ramon.

Ilan Ramon was one of the eight F-16 pilots who bombed the Iraqi nuclear plant in 1981, preventing dictator Saddam Hussein from obtaining nuclear weapons. He was also the first Israeli astronaut, and was killed when the space shuttle Columbia exploded upon re-entering the earth's atmosphere.

His son Assaf was also an IAF pilot. He was killed in a training accident last year.
Source: http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/culture.php?Itemid=289
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I've been traveling a bit lately and I always "opt out" of the x-ray scan. At first they made a big deal out of it. Last couple times they did not. One thing I've noticed is how the TSA guys act. After my full body massage they peel off the blue latex gloves and make a point to explain to me how they're going to test the gloves. It finally dawned on me that it's all bullshit. Anyone else notice this? It's actually kinda comical. My wife was on one side and I was on the other and we both started laughing when he said he was going to test the gloves.
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AmongTheThugs wrote:I've been traveling a bit lately and I always "opt out" of the x-ray scan. At first they made a big deal out of it. Last couple times they did not. One thing I've noticed is how the TSA guys act. After my full body massage they peel off the blue latex gloves and make a point to explain to me how they're going to test the gloves. It finally dawned on me that it's all bullshit. Anyone else notice this? It's actually kinda comical. My wife was on one side and I was on the other and we both started laughing when he said he was going to test the gloves.
I like your story. B)

I want to make my own post but don't want to just run over the top of yours.

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7 August 1998: US embassies in Africa bombed

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At least 200 people have been killed and more than 1,000 injured following explosions at United States embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

The bombings took place within minutes of each other at around 1030 local time.

No-one has claimed responsibility but US officials suspect the attacks were the work of Osama bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 131709.stm

Watch the news report:

The interviewer, Kirsty Wark, leads the "experts" through the narrative, e.g. "If it is bin Laden, are you going to get him?" :rolleyes: Of course, bin Laden being behind the attacks is "purely speculative."

These poor African countries need to wait for US experts to fly in to help with the "investigation":
US President Bill Clinton has condemned the attacks as "abhorrent" and said every effort would be made to catch the bombers.

He said that the US was sending counter-terrorism experts and medical teams to the region. A team of US marines is also flying there to bolster security along with FBI agents.
Of course Israeli experts would be fine too...
The Kenyans were ill-equipped to deal with such a huge disaster.

It wasn't until an Israeli search and rescue team arrived that the last bodies were retrieved and the final death toll known - 207 Kenyans and 12 US citizens in Nairobi.

Another 11 lives were lost in the Tanzanian bombing. Altogether more than 4,000 people were injured.
Three years later:
A memorial park was opened in Nairobi on 7 August 2001 to commemorate the victims of the blast.
Convenient timing to remind the world of the dangers of bin Laden.
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I find this http://letsrollforums.com/flight-11-her ... post230082 quite interesting, i.e. you play your role out of (military) duty ... but it shows on your (stupid) faces. :P
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Heiwa wrote:I find this http://letsrollforums.com/flight-11-her ... post230082 quite interesting, i.e. you play your role out of (military) duty ... but it shows on your (stupid) faces. :P
I like Loop's research and writing style, Heiwa. The pictures are damning. No real tears, just poor attempts at looking sad. I've never seen anyone looking like that at a funeral. The youngest girl is really struggling to show "grief". But did he ever exist or was he always "Jim" playing John?

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whatsgoingon wrote:[...]

I contend further that all Middle East historic events since the US oil decline was observed in 1970 are fakes. Iran hostages, various bombings of Embassies, Oil Embargos. It is all collusion and fairy dust. The Arab World is part of the CIA OP. They are not autonomous. Saudis are totally invested in the US stock market. Minimally they are controlled and manipulated by fakery or they design it in conjunction with the US globalist masters.

Worth thinking about. Fakery in commodity and financials and banking linked to media hype imagery of "real" events.

Not hard to imagine and it is very sophisticated and hard to grasp unless you are a financial genius.

[...]

Simon's site here helped me to see that the whole media pump is an invention where the instrument is pure photoshop imagination. We are totally controlled at every level but Media is a prime mover of markets imho.

Let's think about this.
I don't know anything about oil but from a purely practical perspective it is logical to assume that ALL governments must be in on the media fakery epidemic.

The "Cold War" is an obvious smoking gun but I would consider both World Wars as highly suspicious too - now these were not faked events in the way that we use the term today but I read a number of years ago in a mainstream history book (memory fails me as to the title) that the US cinematographers who were embedded with the troops in Europe in WWII took the footage of war back to the film studios in the US for use as newsreels and the studios were not happy with the quality, i.e. it wasn't as impactful as they had desired, so the battle scenes were re-shot in the US. IF this is true, think of the consequences for any concept of truth regarding the WWII narrative.

Anyway...

6 September 1970: Hundreds held in series of hijacks
Four New York-bound airliners have been hijacked over western Europe in an unprecedented operation carried out by a militant Palestinian group.

Three of the planes taken over by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) have been flown to two different locations in the Middle East.

One of the hijackers is dead and the other in custody after the crew and passengers on the fourth jet foiled the attack.
In Context

The Pan American jet was flown to Cairo airport in the early hours of the morning on 7 September and blown up after the hijackers had led all the passengers to safety.

The other two planes held at a former RAF airfield in the Jordanian desert were joined by another hijacked jet - a British Airways flight from Bombay - on 9 September.

Most of the hostages were released on 11 September, and the hijackers escorted the remainder off the planes just before they blew them up the following day.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 500667.stm
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I am new here and could not find a more appropriate (unlocked) thread to post in.

I am having trouble sourcing some pictures and gifs of videos on the website.

One in particular (from the post perp-spectives under 9/11 simcity) left me scratching my head; simonshack indicates it was on cbs2, but both the cbs2 website and google have failed me.

In more broad terms I am very interested in ANY footage shot in/around this area.

Thanks
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