What occultism shares with modern media fakery

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What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby Sisterlover on February 26th, 2013, 2:28 am

I realize posting this anywhere else would surely lead to a solid thrashing. Perhaps rightly so.

There are many good reasons to suggest that these psy-ops are entirely without 'real' victims, and this forum has provided sound reasoning for most of them. I, too, believe that real victims make for bad PR and leave long a paper trail. However, I feel that we do ourselves a disservice when we outright deny the possibility of 'occultic' forces at play, or that matters considered esoteric have no sway in these events.

My intention with the following missive is not to convince readers the veracity of the claims contained in this message, but rather lay out the reasoning behind a possible link between occult forces and modern media fakery.

Going back several thousand years, if we look at ancient societies, we see that (apparently) superstitious beliefs led to high incidences of human sacrifice. Whether it be to appease the gods, or the kings or queens, or bring good fortune and crops, it matters not. The psychological manifestation of fear and obedience of the populace was assured, and according to the societies, so too were the gods appeased.

Remember, this was a time of story telling; there were no newspapers, no Fox News, etc. Surely, losing your youngest daughter to a deep well in the name of Quetzalcoatl, though a worthy sacrifice, must have sucked as badly then as it would today. The effect on your immediate family, neighbours and townsfolk can't be underestimated. Loved ones were lost, we are told. There are tons of bones at the bottom of wells that support the concept (it was harder to 'fake' the deaths back then).
Now, whether the ancients knew something about appeasing the gods that we don't, today, we have an easier, less messy, way to instill the same fear and loathing: the mainstream media!

I read a lot on the forum about the silliness of claims regarding 'illuminati' or 'satanic ritual abuse', most of which are indeed ridiculous diversions. However, there is a general acceptance of the importance of numerology (something I'm not convinced of myself) in the events and even the 'elite' forces behind them. Still, it is generally accepted that the motives are exclusively driven by economics.

The prevailing mindset is to dismiss the idea of dark forces working behind the scenes to execute these events. Assholes? Sure. But, dark, evil forces? C'mon! Human sacrifices, we have learned, happen rarely, if ever, in these scenarios.
My contention is that the actual sacrifices need not happen to effect the same type of 'magic' as is resultant in these psy-ops.
Merriam Webster dictionary defines magic as:
1 a : the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
b : magic rites or incantations
2 a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source
b : something that seems to cast a spell : enchantment
3 : the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand

From where I'm standing, it is not a requirement to have 'real' victims to complete a magical process on a dumbed down populace. Sandy Hook is a perfect example. Despite an expanded understanding of media fakery, do not doubt that the majority of the population has bought the official story – dead babies or not. This is the magic. This is the effect of “satanism”, for lack of a better term. Collectively, there is less resistance to gun control, there is more emphasis on 'mental health' issues (how crazy are YOU?), there are more bogus memorial funds, and if there are dark gods from the hollow earth, they are surely pleased.

IF we believe that real dead babies are required for the magical, mass deception to work, then we believe in the same superstition of the dark ages.

And, what's with all the numerology?
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby lux on February 26th, 2013, 3:44 am

I don't dismiss the ritual abuse claims so easily (though I don't doubt some disinfo is involved too). I'll post my reasons if anyone wants to know.

But I don't think human sacrifice has much to do with these psy-ops though they do seem to have ritualistic elements.
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby edgewaters on February 26th, 2013, 3:54 am

There could be many possibilities for the numerology etc

I think the first and most likely possibility is that it's a diversion; a red herring intended to divert any investigation into the events into pointless theorizing about religion and magic, and furthermore to attach a set of ludicrous baggage to investigators, with the intent of ensuring they are marginalized and discredited.

There are other possibilities too. It could also be a signature, to brand the events in the eyes of rival factions, to speak to their peers and competitors and demonstrate their power and triumph.

It could be that the perpetrators are members of a cult and believers of a sort - though I think this highly unlikely.

It could be that they've unlocked some secret of psychology used by the major religions and are seeking to exploit it. I.e. perhaps it is the case that the use of these things has some kind of subliminal influence even when it's not consciously realized. Like some sort of gestalt psychology.

Finally there's the possibility that it's sheer coincidence. Numbers, especially, are like that, and the human mind tends to seek patterns and even create them where none exist, because of how our brains are structured to seek patterns.
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby Gracist on February 26th, 2013, 4:00 am

I really don't see how there is any question at this point about the occult nature of the forces behind all this fakery. After my years of research it is the only consistent and convincing conclusion. Purely economic and material motives have never convinced me satisfactorily. If those were the only motive there would be no need for the numerology, the weird ancient mystery religion connections. The obvious and apparent occult agendas such as the homosexual/androgynous agenda (which I've been banned from this forum for discussing in the past.)

Just look at a simple thing like the dollar bill in light of the definition of magic which you posted and convince me that it isn't the greatest magical talisman ever created. It is mammon if you know what I mean. Personally I highly support the topic of this thread and feel that it is really chopping at the roots instead of the branches.
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby Gracist on February 26th, 2013, 4:06 am

I also just wanted to add that there aren't victims in the fake American events (9/11, Sandy Hook) but there are dead children in Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon etc. So if real deaths are necessary there are certainly no lack of actual murdered children.
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby Sisterlover on February 26th, 2013, 4:15 am

lux wrote:I don't dismiss the ritual abuse claims so easily (though I don't doubt some disinfo is involved too). I'll post my reasons if anyone wants to know.

But I don't think human sacrifice has much to do with these psy-ops though they do seem to have ritualistic elements.


I would love to hear your thoughts on this, Lux, as I can't shake the feeling that there is more to the story than we've managed to focus in on. Not sure what it is, but I have a bad feeling about some bad people at work. This is partly the reason I seem to drift into this arena with some frequency. Don't know what it is, but I can't shake it...
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby Sisterlover on February 26th, 2013, 4:21 am

Gracist wrote:I also just wanted to add that there aren't victims in the fake American events (9/11, Sandy Hook) but there are dead children in Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon etc. So if real deaths are necessary there are certainly no lack of actual murdered children.


This is most certainly true, Gracist, and it may have to do with the prevailing mindset over there. The whole civilization is pretty backward. Hell, they still stone women to death, mutilate genitalia, etc. etc. in many parts of the middle east. So yeah, a large part of the muslim/arab world are a bunch of savages (there, I said it...) You'll see a lot of DirectTV dishes stuck to the sides of mud huts, but the bulk of the people aren't exposed to the onslaught of media B.S. that we are treated to daily. I guess they still have to kill kids? :blink:
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby hoi.polloi on February 26th, 2013, 4:25 am

occult forces


Back up. Let's address what exactly we're talking about. We are talking about strange mental arenas that we are personally drawn to, which have to do with the practical ways a TV or other simulator can manipulate people. Books did it in our recent ancestry, before there was such widespread modern photography.

In other words, you are talking about personal religion - which cannot be the focus of the forum.

"Occult forces" could mean people who believe in the occult, using their human force, or it could mean decidedly non-human force, which we are labeling occult. Since humans have a notoriously difficult time talking about the borders of where a human begins and ends, (just look at the hot-topics of abortion, ghosts, demons, cyborgs, clones, souls on the periphery of the human experience), this forum has to be extremely careful about letting the subjects take up the majority of our attention. What occultism shares with fakery, it shares with the world at large, right? That's what you're saying. You're not implying TV is a magical mass-produced artifact; you're saying there exists some form of "real" magic unexplainable by modern science.

That undermines the premise of the forum, which is to form a gathering place for everyone to discuss the ways of overcoming our holes in a sort of collectively determined, modern, conventional, populist science. I request, if this topic is to remain open on our forum, that we do not attribute powers to other-worldly things, and we focus strictly on repeatable science of the vast majority of the human race from child to adult. So let's not devolve our forum into a David Icke kind of tromping all over every subject under the sun (or behind it, around it, hidden from it, et cetera ad nauseum).

This is, for the most part, a skeptical scientific forum, and not one that bends into fringe beliefs, but which tries to create a safe, reliable, scientific base for the most universal rules of our world we can find.

You don't need to be under a "spell" to be fooled. You don't need to be the victim of a wizard to be caught in a PsyOp. You don't need to empower the perps with their own delusions of grandeur, (un)holy powers, etc. just because you can't admit that the repeating symbols and numbers are of the simplest forms of mind control tactics: sympathetic reasoning.

The average person can merely use their conventional means of polite standard communication with others to explain what media stories presented to our senses may or may not be likely in reality. We don't need to create an unachievable, unreachable psychological front against magic forces, like some kind of Religious Crusade against demons.

So, I am going to lock this topic for the time being, to keep us re-focused on reality. As much as I'd love to share my "weird" experiences here, our forum isn't the place for it.
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby simonshack on February 26th, 2013, 2:28 pm

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Firstly, let me say that I agree with Hoi's basic premise that this forum is not the right place to discuss the occult and such matters - there are zillions of places on the internet where you can do so. I understand some of our members will disagree and argue that, as an open-minded discussion board, we shouldn't be 'censoring' or 'be afraid of' tackling any topics which may or may not be relevant to this forum's endeavors. I ask those members to please bear with us - and will even humbly admit the possibility that we (the admins) may be proven wrong and shortsighted - some day in the future. The thing is, lest this forum degenerates into one of those 'new-agey' websites (dealing with the occult, the supernatural, anti-christs, sorcery, satanism, crop circles, UFO's, doomsdays/armageddons and so forth), we simply must draw a line somewhere.

Having said that, I found Sisterlover's opening post of this thread quite thoughtful, in that it suggests that media fakery (such as Sandy Hook and its 'sacrificial kids') inherently contains an aura of 'magick' and 'satanism' - which will be picked up by impressionable minds among the populace. But isn't this just part of the desired fear-mongering those wretched psyops aim to generate? Wouldn't we be playing right into the hands of the low-life assholes behind those sorry scams - by speculating that some sort of 'occult forces' are at play here? To be sure, there is nothing occult with, say, David Copperfield's 'magic' tricks he performs amidst the "oohs! & gasps!" of enthralled, paying audiences. The stuff he does is called 'sleight of hand' - nothing more. Yet, you can bet that Copperfield just loves to hear old ladies attributing to him occult, supernatural powers...
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Re: What occultism shares with modern media fakery

Postby simonshack on February 26th, 2013, 5:16 pm

Sisterlover wrote:And, what's with all the numerology?


As for all the numerology, I do not pretend to know what it's all about. However, I believe we can most certainly rule out the notion that it is just a matter of happenstance / coincidence. For instance, here's a list of articles reporting alleged AIDS-related data which I gathered in a few hours of google searches - back in 2011:

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simonshack wrote:

BRIEF TRIVIAL DIGRESSION : As I casually searched for W.H.O. info, I was 'shocked' to bump into these AIDS-related 'facts & figures'...

-"Nigeria: 11,000 HIV/Aids Patients a Week - Disturbing" http://allafrica.com/stories/201007270306.html
-"11,000 people affected by HIV/AIDS in Romania" http://romaniandaily.ro/cat12848/art8484443061/
-"11,000 civil servants living with HIV/AIDS in Kogi"(India) http://dailytrust.dailytrust.com/index. ... s&Itemid=2
- "Congo: "11,000 deaths reported in 1997 alone" http://www.gvnet.com/streetchildren/Congo-ROC.htm
-"Carribean: 11,000 infected persons died in 2007" http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.com/ ... killing-we
- "Mexico: According to the US-AID, in 2007, 11,000 people died of AIDS" http://thenewsonline.mx/index.php/mexico/M01-7398.htm
- "Botswana: According to United Nations data( 2007) 11,000 people were killed by HIV-AIDS" http://hiv-statistics.findthebest.com/q ... Botswana-a
- "Burundi: 11,000 people died from AIDS in Burundi in 2007" http://www.slideshare.net/randydepew/bu ... an-spreads
- "USA: About 11,000 people died of AIDS in 2007" http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-08 ... ics-branch
- "WSDOH estimates that 11,000 to 12,000 live with HIV in Washington State" http://www.accesscontinuingeducation.co ... c1/p01.htm
- "Sub-Saharan Africa: 11,000 are dying every day due to HIV/AIDS related illnesses" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17948947
- "Myanmar: more than 11,000 people in treatment for HIV in the country" http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/pr ... ss-release
- "11,000 Australians infected with HIV: report" http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/1997/08/ ... iv-report/
-"...11,000 deaths attributed to AIDS in L.A. County..." http://elkodaily.com/news/opinion/artic ... 03286.html
-"...Today, daily 11,000 people are being infected with HIV & AIDS in the world" http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... google.com
-"Gov. David A. Paterson, D-N.Y., vetoes bill to provide rent relief for more than 11,000 New Yorkers with HIV and AIDS" http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-R ... Needy.aspx

END OF TRIVIAL DIGRESSION


The minds of the folks behind all of this shit are pretty much f****d up - in my honest opinion.
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