The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:02 am

hoi.polloi wrote:Wait, though, I don't think Andrew is a phony, necessarily. I see his speeches as an indication that he is annoyed with being fooled.


Annoyed a little. Worried a little. Sad a little.

Concerned about what other things may have fooled me, that I have not detected yet.
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:44 am

Andrew1484 wrote:The English revolutionary leader Oliver Cromwell rather stupidly invited the Khazars to return to England after the Civil War in 1657, presumably in the hope that these banksters could speed up financial recovery in England.


reichstag fireman wrote:Why was it stoopid? Surely a shrewd move.. if money is needed for war, where else to find it but the bankers? Plus ca change? Although in reality, the bankers decide when the wars start and end, according to a complex economic algorithmic formulaic equation, called "Gouging the Last Drop of Blood From Us"


The entire concept of "money" is a fraud. Governments can create fiat money out of nothing as VALUE (not as debt), just as the banks create money out of nothing, but as debt not value.

Colonial Scrip, Lincoln Greenbacks, Channel Island Pounds, Tally Sticks etc.

There is no good reason for a government ever to borrow "money" from bankers.

Yes, the bankers do decide when wars will start and end, but they should NEVER have that power. They should not have this power to create money out of debt --- and so to control everything else.


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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:29 am

http://www.amazon.com/Web-Debt-Shocking ... llen+brown

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Web of Debt: The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How We Can Break Free

97% Owned - Monetary Reform documentary - Directors Cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby bostonterrierowner on Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:06 pm

I am very much into money as well :)

I highly recommend this guy :

http://www.economonitor.com/lrwray/
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:16 pm

Andrew1484 wrote:credited with being the real “Shakespeare”..He quite possibly wrote the interesting tale of the “Merchant of Venice” (Venice, City of Venus-Lucifera, Enlightenment Goddess) about the problems associated with Khazarian banksters.


reichstag fireman wrote: Really. So Bacon was the REAL Shakespeare, not the Earl of Oxford as many serious scholars suppose. Any evidence for your theorifications? Thought not! Fancy that!


You have noticed (I am sure) that I don’t often make “definitive statements” ---- like somebody in particular was the “REAL Shakespeare” and yet here you appear to try to suggest that I have.

I wonder why that is? I try to offer theories and hypotheses for CONSIDERATION and yet you, on the one hand, seem to be complaining that I am putting in qualifications to my propositions all the time (as I should, because it is all just a theory) and then you try to twist it around to suggest that I have made a definitive statement! How very sneaky of you!

We cannot say for sure who the REAL writer of the plays might have been. I have been to Stratford-upon-Avon and I have heard the story about that particular dude being the author. I personally rate the chances of that story being genuinely “true” fairly low. I have also heard a theory that some “scholars” propose that the Earl of Oxford MIGHT have been Shakespeare. I even watched a Hollywood style movie, on DVD, called “Anonymous” about that very suggestion.
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I note that you make a contemptuous “appeal to authority” with a lofty “many serious scholars” which is a typical “mind trick” often employed by Khazars in their propaganda, like the “mind tricks” of the famous “Public Relations” guru Edward Bernays.

A quick Google search will permit other minds (perhaps a little less “definitive” and more “open” to new ideas than yours) to see that there is a “school of thought” (no appeal to authority) that Sir Francis Bacon MIGHT have been Shakespeare. Proponents of this school of thought (19th and 20th Century) provide their tentative reasons and hints at evidence, that might point in that direction. I do not intend to try to write yet another book about this subject though!

People who prefer “historical documentary” theories on video, instead of in books, might like to watch this intriguing (for me) film about the Bacon theory.
"Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings" Volume 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXqI18izGXc

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXqI18izGXc
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:25 pm

bostonterrierowner wrote:I am very much into money as well :)

I highly recommend this guy :

http://www.economonitor.com/lrwray/


Do you ever watch Max Keiser ranting on RT?
http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/
He is so often so funny about money and banksters.
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby bostonterrierowner on Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:34 pm

I know who Max Keiser is , we even discussed him on this forum . He seems knowledgable about finance and how money works but unfortunatelly he is a great supporter of 9/11 myth. He is a part of the limitted hangout operation that is performed on MSM . RT is a alternative MSM :) I only watch Keiser Report when Michael Hudson or Steve Keen are guests . I follow their work.

I love Max Keiser's "suicidal banker" story . It goes like this :

There is a proof that right before the planes hit the towers a great number of put option orders were made in one of the brokerage firms placed in WTC . It looks like some greedy broker decided to place them instead of evacuating right away :)

Of course there were no planes , no brokers or any brokarage firms in WTC . But I don't have to remind you about this :)

This the kind of character Max is . A clown and a schill .
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby bostonterrierowner on Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:00 pm

This is a lecture with Michael Hudson as one of the speakers . I recommend this to everyone .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Ebo8PIPSc#!


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zEbo8PIPSc

Start watching at 1hr36min mark to listen how Anglo-American imperialism works :)

The older Hudson gets the more truth comes out of his mouth .

p.s.

I was really trying to embed this vid but without success .
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:15 pm

bostonterrierowner wrote:This is a lecture with Michael Hudson as one of the speakers . I recommend this to everyone .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Ebo8PIPSc#!

Start watching at 1hr36min mark to listen how Anglo-American imperialism works :)

The older Hudson gets the more truth comes out of his mouth .

p.s.

I was really trying to embed this vid but without success .



Economic Hit Men at work. We will make you rich or we will kill you.
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:30 pm

bostonterrierowner wrote:I know who Max Keiser is , we even discussed him on this forum . He seems knowledgable about finance and how money works but unfortunatelly he is a great supporter of 9/11 myth. He is a part of the limitted hangout operation that is performed on MSM . RT is a alternative MSM :) I only watch Keiser Report when Michael Hudson or Steve Keen are guests . I follow their work.

I love Max Keiser's "suicidal banker" story . It goes like this :

There is a proof that right before the planes hit the towers a great number of put option orders were made in one of the brokerage firms placed in WTC . It looks like some greedy broker decided to place them instead of evacuating right away :)

Of course there were no planes , no brokers or any brokarage firms in WTC . But I don't have to remind you about this :)

This the kind of character Max is . A clown and a schill .


It is sometimes not possible for people to go through the looking glass and completely down the rabbit hole all in one go. At least a "limited hang out" might get a completely "virgin" sleepy head to start to think. Every journey starts with a single step. He has at least called 9/11 an inside job.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4u-sNR02vg
I think that Max is wrong as well to back gold and silver. Like Ron Paul. They may mean well, but it is still a bad idea.

He is a clown but, like a court jester, sometimes clowns can say stuff that others cannot say on MSM TV.
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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:39 pm

hoi.polloi wrote:I personally think the ceremonial magic stuff is backwards thinking from the plot. e.g.; they choose 9-1-1 as the emergency telephone number because it has a ritual significance with some Sheriff somewhere who happens to be a mason, or AT&T, which was always a spooky CIA-riddled company. Then, when the date 9/11 is chosen for the same reason, they can argue retroactive "plotting" or something. Makes them feel powerful.


Just suppose the 911 telephone number thing had been chosen because the date “9/11” is significant to them.

As in 9/11 Enkutatash for example (Ethiopia, Arc of the Covenant, Rock Hewn Temples, The Knights Templar cult, etc. etc. the whole shebang) So 9/11 meaning “A New Beginning” (in their terms) and it was their New Year Day. Remembering that year Zero for the Age of Pisces is null, 2001 might be the end of their Age of Pisces and the start of their Age of Aquarius.

Now we might also want to consider the cipher work that Captain May and his Ghost Troop did over 9/11, 7/11, 3/11, 7/7 etc. What is going on exactly with these “news reports” that show some (obviously bogus) displayed numbers in “news reports” that push “coincidence theory” way, way too far --- and off the edge of the cliff?

Then I remembered WW2 and the BBC and MIV using “code” in the MSM of the time, radio transmissions, to the French Resistance Terrorist Cells. V for Victory (and Venus-Lucifera and Two Finger Salute and V as in Latin 5 and V as in Morse Code Dit, Dit, Dit, Dar, Beethoven 5). It is the perfect way to send one-way coded messages to your terrorist cells, that cannot be cracked by computers. You send an open “listen-up signal” followed by the message in code which cannot be cracked by a third party, because each terrorist cell uses a different code book and a different coding method. Capture one code book and you only break one terrorist cell. Imagine the German Abwehr Officer saying to himself, OK so I get the “V pun” but WTF do they mean by "Blessent mon cœur d'une langueur monotone" - wound my heart with a monotonous languor?

Anyway, just a thought. I may be wrong. I may be joining some dots that are not really there.

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Re: The Problems With Historical Dating Methods

Postby Andrew1484 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:31 am

fbenario wrote:3. One more question I would like you to look at, if I may be so bold as to ask for more of your time. If in fact Velikovsky is right, and the Missing Dark Ages comprise events that somehow got compressed into what we define as 1000 - 1500 A.D., how do we research this, using I suppose primarily just our own brains and logic? What major historical events from 'way back' might never have happened?


I just watched, on TV, a lecture by Michael Cremo about his theories which push human history back millions of years. Now I do not say that Michael should necessarily be "believed" or "trusted" by anybody. Watch him wearing the psychological armour of a sceptic. However I think that he did make some interesting observations about how "science" in archaeology is NOT really being very scientific. He alleges that recovered (apparently human made) artefacts, that suggest a VERY ancient history for modern man, are being systematically suppressed by scientific (unscientific) dogma. Archaeologists are simply ignoring and concealing evidence from geologists, for example, if the geologists suggest an age that does not fit with current archaeological time-line dogma. So if we are seeing this kind of distortion of the basic principles of "scientific thinking" then perhaps we do need to wonder if the entire "story" presented in normal MSM propaganda (and in our schools), of our human history, may indeed be completely distorted and unreliable.

I found some other stuff involving Michael Cremo's ideas on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oGqPc6poS4

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oGqPc6poS4

Skip the 1 minute French intro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27dtgCNrces

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27dtgCNrces
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