Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

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hoi.polloi wrote:
illusion42 wrote:Music today is being utilised as religious sermons to the ancient "gods" except today the famous musicians/celebrities/royalty are playing the role of the ancient "gods" which people back in the past worshipped.
That seems casually general to me. Can you please explain what you mean?
If you will alow me, I think I know what he means. This is how I describe it: Man has not significantly changed in any real way ‘internally’ (emotionally, physiologically, intra-personally – except technologically) since the days he literally worshipped the gods (plural) – the god of this, the god of that. Which is to say not much at all.
He’s simply saying that the Hollywood machine and worldwide coverage of celebrities we’re subjected to plugs in to the exact same basic need in man. It’s like we have a ‘listening port” (to use a computer analogy) always open to that frequency. And music is the gateway.
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Hmm, totally interesting thread. I've thought about some of the things you guys bring up, but I don't think anyone's mentioned the whole "mainstreaming of porn" issue, and the role of the music video in that.

Maybe it's my whole post-feminist leaking out, but I remember a time in early high-school when Britney Spears and all them ex-mickey mouse club types were hitting the pop scene...and there was something particularly disturbing about the imagery that went along with it.

It was like I was looking at some kind of pedophile's fantasy world right there on my TV. What better role models for a generation of girls than this Lolita archetype! Child-like and sexually available. Completely and utterly sick. It's like the "kinder whore" look of the grunge era, only stripped of all irony and worn by ACTUAL jail-bait.

Then soon after, the invention of "tweens"...sickening dolls like "Bratz" (seriously, I will NEVER get over that ad campaign that said "Don't theorize! Accessorize!"). It was like there was some concerted effort going on to convince girls to be STUPID...that their value, and power came from how desirable they were.

Typically, the media response is a bunch of token concern about this "disturbing trend"...perhaps a a short interview, or soundbite from a psychologists saying a bunch of really obvious shit, while everything is business as usual. Then there's the contrived "rebellion against the archetype" (i.e. Pink, Avril Lavigne), who are merely stylistic variations on the same theme playing to a slightly different crowd.

So is there a concerted effort to keep people stupid, unquestioning - subtly herding them towards an predictable exploitable "archetype" through popular culture...while at the same time convincing them they're rebelling against the system? Yep, I totally believe it!

It also reminds me of the whole "cool hunting" phenomenon, which gives rise to the commercial exploitation of so-called "sub-culture". It's basically the real-life process of creating neat homogenous (and profitable!) demographics out of the less profitable, and more unpredictable realm of individual expression. So, it's not really even secret that our various "cultures" are being covertly hijacked and pushed through the filter of corporate interest. It's not "mind control" in the traditional sense, but it sure does play a huge role in the construction of consensus reality.

I fully believe there are awesome musos out there with real artistic integrity, but I also think the entertainment industry as a whole is highly agenda'd. I dare say that true talent is only REALLY given support by the mainstream, if their material at MINIMUM poses no threat to their interests at that time.

Anyhow, sincere apologies if this is way too ranty, off-topic, or not of interest.
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Hi Ms Mouse,

I agree! That trend of slutty music videos by Disney tarts was very disturbing (Britney Speers and Christina Aguilera) — and the "fashion" spin offs of skimpy clothing for pre-teen girls that followed. :blink:

Oh, and a belated welcome to the forum :D You weren't being ignored, btw, I've been enjoying your posts and your thinking ;)
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Maat wrote:Hi Ms Mouse,

I agree! That trend of slutty music videos by Disney tarts was very disturbing (Britney Speers and Christina Aguilera) — and the "fashion" spin offs of skimpy clothing for pre-teen girls that followed. :blink:

Oh, and a belated welcome to the forum :D You weren't being ignored, btw, I've been enjoying your posts and your thinking ;)
Thanks dude.

...and it's a total relief to know my ramblings are welcomed, 'cause this whole project is rad... so obviously I aim not to get on everyone's nerves. :P
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No worries, if you just make sure you're up to speed on subjects that may have already been covered in a topic somewhere, you should avoid getting on anyone's nerves. :) Remember you can find most things via the forum search, as well as in specific topics and search within search results.

Oh, and I'm actually a sheila from downunder too ;)
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Maat wrote:.

Oh, and I'm actually a sheila from downunder too ;)
& so am I :)
I liked what you said above too Anonymouse. I'm so over the over sexulisation of everything these days. Hate those Bratz dolls too!
I think over sexulised pop-culture is having a serious impact on girls and young women today, it's sad. It seems to me that many of these video clips and people are promoting "dumb culture" too, there's no substance or depth to the music or video clips.
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New Romantic ! Just another brainwash.
Duran Duran - Planet Earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOmWQuCYufU
Vox - Vienna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U-NHTW2-Ps
..and a great piece of music. Visage..Fade to grey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZiJQL9OLqI

The 'New Romantic' scene was a great idea, as far as TPTB, were concerned.
They some how got the male and female to coalesce into the 'Metro' Man and Women. But, to what end ?
This genre is interesting. Why ? 'cause it talks about that which should not be, but !, which can exist.
But, of course,"that which should not be" is a matter of opinion.
Non-the less.... this music genre is great, in the sense that it takes the listener to that place where the soul resides.
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MsQ wrote:
Maat wrote:.

Oh, and I'm actually a sheila from downunder too ;)
& so am I :)
I liked what you said above too Anonymouse.
Wow. Looks like we have a fine team of downunder sheilas on our Cluesforum ship!

I must (unashamedly) admit that I was - and partly still am - a sucker for the New Romantic/New Wave/Synthpop stuff of the eighties and thereabouts. Here's a bit of nostalgia for you girls - which was introduced to me by a car mechanic from Melbourne that I met in the UK back in the days... I remember the cassette tape he lent me snapped in my car stereo - after overplaying it; I managed to fix the tape with some scotch tape, but of course there was a noticeable glitch in it. My mechanic friend almost beat me up for it! :lol:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTy09veZnBc
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simonshack wrote: I must (unashamedly) admit that I was - and partly still am - a sucker for the New Romantic/New Wave/Synthpop stuff of the eighties and thereabouts. Here's a bit of nostalgia for you girls -
Oh hell yeah! :D ICEHOUSE is still a major favorite of mine :wub:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mkidP2OUCk


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfGh8sYkK_4

And Touch The Fire

B)
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Anonymouse wrote:Hmm, totally interesting thread. I've thought about some of the things you guys bring up, but I don't think anyone's mentioned the whole "mainstreaming of porn" issue, and the role of the music video in that.

Maybe it's my whole post-feminist leaking out, but I remember a time in early high-school when Britney Spears and all them ex-mickey mouse club types were hitting the pop scene...and there was something particularly disturbing about the imagery that went along with it.

It was like I was looking at some kind of pedophile's fantasy world right there on my TV. What better role models for a generation of girls than this Lolita archetype! Child-like and sexually available. Completely and utterly sick. It's like the "kinder whore" look of the grunge era, only stripped of all irony and worn by ACTUAL jail-bait.

Then soon after, the invention of "tweens"...sickening dolls like "Bratz" (seriously, I will NEVER get over that ad campaign that said "Don't theorize! Accessorize!"). It was like there was some concerted effort going on to convince girls to be STUPID...that their value, and power came from how desirable they were.

Typically, the media response is a bunch of token concern about this "disturbing trend"...perhaps a a short interview, or soundbite from a psychologists saying a bunch of really obvious shit, while everything is business as usual. Then there's the contrived "rebellion against the archetype" (i.e. Pink, Avril Lavigne), who are merely stylistic variations on the same theme playing to a slightly different crowd.

So is there a concerted effort to keep people stupid, unquestioning - subtly herding them towards an predictable exploitable "archetype" through popular culture...while at the same time convincing them they're rebelling against the system? Yep, I totally believe it!

It also reminds me of the whole "cool hunting" phenomenon, which gives rise to the commercial exploitation of so-called "sub-culture". It's basically the real-life process of creating neat homogenous (and profitable!) demographics out of the less profitable, and more unpredictable realm of individual expression. So, it's not really even secret that our various "cultures" are being covertly hijacked and pushed through the filter of corporate interest. It's not "mind control" in the traditional sense, but it sure does play a huge role in the construction of consensus reality.

I fully believe there are awesome musos out there with real artistic integrity, but I also think the entertainment industry as a whole is highly agenda'd. I dare say that true talent is only REALLY given support by the mainstream, if their material at MINIMUM poses no threat to their interests at that time.

Anyhow, sincere apologies if this is way too ranty, off-topic, or not of interest.

Brilliant post, Ms Mouse!

I'm afraid that I didn't notice half as much sexploitation of the young until I my two young girls came along. It's a daily challenge to allow them to enjoy music etc without being exploited/influenced by the disgusting commercial music industry. Even that great British iconic institution, Marks & Spencer, had to withdraw thongs for young girls due to the furore they caused.

At least my kids will get to know who and what controls the world. My eldest (8) has already told her mates at school that man didn't go the moon and wonders why I refer to Disney as "evil". :lol:

The education system in the UK is intriguing. The pass levels get better each year yet the intelligence of school leavers gets worse year on year. ;)

Oh, I'm a man BTW and it's good to see a few more women on this forum - so welcome.
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No worries, mate, we're "Ozzies"!


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCPC_5j1Few

One of my all-time favorite live performances.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTGx59dm3XY
We don't serve your country
Don't serve your king
Know your custom, don't speak your tongue
White man came took everyone

We don't serve your country
Don't serve your king
White man listen to the songs we sing
White man came took everything

We carry in our hearts the true country
And that cannot be stolen
We follow in the steps of our ancestry
And that cannot be broken

We don't need protection
Don't need your land
Keep your promise on, where we stand
We will listen we'll understand

Mining companies, pastoral companies
Uranium companies, collected companies
Got more right than people
Got more say than people

http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/midnight- ... yrics.html
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Just to top off the 'Aussie' music section.
A great band, Flowers, or aka Icehouse.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDF6as0nlmU
..and a much underrated act..Pseudo Echo

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HfGu2dUX-0
..and, of course, INXS,when they were good !!

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9WtgZkg6Gg
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Huzzuh! I see that even the continued existence of Steven Conroy can't stop the Aussie invasion of the interwebs! :D

I hope it wasn't inappropriate of me to discuss the whole "anonymous" thing on the The "Wikileaks" farcical comedy thread - but it did make me think of a strangely appropriate Aussie song that seems to perfectly encapsulate the internal tension between /b/tard who are "in it for the lulz", and "moralfags" who have more idealistic motivations.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiHdpAVIHgo


TISM...The actual masterminds behind of Anonymous??? :blink: :blink: :blink:


EDIT: On the previous topic of discussion, this particular TISM song springs to mind:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAOl6Mqh5aw
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fbenario wrote:No worries, mate, we're "Ozzies"!
[The Church - Reptile]

One of my all-time favorite live performances.

[Midnight Oil - The Dead Heart (Live)]
http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/midnight- ... yrics.html
The Church is a really good Aussie band, I like their Under the Milky Way

But Midnight Oil is a ring-in here, mate — they're a bloody perp puppet! <_< I was never impressed with their hard sound, but became very suspicious of that 'protest too much' (disingenuous) image they promoted of supposedly fighting for fashionable causes that made them more popular = $ (Aboriginal land rights, anti-American, anti-nuke & environmentalist ). My suspicions were confirmed when lead wanker, er singer, Peter Garrett became a fucking politician (beginning in 1984)! Ding, ding!
Garrett has modified many of his earlier views and says he is now a "team player" in the Labor Party. He now supports the U.S.-Australia alliance, and no longer opposes the Joint U.S-Australian Defence Facility at Pine Gap.[14] He says he will argue for environmental causes inside the Labor Party, but will observe the decisions of the ALP caucus, including accepting any decision to change Labor's "no new uranium mines" policy.

What a surprise, eh :rolleyes: And Aussie Oil fans call him a "turncoat" not realizing he was obviously a fake all along and just returned to his roots — he grew up in Wahroonga (a North Shore Sydney suburb) and went to Barker College FFS!

FYI, the North Shore area of Sydney is the most exclusive and expensive real estate in NSW.

['ring-in': Aussie slang for substitute, imposter]
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Maat wrote:But Midnight Oil is a ring-in here, mate — they're a bloody perp puppet! <_< I was never impressed with their hard sound, but became very suspicious of that 'protest too much' (disingenuous) image they promoted of supposedly fighting for fashionable causes that made them more popular = $ (Aboriginal land rights, anti-American, anti-nuke & environmentalist ). My suspicions were confirmed when lead wanker, er singer, Peter Garrett became a fucking politician (beginning in 1984)! Ding, ding!
Garrett has modified many of his earlier views and says he is now a "team player" in the Labor Party. He now supports the U.S.-Australia alliance, and no longer opposes the Joint U.S-Australian Defence Facility at Pine Gap.[14] He says he will argue for environmental causes inside the Labor Party, but will observe the decisions of the ALP caucus, including accepting any decision to change Labor's "no new uranium mines" policy.

What a surprise, eh :rolleyes: And Aussie Oil fans call him a "turncoat" not realizing he was obviously a fake all along and just returned to his roots — he grew up in Wahroonga (a North Shore Sydney suburb) and went to Barker College FFS!

FYI, the North Shore area of Sydney is the most exclusive and expensive real estate in NSW.

['ring-in': Aussie slang for substitute, imposter]


Lol. Spot on.

See, I'm feeling increasingly justified in my belief that you just can't trust musos! :P
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