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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby fbenario on Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:39 am

simonshack wrote:Sadly though, even the (mostly 'western'?) members of this forum have little or no interest in talking about / denouncing this obvious fact. I keep hoping more Muslims will join this forum to share their views about this current world of ours - were it only to widen the discourse and let the currently most-framed-group/tribe-of-this-planet have their say.

I assume you're talking about other members. For my part, I detest the omnipresent anti-Muslim miasma of hate speech and intolerance in American public discourse over the last 14 years.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby ICfreely on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:16 am

simonshack wrote:I AM NOT ANYTHING AT ALL...


No, no, no Simon! That's what they'd have you believe!
You're special, I'm special. We're all very special superstars!
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby simonshack on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:59 am

ICfreely wrote:
simonshack wrote:I AM NOT ANYTHING AT ALL...


No, no, no Simon! That's what they'd have you believe!
You're special, I'm special. We're all very special superstars!


Agreed, IC - stars we are!

Just un-photographable ones - much like those that the Apollo crew couldn't even see ! :P

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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby jumpy64 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:28 pm

simonshack wrote:FYI, dear Jumpy, "teriyaki" is a guy who has been tirelessly - and quite effectively too - promoting / diffusing this forum's work (September Clues in primis) all over the internets. He's doing a sterling job - under his "Synergetic67" handle - over at the (quite popular) David Icke forum: http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.p ... 48&page=11

As I can best remember, I got into a little 'rift' with Teriyaki here on this forum - when he started to vent some quite inexplicable negative bias ( or should I say, "racist rants"?) against Muslims - in general... as if Muslims were The Problem in this current world of ours. :rolleyes:


Ciao Simon! I'm sure you had good reason for the rift with the guy (I don't think the Muslims are the problem either), but I must insist that most of the links he provides in his aforementioned posts are essential to what I'm trying to establish here. In fact, I found them while researching if someone had already posted here an article I want to draw attention to in a next post. And actually he had, although I will quote from that article anyway, because I find it very revealing of the mindset I'm trying to investigate.

But before that, I strongly recommend to check out these links to an enlightening and very well written book, whose courageous author (or authress) had to stand trial for sedition in 1944.

The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today


by Elizabeth Dilling

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/whois.html


I.
THE PHARISEES, THE TALMUD,
AND MODERN JUDAISM


http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt01.html


II.
THE TALMUD REVILED


http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt02.html


III.
THE TALMUD AND BIBLE BELIEVERS

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt03.html


IV.
JUDAISM — ANTI-GENTILISM
AND EXPLOITATION OF NON-JEWS

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt04.html


V.
TALMUDIC IMMORALITY, ASININITY AND PORNOGRAPHY:
THE REPROBATE MIND

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt05.html


XI.
JEWS AND MARXISM —
SOCIALISM — COMMUNISM

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt11.html


XII.
THE JEWS AND THE COMMUNIZATION OF RUSSIA

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt12.html


XIII.
MODERN JEWISH “ANTI-COMMUNISM”

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt13.html
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby jumpy64 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:42 pm

simonshack wrote:I keep hoping more Muslims will join this forum to share their views about this current world of ours - were it only to widen the discourse and let the currently most-framed-group/tribe-of-this-planet have their say.


Well, I'm not a Muslim, so I can't speak for them, but I suspect they might share with you links like this:

https://www.radioislam.org/islam/englis ... mophobia-2

Look who they seem to think is behind present "Islamophobia"...
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby Farcevalue on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:39 pm

What is the action item at the top of the list once we have accepted the idea that one or other particular ethnic group, race, religion, sewing circle or whatever, is behind everything?

Do I really need to know the model of car bearing down on me before I jump out of the way?

I have personal affiliations with all sorts of people who share lineage and cultural traits with a variety of the various brands of psychopaths that are perpetrating fraud and oppression on a daily basis. Do I eject them from my life because their distant fourth cousin twice removed through marriage is a central banker or string puller who wouldn't know them if he tripped over them and the effects of his manipulations is causing them the same amount of stress and agitation it does non-affiliates?

I prefer to look at the big picture and do what I can to expose the entire system for the irrational charade that it is.
There are no such things as countries.
Murder is foundational to the system of control and pillage we know as government and until that is understood and rejected, the murder and pillaging will continue under the guise of legitimacy, regardless of who holds the reigns.
Perception is extremely important to the charade of legitimacy because overt force is too messy and costly, so exposing fakery gets us one step closer to rejecting the fallacy of government.
Any system of currency that is backed by the force of law, the full faith and credit of the USG, etc, i.e., murder, is counterfeit and whoever has access to the creation of that currency will enjoy an exponential advantage in imposing their will on others.

But forget all that, we should really be on the lookout for how people dress, or what they eat, or the books they read and the spelling of their last names. And by all means let me know if the next cop who accosts you for some imaginary infraction observes the dress, diet and curriculum of the manipulators. I've yet to see it in the good ol' US of A.
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Re: Ebola baloney

Postby fbenario on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:58 pm

ICfreely wrote:P.S.

To the deeply confused minds trying to crack the AI-ICfreely Alpha-Q-2 code:

Keep dreaming. You can’t even come up with a solution for the three body problem, how are you going to come up with an algorithm for a ‘left-handed, dyslexic, multilinguist’? [/url]

???
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Re: Ebola baloney

Postby hoi.polloi on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:18 am

I believe ICfreely is obtusely suggesting that the AI intelligence gathering programs that DARPA and others may be using the Internet for will have a difficult time trying to imitate ICfreely's posts. I am not so sure that's true, but I would definitely caution readers against broadly stating they can't and won't try to make better AI forum users.

Anyway, I don't think the interjection belongs in the topic. Let's try to move on.

Ebola definitely seems like another "AIDS"-type scare, cautioning people not to get too freaky. There's even another literal connection to AIDS in there, keeping all the hoaxes related to one another, as usual. Interesting take.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby hoi.polloi on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:53 am

I have personal affiliations with all sorts of people who share lineage and cultural traits with a variety of the various brands of psychopaths that are perpetrating fraud and oppression on a daily basis. Do I eject them from my life because their distant fourth cousin twice removed through marriage is a central banker or string puller who wouldn't know them if he tripped over them and the effects of his manipulations is causing them the same amount of stress and agitation it does non-affiliates?


We all do. The cultural dominators have dominated world cultures for as long as we have had "history" it seems. And it seems they may even have deliberately tried to destroy history when it was apparent they were not in charge.

I think the best (and hopefully not only) step we have at our disposal is a great powerful peaceful action — what we are not "supposed" to use but which we exercise here on the forum — what we are constantly discouraged from doing by the cultural appropriation and cultural destruction of the media — make conversation with everyone in our real lives about these topics. Failing that, at least we tried. And if we can prevent laws like the ones Simon has warned us about (or eliminate them), we have succeeded in preserving the freedom of speech just that much more. And that is a huge service to humanity.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby jumpy64 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:08 pm

simonshack wrote:At this point, some readers may ask themselves: "why does Simon Shack so often defend Muslims? Is he a Muslim himself?"
Nope, I'm not. Nor am I a Jew - a Hindu, a Catholic, a Jesuit, a Scientologist - nor ANYTHING AT ALL! Let me spell this out...once again:

I AM NOT ANYTHING AT ALL - other than a (completely independent / unaffiliated / nation-less) person living on this planet.


Knowing you personally, dear Simon, I can say that your position of openness is born of the fact that you are an intelligent, sensitive and loyal person with a big heart. But I think it's also a consequence of your Christian upbringing.

I mean, even if you are not - and weren't educated as - a traditional Christian, you have grown up in a family and in a society deeply influenced by Christian values like respecting and loving other people, and even your "enemies". I'm sure your parents and your teachers have taught you that we are all human beings of equal value, regardless of our superficial differences.

Of course you have spontaneously embraced these teachings since they were in tune with your good nature, because we all know there are people who, having received the same "Christian" conditioning, have done terrible things nonetheless, and some or even many of them could be among the "perps" or their accomplices, no doubt.

We all have dark sides that can become dangerous, if only we feed them, but at least our kind of conditioning doesn't encourage them. On the contrary, it openly condemns them, while at least another conditioning I have pointed at seems to encourage them all right.

And of course I'm aware of the fact that even Christ's message of mutual love and respect has been distorted by the Church to the point of producing terrible evils, especially in the past, but the Church has very soon become a power structure, and we know that power can distort and corrupt anything, if not handled with a strong moral compass.

Nevertheless, the message of Christ as contained in the Gospels is still an essential part of our Western moral compass, also for atheists who, even though they don't believe in anything beyond the material dimension, still recognize that we are all human beings to be equally respected.

And the funny thing to me is that we seem often almost ashamed of acknowledging our Christian conditioning, while other people, who maybe have received a more racist or supremacist kind of conditioning, seem much more proud of it, and feel strongly united by it, particularly at the expense of others.

Could they interpret this as a weakness of our conditioning and maybe encourage it? And couldn't such an encouragement (remember the importance of media control here) be part of their "divide and conquer" strategies? It seems to me a reasonable question. Because it may be much easier to control a bunch of people without a precise identity, even if they are numerically a majority, than another strong, cohesive group united by values that are directly opposed to yours.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby Flabbergasted on Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:26 pm

jumpy64 wrote:Knowing you personally, dear Simon, I can say that your position of openness is born of the fact that you are an intelligent, sensitive and loyal person with a big heart. But I think it's also a consequence of your Christian upbringing [...] the message of Christ as contained in the Gospels is still an essential part of our Western moral compass, also for atheists...

I have no business answering for Simon, but I´d say you are right on the money.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby hoi.polloi on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:15 pm

Many self-proclaimed Christians do not teach permissiveness and kindness and all that. They use an extraordinarily sneaky and hypocritical language. Isn't that just "religion"?

If anything, I've watched plenty of people slowly corrupted by Christian values, by television values (a combination of Jewish values, Christian values, New Age values, experimental science values and other values that the creators don't actually believe but promote, etc.), and so on, even while their surface beliefs sounded quite pleasant or innocent. Most religions come with some sort of 'self-defense' system that promotes inherent superiority of their position, even if many are less overt than others. I think that tendency is often inherent to the person. For example, in the "children swearing allegiance" topics raised here and elsewhere on the forum, most people I know (sorry if I add to intuitive topics with my own) do not actually swear allegiance as adults.

What is absent from American TV (or Hollywood) is a respectful depiction or serious critique of most religions, not to mention Muslim, Shinto, Hindi and so forth. There is an overarching anti-religious "science-ism" slant, though, which is hard to ignore. I agree that having a strong traditional mentality creates a kind of automatic resistance to the slant. It's hard to say whether it's all driven by human nature, the population's tiredness of being bossed around or a deliberate drive by television and Hollywood to market a generic new religion or something else or all of the above.

To me, an inherent character (should they luckily avoid trauma that tips them over one edge or another) responds to all of this by gathering wisdom from the world around them, regardless of its source. It's a religious position itself to claim one religion is inherently superior to another, when that religion suits that individual (or simply an unappealing religion doesn't). Seems like we can go around being "sacred cow tippers", but that doesn't make us much better than what television and Hollywood have been doing, for the most part, for the last few decades if not longer. (Perhaps accurately insane Hasidics from the movie Pi notwithstanding?)

This thread may not be about that, but it seems to have gone there a bit and I want to nudge it back on topic, to the "conspiracy hiding in open Jewish beliefs of superiority". I think that's the problem with having too broad a topic that still hasn't been pinpointed as to what it's about. I think it is the idea that Jews are guilty of controlling the media and that Jews are influenced by a religion that appeals to them, and which reinforces itself with strong control mechanisms like many religions do?

It may be kinda "shotgun" approach to promote religious situations that oppose and support such a conspiracy, but I am not sure there has been an effective argument made for the general reader to intelligently argue (with the least amount of guesswork) about how specific this issue is. It certainly doesn't seem "open". To isolate what evil here is "Jewish" is difficult so far. Also, to say what good things are "Christian" in America, for example, would be quite a feat. The Talmud seems especially important to this topic. It would be great to have more analysis of that. Also, the importance of "anti-semitism" or "hate" laws which have gotten out of control. Child abuse and mistreatment, I suspect, are very important clues. It's too bad for this particular angle to the conspiracy that so many people on the planet have different ideas about what that means. It's about as broad as what constitutes "acceptable" abuse of others, in general. The sciences are a series of belief systems that come with their own inherent understandings (and in my opinion religious understandings). So endorsing a science article endorses its own "science-ism" and religious bias.

I think the "separation of church and state", while referencing a somewhat broken policy, holds some idealistic weight if we really do want "freedom to believe" (that doesn't impose on others' beliefs). And many believe that, and apply that, from a position of power in the government. And even if they have deep-down beliefs, many actually really do not know what they are, and there is a kind of cosmic void within them about it. I wouldn't necessarily respectfully call that a Christian thing, even if it might be.

As "teriyaki taryaki" quoted from Jefferson and Hitler earlier, it is a constant battle to uphold and/or maintain a working republic — but I would add, especially if it was built broken from the start. So, the topic sounds wistful about resisting ... something involving Jewishness. But is that the main complaint? I think it might be more like, "There is an Abrahamic conspiracy at the most corrupt and 'fight or flight' mental part of the core of the three major Abrahamic religions, and it is spelled out in Jewish texts such as the Talmud; this core is part of a cult religion exclusive to few members who pull most of the strings in government, media, banking and the military." Maybe?

Is this a "conspiracy" being referenced, or is it an analysis of the general confluence of various cultures and the veins that connect them to an effective tribal cult that is at the controls of the media? Can we come up with a solid list of perpetrators of this cult? Can we identify the cult? Let us identify the cult and its beliefs and adherents. It's got to include people like Donald Rumsfeld, the Bush family, Chertoff and other Israeli-American dual citizens, and so on. To me, it seems as though Masonry is involved. And since that is usually depicted as an analysis of Abrahamic texts, Jewish studies may be a fine entry point; but the cult is more like an octopus branching here and there into different religions.
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Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby Seneca on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:23 pm

(Original title: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by 1 ethnic group- too long).
I started this topic to avoid further derailing of the topic "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspiracy". I will post some examples of posts I think are excellent for this topic.
This topic is not about me but I will post some information nevertheless. "I am not a Nazi supporter nor was/is any of my ancestors that I know of. I am not Jewish, nor was/is any of my ancestors that I know of. I am not circumcised (not going to prove that yet B) ). I don't know any Jews personally. Based on my intuitions I think that most Jewish people are basically good and I don't have anything against them. I don't have a particular like or dislike for any religion. My cultural background is Christian, Catholic even but I am not baptized. However: I don't like usury, banking monopolies and I think they are morally wrong."
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby Seneca on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:26 pm

Farcevalue wrote:What is the action item at the top of the list once we have accepted the idea that one or other particular ethnic group, race, religion, sewing circle or whatever, is behind everything?

Do I really need to know the model of car bearing down on me before I jump out of the way?

I have personal affiliations with all sorts of people who share lineage and cultural traits with a variety of the various brands of psychopaths that are perpetrating fraud and oppression on a daily basis. Do I eject them from my life because their distant fourth cousin twice removed through marriage is a central banker or string puller who wouldn't know them if he tripped over them and the effects of his manipulations is causing them the same amount of stress and agitation it does non-affiliates?

I prefer to look at the big picture and do what I can to expose the entire system for the irrational charade that it is.
There are no such things as countries.
Murder is foundational to the system of control and pillage we know as government and until that is understood and rejected, the murder and pillaging will continue under the guise of legitimacy, regardless of who holds the reigns.
Perception is extremely important to the charade of legitimacy because overt force is too messy and costly, so exposing fakery gets us one step closer to rejecting the fallacy of government.
Any system of currency that is backed by the force of law, the full faith and credit of the USG, etc, i.e., murder, is counterfeit and whoever has access to the creation of that currency will enjoy an exponential advantage in imposing their will on others.

But forget all that, we should really be on the lookout for how people dress, or what they eat, or the books they read and the spelling of their last names. And by all means let me know if the next cop who accosts you for some imaginary infraction observes the dress, diet and curriculum of the manipulators. I've yet to see it in the good ol' US of A.


I respect your opinion. But the thing is: some people do want to investigate this particular conspiracy. And this is one of the few places in the world (and possibly one of the few moments in history) were this is possible, without fear of censure and without letting the topic turn into a rejection of all Jews and all Jewish achievements.
You are not able to stop this discussion but you are definitely not helping. That's why, after consulting jumpy64, I have started a new topic: "Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by one ethnic group?". Any objections or feelings you have about this can be discussed there. One thing that you could do that would be helpful for this topic is : read the posts correctly, and if anybody here is blaming all the jews then please object. But then you should provide good quotes that are not pulled out of context. As for the links that are provided here, I don't think anyone is ever fully endorsing them. We assume that everyone participating in this forum is acquiring the necessary skills to sift the useful information from the possible misinformation. So I also think it's not useful for this topic to discuss the things these authors say that you don't agree with. Unless by doing so, you want to expose a deception that is relevant to this topic.
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Re: Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by Jews

Postby Seneca on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:28 pm

Farcevalue wrote:What is the action item at the top of the list once we have accepted the idea that one or other particular ethnic group, race, religion, sewing circle or whatever, is behind everything?

Do I really need to know the model of car bearing down on me before I jump out of the way?

I have personal affiliations with all sorts of people who share lineage and cultural traits with a variety of the various brands of psychopaths that are perpetrating fraud and oppression on a daily basis. Do I eject them from my life because their distant fourth cousin twice removed through marriage is a central banker or string puller who wouldn't know them if he tripped over them and the effects of his manipulations is causing them the same amount of stress and agitation it does non-affiliates?

I prefer to look at the big picture and do what I can to expose the entire system for the irrational charade that it is.
There are no such things as countries.
Murder is foundational to the system of control and pillage we know as government and until that is understood and rejected, the murder and pillaging will continue under the guise of legitimacy, regardless of who holds the reigns.
Perception is extremely important to the charade of legitimacy because overt force is too messy and costly, so exposing fakery gets us one step closer to rejecting the fallacy of government.
Any system of currency that is backed by the force of law, the full faith and credit of the USG, etc, i.e., murder, is counterfeit and whoever has access to the creation of that currency will enjoy an exponential advantage in imposing their will on others.

But forget all that, we should really be on the lookout for how people dress, or what they eat, or the books they read and the spelling of their last names. And by all means let me know if the next cop who accosts you for some imaginary infraction observes the dress, diet and curriculum of the manipulators. I've yet to see it in the good ol' US of A.


Seneca wrote:I respect your opinion. But the thing is: some people do want to investigate this particular conspiracy. And this is one of the few places in the world (and possibly one of the few moments in history) were this is possible, without fear of censure and without letting the topic turn into a rejection of all Jews and all Jewish achievements.
You are not able to stop this discussion but you are definitely not helping. That's why, after consulting jumpy64, I have started a new topic: "Why a topic about a conspiracy dominated by one ethnic group?". Any objections or feelings you have about this can be discussed there. One thing that you could do that would be helpful for this topic is : read the posts correctly, and if anybody here is blaming all the jews then please object. But then you should provide good quotes that are not pulled out of context. As for the links that are provided here, I don't think anyone is ever fully endorsing them. We assume that everyone participating in this forum is acquiring the necessary skills to sift the useful information from the possible misinformation. So I also think it's not useful for this topic to discuss the things these authors say that you don't agree with. Unless by doing so, you want to expose a deception that is relevant to this topic.
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