Attempted Airplane Bombing (25/12/09)

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Goodness - now we know why Jasper Schuringa, to the extent he's a real person, is involved.

Airline hero says failed bombing mirrors script

Dutch airline hero Jasper Schuringa says failed bombing similar to script he wrote 8 years ago

The Dutch traveler who has been hailed as a hero for stopping a suspected bomber on a U.S.-bound flight says the whole thing felt like a movie script -- his own.

Jasper Schuringa, a video producer who leapt onto the Nigerian accused of trying to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner, says he wrote a script eight years ago about a failed suicide attack on Amsterdam's airport, the same place from which the Christmas Day flight took off.

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/12/31/airl ... -script-2/
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fbenario @ Jan 1 2010, 04:43 PM wrote: Goodness - now we know why Jasper Schuringa, to the extent he's a real person, is involved.

Airline hero says failed bombing mirrors script

Dutch airline hero Jasper Schuringa says failed bombing similar to script he wrote 8 years ago

The Dutch traveler who has been hailed as a hero for stopping a suspected bomber on a U.S.-bound flight says the whole thing felt like a movie script -- his own.

Jasper Schuringa, a video producer who leapt onto the Nigerian accused of trying to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner, says he wrote a script eight years ago about a failed suicide attack on Amsterdam's airport, the same place from which the Christmas Day flight took off.

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/12/31/airl ... -script-2/
Guys,

The only thing missing now is that one of the guys involved in this BS story had an uncle called Mohamed Atta.

Its called design.

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Enough people have been researching the Haskells, so I searched for links regarding early Canadian witness Shama Chopra, who reported flames almost reaching the ceiling of the plane. I found one photo that looks pretty dicey at http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photo ... 869554.jpg.
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Although there are thousands of links, 99% are references to her post-flight interview, and the rest lead nowhere.

Miz Shama replied to the (apparent) English-language blog of Amitabh Bachchan on November 26, 2008 (does anyone recognize that anniversary?) http://bigb.bigadda.com/?p=987. “LIFE IS WHAT, WE THINK REFLECTS US IN FUTURE. AS PER LAW OF ATTRACTION YOU HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN HAPPINESS TO EVERY ONE BUT AT SOME PLACES MAY BE YOUR POSITIVE VIBRATIONS HAS NOT REACHED YOUR UNIVERSE. YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT THERE IS YOUR SUB CONCIOUS MIND(GENIE) WHO JUST KNOWS THAT YOUR WISH IS HIS COMMAND.SO,I WANT YOU TO VISUALE IN THE PICTURE FORM AND FEEL HAPPY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE. BECAUSE WHAT YOU THINK REFLECTS BACK IN THE FUTURE MAY BE NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE. LIFE IS EASY AND ALWAYZ FEEL HAPPY & THANKFUL FOR WHATEVER YOU HAVE.ALL GOOD THINGS COME TO ME .I KNOW YOU HAVE ALL GOOD THINGS LIKE SUCCESS WEALTH BUT TWO THINGS ARE MISSING LOVE & HEAITH .I ALWAYS WANTED TO WRITE TO YOU BECAUSE WHENEVER I HEAR ABOUT YOUR ILLNESS I FEEL WORRIED BECAUSE YOU ARE OUR COUNTRIES PERCIOUS NAVRATNA AND I WILL ALWAYS PRAY TO GOD YOU ARE ALWAYS WELL. PLEASE DO REPLY” No comment needed. I would just ask why so many Indians would write to Amitabh in the English language.

In 2009 she commented on the blog of Guido Mueller, who is a sim; check out his photo. The content of the blog is absolute rubbish. http://subliminalmentalperception.com/b ... ind-power/.
shama chopra on January 12, 2009 12:03 am Edit This
Thank you very much I always mlike to read your article what ever you writeis the facts but according to me if our focus is proper we can achieve anything in life
Mental Perception on January 13, 2009 4:53 pm Edit This
This is true Shama. Your focus has a lot to do with achieving anything in life.
Also thank you Shama for leaving your comment?you are one out many that I truly appreciate. I am saying this out of true sincerity. My goal is to ultimately make a long time friend out of you!
Mental Perception ? L.L.

She was mentioned in the Vishva Shakti Durga Mandir Association newsletter of June 2006, which says she’s scheduled to perform Mata Ki Choki. Link is durgatemple.ca/downloads/newsletter_jun_2006.doc. Document is corrupted and not downloadable. Cached HTML copy cannot be retrieved by Yahoo.

She signed the Vishnu Mandir temple guestbook, but only a cached link is available in Yahoo, http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF- ... W_7IL1zg--.

There’s a link to an alleged Delhi electoral enrollment document, in English, http://ceodelhi.nic.in/erolls/pdf/engli ... 300057.pdf. Okay, it lists a 19-year-old person of the same name, so it may be legit, but the html version takes you to a copy of the Yahoo search page, which makes me think it’s not legit.

There are links pertaining to a UK 33-year-old by the same name, and these also lead to nothing. UK locate-a-lawyer link cannot be found by Yahoo. Reunion.com link cannot be found by Yahoo.

In summary, there’s nothing, nothing and nothing. Witness Shama Chopra of Montreal seems to be a figment of someone’s imagination.
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D. Duck suggested that because they want us to be looking into this supposed fire on the airplane, maybe we should be looking at other stuff. Thank you, D. Duck, you are great. Google News for December 25 was a gold mine.

Why this flurry of false-flag activity at the end of 2009? Who benefits from it? What do The Powers That Be not want us to notice nor protest?

They want Americans to overlook the fact that their loss of constitutional rights and protection against warrantless search and scrutiny is about to be cast in concrete. Three provisions of the Patriot Act are due to expire. Its proponents hope it will be extended long-term just a few days into the New Year. The intent of the false-flag activity seems to be to frighten Americans so badly that they hide under the bed and beg for Congress to renew the Patriot Act into an Orwellian infinity.

http://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/ ... ation.html Extract: While healthcare still dominates most of the discussion in Washington, DC, Republican Congressman Dan Lungren says he is concerned that some provisions in the U.S.A. Patriot Act will soon expire. "Heightened terrorist activity in recent days and months - from the attempted bombing of a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day to the shootings at Fort Hood, to the murder of a Saudi Arabian border guard by Yemeni insurgents, reveal that our need for robust intelligence gathering tools has not diminished since 9/11," states Lungren. "The U.S.A. Patriot Act has provided those agencies charged with protecting the security of the American people with the authority to combat terrorist activity both at home and abroad." Many of the Patriot Act provisions were set to expire on January 1st, but they were recently given a three month extension. Lungren hopes that a long term extension will be approved shortly after the first of the year.” [author B.J. Hansen]

This is not totally on topic with the above, but it’s instructive. http://www.legitgov.org/shulman_us_post ... 11209.html Extract: In has now been revealed that a similar explosive incident happened on Air Force One when President [sic] George W. Bush's pants caught on fire over New Orleans. The NTSB experts determined the fire was not due to an explosive device in the former president's underwear, but due to the lies he told to lure the US into the war in Iraq. [For non-American readers, this is a reference to the child’s chant, “Liar, liar, pants on fire, hanging from the telephone wire.”] The ACLU is very concerned about more damage being done to the protections afforded by the Bill of Rights. "This is a dark day in America," said Ryman Brillstein of the ACLU, "if this new legislation passes, we will lose one of our most precious rights, keeping it a secret whether we wear boxers or briefs." Senator John McCain disagreed, supporting Patriot Act III. "Like Americans needed to fear communists under the bed in the fifties, and terrorists' drones attacking them after 9-11," McCain said, "we must now be very afraid of exploding Muslim underwear." President Obama is meeting with his advisers as to whether to attack and invade Yemen, the supposed al Qaeda training ground for Abdulmutallab. "We are checking to see if there is enough oil in Yemen to risk putting our military forces in harms way," the President said. [author R. J. Shulman]
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Who the hell is the guy with the silly hat at 01:20 in this video?
Is it normal procedure to interview "eyewitnesses" and leave their names out of the equation?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... n_Airliner
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MartinL @ Jan 2 2010, 01:01 PM wrote: Who the hell is the guy with the silly hat at 01:20 in this video?
Is it normal procedure to interview "eyewitnesses" and leave their names out of the equation?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... n_Airliner
I have no idea! Funny hat + funny accent. Who can this clown be?

According http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... n_Airliner

the suspect, having spent 20 minutes in the toilet, was covered by a blanket (!) when his underpants went on fire in seat 19A, etc, etc. Maybe he changed underpants in the toilet?
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Seems like my 'link YEMEN to ALQUAEDA-theory' wasn't far off the mark...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... Qaeda.html

The other, apparent reason for this false-flag seems to be (please correct me if this is overly simplistic) Obama's desire to unite all intelligence units into one big block, making them more easily manageable, controllable and corruptible then they are today; Take this page from Repubblica, for instance. It basically says that 'Obama is angry and irritated at the intelligence failures'...Even if you don't read Italian, you'll see that, in those few lines, all these entities are mentioned in this article:
THE DNI, the CIA, the NSA, the NTCTC...
http://www.repubblica.it/2009/12/sezion ... yemen.html


Here is the telling, lamely apologetic "message TO EMPLOYEES OF THE
UNITED STATES INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY " from Dennis Blair, the DNI boss:

http://www.dni.gov/
"In coming days we will review what information was available to whom, determine what mistakes were made in assessing or sharing that information, commend those who did their jobs well, and hold accountable those who did not. I have no doubt in our ability to close the gaps that these attacks exposed."
http://www.septemberclues.org
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simonshack 4 Jan 2 2010, 08:41 AM wrote: Seems like my 'link YEMEN to ALQUAEDA-theory' wasn't far off the mark...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... Qaeda.html

The other, apparent reason for this false-flag seems to be (please correct me if this is overly simplistic) Obama's desire to unite all intelligence units into one big block, making them more easily manageable, controllable and corruptible then they are today; Take this page from Repubblica, for instance. It basically says that 'Obama is angry and irritated at the intelligence failures'...Even if you don't read Italian, you'll see that, in those few lines, all these entities are mentioned in this article:
THE DNI, the CIA, the NSA, the NTCTC...
http://www.repubblica.it/2009/12/sezion ... yemen.html


Here is the telling, lamely apologetic "message TO EMPLOYEES OF THE
UNITED STATES INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY " from Dennis Blair, the DNI boss:

http://www.dni.gov/
"In coming days we will review what information was available to whom, determine what mistakes were made in assessing or sharing that information, commend those who did their jobs well, and hold accountable those who did not. I have no doubt in our ability to close the gaps that these attacks exposed."
That the intelligence agencies of the U.S. might be united into a new body, or a new top agency will assume the position, are the suspicions I've had since Dennis Blair was chosen for his job.

My addition would be that Obama isn't doing anything. He's just a willing puppet who was selected long ago and groomed for the position he now occupies. Obama is one of those real life sims.
"It's not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true." - Henry Kissinger
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This discussion is leading nowhere.

It was a staged event, to give reason to attack Yemen, install BodyScanners and maybe re-organize Agencies. Thats it!

Any more questions: Who is the guy with the hat? is just distracting from the facts.

@Simon: Please delete my account I had enough arguing with idiots.
Dont they get proper formal education as agents in the US ?

Good luck everybody and thank you for opening my eyes.
- I have learned here how to analyse pictures, videos and stories
- I have learned how a nice honeypot can keep people away from the real stuff

Bye
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Uranus @ Jan 2 2010, 07:42 PM wrote:
@Simon: Please delete my account I had enough arguing with idiots.
Dont they get proper formal education as agents in the US ?

Uranus - won't do it unless you confirm it by PM B)
You are needed here - as far as I can tell.
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@Simon:
Ok, sorry I was a bit pissed, bcs I thought agents would (like in Matrix) be a real hard competition to fight. But to this Forum they send obviously only trainees without education or experience. If anyone after watching your deep dive into details and reading all your writings and postings still can play naive is beyond my understanding. this is not a fight between equals and I really admire your patience with these lightweights.

Alright, I will try to calm down and not get bothered about distracting posts.
If I feel like leaving I will let you know by pm.

Happy New Year and thanks for your work. You are my Morpheus.

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Sorry, I posted this to the main thread under Solutions, I meant to post it here. I'll delete the other one now.

Hi I was informed by two members of this group that I should join. I was able to pick out some editing in the first Jasper CNN interview and did some more investigation and came up with a lot of information. So I want to introduce myself to everyone and get acquainted with how to post information to the forum and get in contact with the audio video experts in the group to send them the files I've looked at to see what their conclusions would be.

I'm also going to start a media outlet and want everyone to be involved, this is going to be free flow of information and no censorship for people sick of the doggie bowl media fed stuff.

So let me know your thoughts, happy to share stuff. One concern of mine is filtering out "debunkers" who would want to get their hands on inside information that truth seekers are coming to know and go out and post the "debunking" ahead of time to undo any revelations. So I want to keep my information distribution minimal and coordinated with a very select and trusted group to mitigate that. So I wanted to get that out upfront.

So any questions or comments let me know.
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fbenario @ Dec 31 2009, 03:55 AM wrote: Lori, you are one of the most incompetent disinfo agents I've ever run across. Your efforts are so obvious and transparent that they haven't convinced any of us of anything. Here's an article on disinfo tactics:

"Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation"

http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

To actually affect what someone thinks, you will have to get a lot better at doing this. Try being a little more subtle next time - oh, and you actually have to answer, in good faith, direct questions that are posed to you if you want to influence the questioner's view of something. Repeated refusal to answer questions is an automatic tell to your opponents.

I'm guessing/hoping the moderator of this forum has already banned you, since you have already set a record for highest number of lies posted in one day.
Lori, these people are obvious Cointelpro. You don't deserve to go through this after the ordeal you had to deal with in almost losing your life on Christmas day.
Cointelpro is an FBI operation which is set up to discredit,defame and destroy
anyone who is a danger to exposing government wrong doing.They have even
moved on over to Dr.Ron Paul site the Daily Paul and are spreading their embarassing WTC Twin Tower no planer trickery disinformation to make truthers
look like wackos. I would advise you to discontinue answering these people's
absurd insinuations.


Regards,
Lowgen
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lowgens02 @ Jan 3 2010, 11:30 AM wrote:
fbenario 4 Dec 31 2009, 03:55 AM wrote: Lori, you are one of the most incompetent disinfo agents I've ever run across. Your efforts are so obvious and transparent that they haven't convinced any of us of anything. Here's an article on disinfo tactics:

"Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation"

http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

To actually affect what someone thinks, you will have to get a lot better at doing this. Try being a little more subtle next time - oh, and you actually have to answer, in good faith, direct questions that are posed to you if you want to influence the questioner's view of something. Repeated refusal to answer questions is an automatic tell to your opponents.

I'm guessing/hoping the moderator of this forum has already banned you, since you have already set a record for highest number of lies posted in one day.
Lori, these people are obvious Cointelpro. You don't deserve to go through this after the ordeal you had to deal with in almost losing your life on Christmas day.
Cointelpro is an FBI operation which is set up to discredit,defame and destroy
anyone who is a danger to exposing government wrong doing.They have even
moved on over to Dr.Ron Paul site the Daily Paul and are spreading their embarassing WTC Twin Tower no planer trickery disinformation to make truthers
look like wackos. I would advise you to discontinue answering these people's
absurd insinuations.


Regards,
Lowgen
And I would also like to add, that it is atrocious to call a lady the kinds of names that you people have called her. I saw one person making a reference to her large neck or something to that effect. WTF? The FBI is not cooperating, even Kurt wrote on Lori's blog that he is baffled as to why the Amsterdam Airport hasn't
released any of the security videos yet. Why would a shill volunteer such a request? They would just NOT bring it up. The people that should be grilled
are the FBI,U.S Customs,ICTS Security and so forth, but why are you grilling
a married couple who are asking the same questions that you want answered
as well? And for god sake let the f*cking WTC Twin Tower No Planer TV trickery
thing go as well. I received word by private by a 30 year experienced pilot and
he said that there were planes, they were the size of commercial airliners but
they were Military grade planes designed NOT break apart by the combo of
500 mphr speeds flying at sea level.Those planes had PODS underneath the
rightside of the belly.Ala the Northwoods Operation and the movie Lone Gun
Man and with the film footage of the EB4 Doomsday plane which has remote
control capabilities which explains the PODS. I do believe that there were
no planes involved with the Pentagon and Shanksville though. Please let
up on Lori and Kurt a bit,give them a chance at least and refrain from calling
them names. She is a lady and she should be treated as such.
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