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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by HonestlyNow » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:46 am

Mansur wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:06 am
The fact that people died shortly after vaccination does in no way mean that they died because of the shot.
I have nothing to say but that my brain can't fathom this line of thinking.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by simonshack » Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:40 pm

Mansur wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:06 am

The ‘muddying the waters’ is indeed in the attitude with which almost all the ‘oppositional’ voices ‘approach’ the problem.
Indeed, Mansur, indeed (if I correctly interpret your words - but I probably don't). When someone croaks a few hours or days after a Con-vid jab, the oppositional voices do all they possibly can to muddy the waters. Let me tell you a sad story:

A few weeks ago, my old friend Fausto (same age as yours truly) died quite unexpectedly - in the sense that he was probably the strongest & healthiest man I knew of. Fausto was a truffle-hunter [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle ] and spent his entire life in the open air, in the green mountains and woods of Abruzzo. Although his parents are farmers of humble origin, Fausto was quite the intellectual, prolific book reader and extremely health-conscious type and never ever - as far as I know - even took an aspirin. I was alerted of his passing by a common friend, Enrico, who called me by phone with the sad news. By the end of the phone call, I asked Enrico if he knew whether Fausto had perhaps taken the (now virtually mandatory) jab. Enrico replied: "Naaah, don't think so - you know what a health-freak Fausto was, right? He never even took a pill - let alone any injectable drug". I agreed - and just asked him a last question: HOW did it happen, was he hospitalized or what? Enrico replied that no, Fausto had died - all of a sudden - at home: he had told his younger brother that he felt unwell, went to bed, and never woke up. "Probably a stroke or a heart attack..."

The next day, another common friend (Maurizio) calls me on the phone - to share the same sad news. As we both mused about why such a particularly strong and fit man like Fausto would have died in such a sudden way, Maurizio tells me what follows:"You know, I spoke with that bitch Caterina yesterday and she told me Fausto had taken the jab a few days earlier." Now, please know that this Caterina (and her silly and unpleasant boyfriend) had both happily taken their jabs a couple of months ago - and had actually been boasting & celebrating about it on Facebook (something which, needless to say, had utterly appalled me...). This is to say that Caterina cannot be suspected to be a no-vaxxer who would tell lies in order to 'muddy the vaccines'. As it is, she and her boyfriend constantly hanged out with Fausto - and my worst, heart-wrenching suspicion now is that the two of them somehow convinced Fausto to 'comply'...

So this is my personal 'firsthand' tale of a probable post-vax victim - but I've heard of at least a dozen of 'secondhand' tales from close, most trustworthy friends of sudden deaths / or serious post-vax injuries. I find it very hard to believe that those horror tales are all made up out of thin air.

In any event, Mansur, what the heck are we talking about: vaccines? Well, vaccines have killed & maimed millions of people ever since that Jenner jackass invented them. It's nothing new: they are toxic broths. And no, none of them have eradicated any "viral dis-eases" (as we are constantly told) - of this we can be certain. To say loud and clear "AVOID ALL VACCINES LIKE THE PLAGUE" is certainly not "fear-porn" in my book. It's just plain (and well-informed) common sense.

Having said that, is there fear-porn involved (from BOTH sides of the 'propaganda spectrum') in these wretched pandemic psyops, Mansur? Of course there is - but seeing how your mind apparently works, you might as well accuse yours truly of "fear-porning" for saying that no one died on 9/11. Oh well, I WAS actually accused (by "9/11 truthers") of being a shill for saying that back in the days - so nothing surprises me anymore...

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by antipodean » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:02 am

Hi Simon sorry to hear about your friend Fausto.
The saddest thing about it all is that he had no need to have the vaccine.
Had he decided to not take the vaccine, his life and health would have been no different to what it was.

Down here in NZ there are now a few Public Service Departments, where staff have been mandated to get vaxed by October 30th or have no job.

Mansur could well be someone who's been reluctantly coerced into being jabbed.
A lot of people are going to feel crushed.

We have to feel for those who have literally had a gun held to their head.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by Flabbergasted » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:35 am

Having a demented coot like Biden for their unelected president must be a monumental embarrassment for Americans worthy of the epithet. In this talk Biden advises residents of Florida and Texas to prepare for the hurricane season by getting vaxxed! In the rest of the video (which I don´t have) he reportedly goes on to explain that unvaxxed people winding up in post-hurricane shelters will be at great risk of con-vid infection. Florida and Texas happen to be places where the clot shot isn´t too popular.

https://rumble.com/vo1zx5-bidens-advice.html

One wonders: who ISN´T on the pharmaceutical lobby's payroll?

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by kickstones » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:27 pm

kickstones wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:24 pm
Kyrie Irving has gotten a lot of media attention recently for his 'Anti-vax' stance.
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2132&start=945#p2415799
October 14, 2021 / 6:53 AM / CBS/AP

Kyrie Irving said Wednesday he didn't want to lose salary or a chance to compete for a championship with the Brooklyn Nets, but was doing "what's best for me" by refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine.


From comments...

He either “dies from the Delta 4.7 +” or, pretends to get both shots and 10 boosters. A glorified Wiggins situation .


Funny how this character doesn’t state any real reasons for not wanting to take this killer jab like all of the ill-effects (particularly death) that people are experiencing from taking this poison. Instead, the focus is on giving up a “dream” and losing 16 million. Controlled op psyop.

The media attention continues (see below) and Is it not strange that the UK MSM, who for months on end have failed to highlight any ongoing mass protests in Europe, suddenly highlight a minor protest at a US basketball hall for Kyrie Irving.



From the UK leading Government propaganda rag the Gates funded Guardian......




‘Let him play’: Pro-Kyrie Irving protesters forced back from Brooklyn Nets arena
11:50 pm · 24 Oct 2021

All-Star guard not playing for team after refusing Covid vaccine
New York City mandate prohibits unvaccinated players

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Demonstrators supporting Brooklyn Nets guard Kyrie Irving gathered outside Barclays Center on Sunday before the team’s home opener.

A few dozen people were in the plaza outside the arena, some chanting “Let Kyrie play! Let Kyrie play!” and holding signs that said “Stand with Kyrie.”

Protester Curtis Orwell said he and others were fighting for “bodily autonomy and sovereignty,” and the right to choose what goes in their bodies.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... ays-center

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by simonshack » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:31 pm

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DO YOU THINK THAT VACCINES DESIGNED TO KILL PEOPLE IS SOMETHING NEW? THINK AGAIN !


Who remembers Jonas Salk, the "father of the polio vaccine" which allegedly eradicated the crippling disease?
To be sure, the polio vaccine keeps being touted (still today) by vaccine-believers as "PROOF" of the efficacy of vaccines.

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Well, it turns out that this world famous jewish "genius hero who saved millions of lives" was a eugenecist who wished to reduce the world's population. Funny, isn't it?

Don't believe it? Well, here's a short video-review of Jonas Salk's book titled "THE SURVIVAL OF THE WISEST":

https://fakeotube.com/video/4159/2021-1 ... ation-_360

Image2021-10-24_AmazingPolly - SHOCKING! Polio Vaccine 'Hero' was into Eugenics and Depopulation!_360

Mark my words: ALL vaccines should be eradicated from the face of this planet. Period. Health / or illness protection cannot be injected in human bodies.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by Mansur » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:02 am

I feel, dear Simon, some problems in your (former) post.

First, the case described is not a ʹfirst-handʹ experience. It’s been gathered by hearsay. Be that as it may, can we say or think that just because something being ʹfirst-hand,ʹ it is true in every detail as a result? Is it not that just the ʹfirst hand accountʹ is the very thing that must be questioned to all its minutest details? - Obviously, everyone here has ‘first-hand’ experiences of ‘first-hand accounts’ of people who are said to have been victims of the epidemic. Should we apply a different measure to vaccination victims?

Secondly, a lifelong robust health does not mean or guarantee a long life - just as incessant illness or invalidism does not predict a short life or near death. I’ve had only a few people in my life to know, but still I could give examples of these - and so it is natural to assume that others could have similar cases in their own personal experiences or lives and memories.

Thirdly, perhaps one is right to be surprised hearing that a super-healthy person being destroyed by something which millions and millions of elder people, naturally most with a series of acute health problems, and generally about the two-thirds or so of the entire population, could get over almost unnoticed.

(And, perhaps, the way you raised 9/11 is somewhat contradictory.)
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Not to be an ʹanti-vaxxerʹ is not the same as to be a ʹpro-vaxxer,ʹ is it? Simply because I agree with them in one single thing, it is no reason to promoting them in their other businesses, - the many things they are saying and especially they are doing – which disgust me to the extreme.

If someone asks me, maybe I can answer him. But well, no one asked me. For each of my groping questions, I had to experience the ʹpride or loftiness of the deceivedʹ - if there is such a phrase at all:
Flabbergasted wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:40 pm
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The problem with this thing above (and not a small one) is that if we do not preach ʹawakeningʹ with an actual and real attitude of ʹawakening,ʹ the effect in the listener is generally exactly the opposite of what one might hope for.

And propagandists know this very well.

Nothing is as easy as manipulating those who do not think. And sorry to say, there is nothing we can do about it. But, manipulating the intelligentsia doesn’t seem to be too much harder either. Some kind of kung-fu.

The quote above refers evidently to the learned ones, they are the addressed not the common people, the later being used very much to do what they are told and to shrug away deceits perpetrated at their costs.

Besides, when this sentence was taken down (if Mark Twain is really its author about which to doubt doesn’t seem reasonable here) both the mass media and the mass media consuming masses were still simply nonexistent; but newspapers of course did exist and MT in some measure was a journalist himself, - if memory serves.
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simonshack wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:40 pm
To say loud and clear "AVOID ALL VACCINES LIKE THE PLAGUE" is certainly not "fear-porn" in my book. It's just plain (and well-informed) common sense.
Of course no one here in this forum would disagree with this (to avoid the vaccine), - but why the loudness (which works always against clearness) and the all caps and the use of the image of the plague?

There are many vaccines routinely administered, even to babes. Are they by certain well informed common sense judged as safe and harmless? What makes the difference in the case of present vaccine? Does the ʹhealth care systemʹ produce more victims now than it did before?

If you, Simon, have lost friends, well, other people may also have lost friends - wives and husbands, as also in previous years and decades, - and have been in the all caps mood only as to the epitaph.

I'm not hugging the term ʹfear pornʹ but think that such uniform or uniformed slogans like this one above play definitely into the hands of the impostors. There are no more reasons to toll the knell now amidst this ʹplagueʹ than was, say, two years ago.
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I don’t know (to answer ʹantipodeanʹ) the dilemma of the ʹjob or jabʹ myself, haven’t even seen anyone flouncing between the scales but when I try to imagine one I feel great sympathy with him. That seems to be an exceptionally remarkably problem or situation – and just because of that a suspicion may be legitimate! (Nothing could be more remote to the interests of ʹtptbʹ than that people see real problem and draw real conclusion and make real decision.) And in spite of my sympathy I have no advice. - Maybe they should wait to the last minute, maybe even a minute further after the last.


There is a thought haunting me from day one: is it ethical to ʹavoid the plagueʹ at all?

Letʹs assume I am convinced that with present vaccine one takes significant risks, and I see at the same time that the power (which is to consider leisurely as a natural force) coerce and intimidate the public with every possible way to take it and that it will evidently triumph with all these, - then I must know myself to be not only amidst a real pandemic or ʹplagueʹ but in a much-much more serious situation.

So how to keep health (job or not job) – and integrity at the same time? To obey blindly, not to act according to oneʹs principle and conscience, is of course also unethical. - Don't seem a simple problem - it's obviously much easier to get involved in a community act.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by Flabbergasted » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:20 pm

anonjedi2 wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:02 am
I would like to draw your attention to these these 2 Demons - Scott Gottlieb and James Smith.
Information easily drowns in the many pages of the forum. The dots connected in the above post by anonjedi2 are of crucial importance. Rereading the post and exploring the links is well worth the time and effort.

Link : viewtopic.php?p=2415605#p2415605

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by kickstones » Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:13 am

There may well be an ulterior motive and talk of a 'virus', but still, it's refreshing to hear a powerful speech from a politician that's very much to the point:

Christine Anderson German MEP speaks for two minutes on vaccines and the intention of governments


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnGntLmPRE

Full speech:

"All through Europe, governments have gone to great length to get people vaccinated. We were promised the vaccinations will be a “game changer”, and it will restore our freedom…turns out none of that was true. It does not render you immune, you can still contract the virus and you can still be infectious.

The only thing this vaccine did for sure was to spill billions and billions of dollars in the pockets of pharmaceutical companies.

I voted against the digital green certificate back in April, unfortunately it was adopted nonetheless, and this just goes to show there is only a minority of MEPs who truly stand for European values. The majority of MEPs, for whatever reasons unbeknown to me, obviously support oppression of the people while claiming – shamelessly – to do it for the people’s own good.

But it is not the goal that renders a system oppressive it is always the methods by which the goal is pursued. Whenever a government claims to have the people’s interest at heart, you need to think again.

In the entire history of mankind there has never been a political elite sincerely concerned about the well-being of regular people. What makes any of us think that it is different now? If the age of enlightenment has brought forth anything then, certainly this: never take anything any government tells you at face value.

Always question everything any government does or does not do. Always look for ulterior motives. And always ask cui bono?, who benefits?

Whenever a political elite pushes an agenda this hard, and resort to extortion and manipulation to get their way, you can almost always be sure your benefit is definitely not what they had at heart.

As far as I’m concerned, I will not be vaccinated with anything that has not been properly vetted and tested and has shown no sound scientific evidence that the benefits outweigh the disease itself in possible long-term side effects, which to this day we don’t know anything about.

I will not be reduced to a mere guinea pig by getting vaccinated with an experimental drug, and I will most assuredly not get vaccinated because my government tells me to and promises, in return, I will be granted freedom.

Let’s be clear about one thing: No one grants me freedom for I am a free person.

So, I dare the European Commission and the German government: Throw me in jail, lock me up and throw away the key for all I care. But you will never be able to coerce me into being vaccinated if I, the free citizen that I am, choose not to be vaccinated."

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by antipodean » Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:21 am

Thought I'd go and visit my local vaccination centre today make a booking and just check out the procedure.
Whilst there I showed the nurse a copy of the time line of the anaphylactic attacks I've had over the years.

She went and got the Doctor, who asked when I was last vaccinated.
I said 1988 when I back packed in Asia.
I went home then returned with my 1988 WHO vaccination passport. All my attacks started in 1988 shortly after these old vaccinations.
Not to worry said the Doctor, we advise you to be vaccinated in a Hospital setting, just in case you have an attack and need urgent treatment.
Wouldn't it be safer to just not be vaxed."Oh no we can't issue exemptions for anaphylaxis".
The world has gone mad.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by animus » Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:59 am

sharpstuff wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:52 pm
Another issue with vaccines is that we do not know what is 'in them'.
sharpstuff wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:24 am
I don't care what is supposedly in the 'vaccine', the fact of injecting anything into a body, whether it be an insect sting or needle, they must have their dangers to the susceptible whatever the intentions are.
Exactly! Look at the situation with a clear mind: No private person is allowed to buy a vaccine vial in order to independently analyze it himself. In nature, a person should be able to choose by his own authority what kind of substance he (or she) inserts into his own body. Common sense should tell us that an unknown liquid inserted by brute force - like a needle - is an invasion to the bodily integrity.
Bodily integrity is the inviolability of the physical body and emphasizes the importance of personal autonomy, self-ownership, and self-determination of human beings over their own bodies. In the field of human rights, violation of the bodily integrity of another is regarded as an unethical infringement, intrusive, and possibly criminal. (Wikipedia)
A woman would claim sexual harassment when being hassled against her will by a guy who wants to put his dick into her body and release his liquids. So likewise, all citizens should be given the freedom to claim harassment and rape when being hassled by politicians and scientists who want to put their needle into private citizen's bodies and release who-knows-what liquid.
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Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:24 am
Speculations are added to the mix of mis/dis information, such as nano-particles, graphene or whatever and these snippets are discussed by the ignorati and do not help any sensible arguments against vaccination and detract from purely rejecting them on the grounds that they cannot work in the first place, end of story. Also, there is the plethora of other forms of treatment for this current 'virus', this also adds to the confusion around vaccines and vaccination.
Dr. Carrie Madej (Internal Medicine Doctor) is raising her voice on vaccines in connection with transhumanism. I do agree with her in many points but the overall presentation of it makes it rather clear that we are dealing with yet another limited hangout. I did like how she outright compared the microneedle platform with a snake's fangs. Considering the bigger picture, this is a very apt comparison. However, as I understand, the main purpose for microneedle platforms is that of contraception.

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And the idea of contraception via needle/vaccine is already decades old:
Summary:
A birth control vaccine incorporating a synthetic peptide antigen representing the aminoacid sequence 109 145 of the C-terminal region of the β subunit of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG-β) was submitted to a phase 1 clinical trial. Thirty surgically sterilised female volunteers, divided into five equal groups for different vaccine doses, received two intramuscular injections six weeks apart. Over a six-month follow-up there were no important adverse reactions, and potentially contraceptive levels of antibodies to hCG developed in all subjects. In the highest vaccine dose group, the results gave promise of a contraceptive effect of six months’ duration.

Introduction:
SINCE 1974, the Task Force on Birth Control Vaccines of the World Health Organisation (WHO) Special Programme of Research, Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction has promoted the development of a contraceptive vaccine directed against the pregnancy hormone human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG). There are several possible mechanisms by which such a vaccine might exert antifertility effects. One is the stimulation of antibodies that neutralise the luteotropic action of the target hormone/ antigen. This would result in regression of the corpus luteum and disruption of the peri-implantation embryo, leading to an apparently normal menstruation. Another possible action is by a direct antibody-mediated or cellmediated cytotoxic effect on the hCG-producing cells of the peri-implantation blastocyst.
Whatever the mode of action of such a vaccine, data in the marmoset and the baboon established the principle that immunity to hCG is capable of blocking fertility at an early stage of pregnancy with no discernible alterations in the menstrual cycle. This method, therefore, could be a highly acceptable birth control strategy in both developed and developing countries.
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Source: PHASE I CLINICAL TRIAL OF A WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION BIRTH CONTROL VACCINE, published by The Lancet, June 11, 1988
(The Lancet is a weekly peer-reviewed general medical journal and is among the world’s oldest and best-known general medical journals.)
Healthy human beings should not have any problems conceiving a child, yet I know several people in my immediate environment who told me about problems related to conception. Statistics on the number of people with these kinds of problems are frightening. So this matter should get MUCH more attention, even more than autism.
Speaking of which, it should be noted that the CDC openly admitted in 2012 that they "have not studied vaccinated versus unvaccinated."
Congressman Bill Posey: I wonder if the CDC has conducted or facilitated a study comparing vaccinated children with unvaccinated children yet. Have you done that?
CDC's Dr. Coleen Boyle: [First hesitating to answer, then followed by bla-bla-bla]
Congressman Bill Posey: So clearly, definitely, unequivocally, you have studied vaccinated versus unvaccinated?
CDC's Dr. Coleen Boyle: We have not studied vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

Source: OGR Full Committee Hearing: “1 in 88 Children: A Look into the Federal Response to the Rising Rates of Autism”, November 29, 2012 (video)
Again, with a clear mind and common sense: Before injecting a whole population with a substance, this substance should be thoroughly tested. And the most basic of all scientific tests should be comparing someone who got injected with someone who didn't. And yet here we have the US nation's own health protection agency outright admitting to have simply skipped this basic test.
To dumb it down with an analogy: A Native American chief stumbles upon a new kind of mushroom - a plethora of them to feed a whole village. He knows that mushrooms can be poisonous. Yet without having anyone take a small bite of one first in order to test if this kind of mushroom is edible at all, he instructs his entire village to swallow them whole. THIS is what the CDC has done to the American people when they gave the green light to the vaccines.

And with these two quoted facts above, my trust in top scientists on the topic of vaccines has become NULL.
That said, I also like to think a few steps ahead to see where things are going with this self-destructing species. And the direction we are taking is DEFINITELY that of transhumanism. However, we don't NEED to speculate and elaborate on 5G, nanostuff, etc. in order to stop this ethically evil campaign of forced vaccination. Most people won't be able to comprehend it anyway. --But we must find a way SOMEHOW to help people break out of their mentally imprisoned, brainwashed state.
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Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:24 am
We need to just say: VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST! and be done with it. Print that as massive headlines on your favourite rag (newspaper) and see a change of attitude.

If people want to convince or enforce others to accept that ‘germs’ or ‘viruses’ exist, demand of them to demonstrate absolute proof of their existence and their ability to create so-called dis-eases before confining themselves to foisting their notions upon others.
I wanted to ask if you CF guys could please provide me with the absolute MUST-READ texts or MUST-WATCH videos that your forum either worked out themselves or found on the Internet. If some half-witted citizen from the street were to ask you, "give me your best information to understand the Covid-19 situation as clear as possible, prioritized such that I can follow your train of thoughts," what would you give him to read or watch?
Your forum is a little bit messy, which of course is normal, since it follows a natural timeline of your findings. But to my knowledge it doesn't provide any step-by-step, explanatory "reader's digest" with the crème de la crème of evidence, which is to say, cold facts & solid proof. That would be one hell of a link to share on the Internet, don't you think?

I am talking about a single post or PDF to summarize your research results. You guys know best who posted what and where.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by patrix » Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:11 pm

One thing is vital to understand regarding Corona/Covid:

No virus has ever been scientifically confirmed to exist.

And this fact does not only expose Covid for the giant hoax that it is, but also most of 20th century medicine. Contagion, the cholesterol hypothesis and the cancer-gene theory is also unconfirmed by the way.

This also makes it rather pointless I'd say to speculate about secret ingredients in the vaccines. The list of ingredients declared on the labels are perfectly capable of causing the illnesses and deaths that's occurring. And since only the names of the toxins but not the amounts are declared, it's perfectly possible that they vary between different doses and thus are creating a Russian roulette game. Some will have no side effects and others will die soon after a shot.

Also allow me to explain what efficacy means in vaccine studies. Contrary to popular belief it has nothing to do with preventing disease or their symptoms. It is merely an indication of how effectively a vaccine creates a so called immune response. This is a reaction that when studied under a microscope shows how cells eject small particles. And this is called "creation of antibodies". What's interesting however is that vaccines has to contain toxins like mercury or formaldehyde or similar substances, to create this so called immune response. Furthermore it's never been confirmed that this immune response prevents disease or its effects. That is merely an assumption. I'd say a more reasonable hypothesis is that an immune response are cells reacting to toxins. This hypothesis is supported by the fact that vaccines has to contain poisons to "stimulate" the immune system to produce the response.

Another interesting term in vaccine studies is "safe". A vaccine is deemed to be safe if it causes no more neurological disorders and other illnesses than an existing vaccine or a so called "controlled placebo". A controlled placebo, also contrary to popular belief is no actual placebo. It's the vaccine with it's mercury and formaldehyde like ingredients present but with the component assumed to be active substance removed. It may sound strange but this is no different from saying jabbing people with donkey pee is safe and effective since studies has been conducted that confirms cells react when subjected to it, and when pee from donkeys that didn't eat carrots (since this is what the scientists assumes makes the donkey pee effective) was injected into a control group it caused a similar amount of adverse effects as in the group that was injected with the "effective" brew.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by rusty » Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:34 pm

patrix wrote:
Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:11 pm
One thing is vital to understand regarding Corona/Covid:

No virus has ever been scientifically confirmed to exist.

...This is a reaction that when studied under a microscope shows how cells eject small particles. And this is called "creation of antibodies". ...

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I think this discussion rather belongs to our thread The origins of the VIRUS idea, so please move if not appropriate here.

One thing I understood (or so I think) in the course of the last year is the following: The so called "viral diseases" are mostly defined and distinguished by the type of proteins involved in the course of the illness. There are many possible different types of proteins. Also it is known for a very long time (reaching back to the 1950s), that there is a close correlation between certain proteins and certain nucleic acids (DNA/RNA sequences). It is generally assumed that the body needs this specific RNA/DNA to produce specific proteins. In our DNA, the parts that are correlated to the creation of proteins are called the coding sequences. I consider it well possible that by inserting a substance carrying artificially generated RNA into body cells you can incite them to produce certain types of proteins, at least for some time.

So, in most cases, a "viral" disease is defined serologically by a triplet of indicators:
1. At least one "antigen" (ANTIbody-GENerating) protein
2. At least one "antibody" protein, more or less the "opposite" to the antigen (with the ability to "bind" and "neutralize"). Often, different "antibodies" appear verifiably in different stages of an illness
3. RNA/DNA sequences of nucleic acid, correlating with the antigen protein

That's it, basically. Everything else is just theory. You can build test kits for all three of them, which are pretty specific. The tests for proteins are not "looking up something under the microscope" but are probably based on the binding ability of those proteins. I think we should acknowledge at least that this may be a diagnostic instrument that might help distinguish disease conditions in some cases. However, it tells us nothing about the root cause of an illness. At best it tells us that patient A has a very similar disease to patient B, but not very similar to patient C. By gaining more knowledge and understanding about the role and function of these proteins we could also learn to understand why the body is producing them.

The bogus science of virology is confusing a lot of stuff. Some things must be understood in this context:
1. No specific virus has ever been truly isolated as a complete entity in large numbers (as pointed out multiple times by several members of this forum)
2. Assuming that an inert piece of protein-coated nucleic acid can be viewed as some sort of "species replicating itself by fooling cells to reproduce it" is such a stretch of thoughts that I can't really fathom any thinking intelligent being coming up with this kind of BS.
3. Many proteins have toxic qualities for several reasons, so the body tries to get rid of them, e.g. by building neutralizing "antibodies". This may also apply to excess proteins produced by the body itself once they fulfilled their primary purpose
4. Initially (before 1950), viruses were thought of as toxic proteins only. These are supposedly created by a sick patient and can be "shed" to other persons, thus "infecting" them. This may be a bit closer to the truth than the "genetic" interpretation of viruses we have since the 1950s, but still faces the problem that it cannot explain how this "shedding" alone could lead to a long chain of infections
5. The phenomenon of "collective" diseases, often with a locally and temporally confined focus, which we also call contagion, communication or infection, is statistically well proven to exist, but the mechanisms are largely unknown. If disease is understood as a "corrective" process rather than something caused by "evil" germs, the communication of it to other individuals in the same environment seems totally plausible and reasonable (to me, at least).

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by simonshack » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:27 pm

antipodean wrote:
Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:21 am
Thought I'd go and visit my local vaccination centre today make a booking and just check out the procedure.
Whilst there I showed the nurse a copy of the time line of the anaphylactic attacks I've had over the years.

She went and got the Doctor, who asked when I was last vaccinated.
I said 1988 when I back packed in Asia.
I went home then returned with my 1988 WHO vaccination passport. All my attacks started in 1988 shortly after these old vaccinations.
Not to worry said the Doctor, we advise you to be vaccinated in a Hospital setting, just in case you have an attack and need urgent treatment.
Wouldn't it be safer to just not be vaxed."Oh no we can't issue exemptions for anaphylaxis".
The world has gone mad.
Dear Antipodean,

I thought I was by now somewhat prepared to hear the most absurd stories regarding denied vax exemptions... Yet, your personal experience truly shocks me! Good Lord... ANYONE knows that anaphylaxis is very much a (potentially) deadly event.

To all readers: please know that our veteran Cluesforum member "Antipodean" lives in New Zealand.

Well, last time I checked the official W.H.O. "Covid mortality" of New Zealand (a few weeks ago), there were no more than 26 "covid victims"! Yes, twenty-six!

This world has TRULY gone mad.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by antipodean » Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:58 am

Thanks Simon, your support means a lot to me. As I try and navigate my way through this via the Employment Courts etc.

My place of employment has been given a Government order, that all staff have to be vaccinated.

And to make things more ridiculous you have to get your head around the Catch 22 situation of, if you do have an anaphylactic attack you are advised not to take the 2nd follow up injection.(as though it's some reward for having risked your life)

It's quite obvious that all the Government want is to ensure that you get onto their vax data base, by at least having the first injection.

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