Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby simonshack on Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:54 pm

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NASA - and its Single Pilot Operations concept (SPO)

I remember an old joke from maybe 30 years ago which went a bit like this: A flight full of passengers takes off from Tokyo [back then, Japan was considered / perceived as the world's "top electronics manufacturer / innovator"). After a few minutes of flight, a mellifluous yet confident voice is heard from the in-flight audio speakers: "Good evening, ladies and gents, this is your electronic captain speaking. You are the lucky passengers of the first ever fully automated, pilot-less, electronically-controlled flight in history. Thanks to this innovative technology, we have eliminated all human-related hazards of flying - such as pilot error and the like. In the name of our proud airline, I welcome you on board and wish you a very pleasant flight...*crackle*...ery pleasant flight...*crackle*...ery pleasant flight...*crackle*...ery pleasant flight..."

Now, a pen pal of mine just wrote me the other day, speculating that we may not be too far away from such a scenario. So, you may ask, are they planning to do away with commercial pilots altogether? No, but it is a fact that the folks at (who else?) NASA are hard at work in doing away with co-pilots (aka First Officers) with a project called "SPO" (Single Pilot Operation concept). Why? Well - that's a good question, which I'll let you assess and evaluate for yourself.

Here, on "AVIATION WEEK", you can read about the SPO concept (a long article only for the truly interested):
"NASA Advances Single-Pilot Operations Concepts": http://aviationweek.com/technology/nasa ... s-concepts

Here, also on "AVIATION WEEK", you can read a shorter article directly related to the Germanwings 'incident':
"Germanwings Crash: Can Single-Pilot Operations Combat An Uncooperative Cockpit?" http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... ve-cockpit

In short, the SPO concept goes like this - and this is what your future will be (if NASA has its way) : your future commercial flights will be flown by ONE pilot only - while the co-pilot / flight officer (now re-named a "dispatcher", under the SPO concept) will be ground-based, monitoring YOUR plane from a couple of laptops - but also (and simultaneously!) another 11 flights! That's right, the "DISPATCHER" will be responsible for 12 simultaneous flights - and act as the "co-pilot" for all 12 of them !

I am not kidding you, dear readers - please do watch this video, courtesy of the NASA clowns :


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgdcdj5ietg

Hmmm. I can hear you asking "so what if the "DISPATCHER" is a depressed psychopath?" Well, I simply couldn't resist imagining this myself!
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby Maat on Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:16 pm

^ :blink: Uhuh, NA$A of course! :wacko:

Like this:
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nonhocapito wrote:
mnew9 wrote:In what must be record time a granite carved memorial to the victims of the Germanwings crash has ALREADY been erected in the village of Le Vernet, near the crash site. It has been carved in French, German, Spanish and English.


The almost unreadable inscription can be read here:

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from http://www.cbsnews.com/news/germanwings ... -problems/

I just noticed that "memorial stone" image doesn't look "carved" at all, the text is only painted on (as in Photoslop). More noticeable when zoomed:

Germanwings-memorial-stone1.jpg
Pretty half-arsed for something supposedly respectful — as if anyone would bother using a "stone" at all for such a rushed (temporary) paint job. <_<
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby Pilgrim on Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:59 pm

nonhocapito wrote:
Do you mind elaborating the "strange things" going on in the image above? I have problems with those halos around them, they look like some badly intended photoshop filter.


The Halos around his shirt, edge of neck and the blurred edges on the girls right hand dress strap.

According to Linkedin, Bramley was a Construction Professional based in Denmark:

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source http://dk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-bramley/48/308/57a
But later was a Student in Switzerland:
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source http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/paul-bramley/a6/b2/545

Almost identical to the first image with different clothes and background.

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source http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1431074/ ... .jpg?w=368
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby KingMinusHead on Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:26 pm

It appears that 'footage' has 'surfaced' of 'Andreas Lubitz' flying a glider as he trained to be a pilot...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMOxr81zDfU

Some additional thoughts:
It is interesting to see the various voices among the mental health community come out and dismiss the idea that depression could lead someone to take such action as is 'attributed' to 'Andreas Lubitz'.

Mental health agency Beyond Blue said "suicidal tendencies" were unlikely to lead a man to take the lives of 149 other people.

The organisation's CEO, Georgie Harman, said such discussion showed a lack of understanding of mental health.

"Whether or not the co-pilot had depression I think is incredibly unhelpful," she said.

"When a person takes his or her own life, that's suicide and that's usually a single act. When a person allegedly kills hundreds of people for whose safety he or she is responsible, that's a crime."

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/germanwings-plane-crash-family-of-carol-friday-son-greig-will-treat-crash-as-accident-to-deny-perpetrator-his-wishes/ar-AAafJG8?ocid=UP97DHP

As a mental health professional, I would also agree that the assertion that 'depression' could ever lead anyone to behave in such a way, is highly unlikely. In truth, should this fictional character have been experiencing 'severe major depression', he would likely have been highly lethargic, expressing extreme negative thoughts, had very low levels of motivation (not increased motivation to crash a plane) and possibly been bed-ridden or highly withdrawn, and had very low levels of self-confidence and self-worth. He would have also likely been experiencing high levels of anxiety, had trouble thinking clearly, and co-pilots would have surely picked up on this type of withdrawn presentation sitting in a cockpit with him for however many hours. Not only this, if he had been seeking psychological attention, and disclosed any of his concerns about flying - or even the fact that he was a pilot at all - mental health professionals have a universal duty of care to report any such concerns where the life or a patient/client, or others, as a result of what a client might disclose. The story is simply implausible, and you can see well-meaning health professionals saying as much in various articles, despite, of course, not grasping the psy-op nature of the event itself.

Which is probably why 'Lubitz' is being increasingly characterised as 'deranged' (such as sensationalised news stories like the one below), because the 'depression' angle is diagnostically unsound - too many professionals understand this, and are concerned to ensure no further undue stigma is associated with mental health when so much work has been done over the years to ensure the opposite, and are willing to voice their opinions so. He then must be demonised as some kind of 'deranged long-wolf psychopath', which is itself even more absurd again. To prove this, they may need to put out more 'information' regarding 'Andreas Lubitz dubious mental health history', which might include a history of poor or antisocial behaviour at school, being a loner, having been bullied, subscriptions to gun magazines, a previous criminal history of assault (possibly sexual), evidence of alcohol or substance use, torturing animals etc. etc., to account for just how he 'ended up so deranged to be able to undertake such a horrific action'. In fact, I would go as far as to say I think we can expect they will <_<


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Oi34MeKTw
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby pov603 on Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:27 pm

Anyone know of 'beyond blue' before this incident?
Their CEO is Georgie 'Harm-man'?...
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby sunshine05 on Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:31 pm

One thing I've noticed with all the recent "disasters" is there are always reports of DNA testing. Can anyone think of a logical reason to perform expensive DNA testing on victims? Even going so far as to request DNA samples from family members to compare profiles they allegedly retrieve. Everyone is aware that photo identification is required to travel by air, so why attempt to identify anyone? They have a passenger list! Isn't it clear that there are no survivors? Is one to believe that if DNA is not found, the victim is wandering around in the mountains? Maybe they do this in an attempt to authenticate a fake story. "Oh, it must have really happened because they found DNA..." It is ridiculous.

"He said forensic experts had identified 78 different DNA strands. "We haven't found a single body intact," said Patrick Touron, deputy director of the police's criminal research institute. "We have slopes of 40 to 60 degrees, falling rocks, and ground that tends to crumble. "Some things have to be done by abseiling. Since safety is key, the recovery process is a bit slow, which is a great regret," he added.

Most body parts were being winched up to helicopters and transported to a lab in the nearby town of Seynes, where a 50-strong team of forensic doctors, dentists and police identification specialists is working. Between 400 and 600 body parts were being examined, Touron said. "In catastrophes, normally around 90 percent of identifications are done through dental records," he added, but in the case of flight 9525, DNA was likely to play a greater role than normal. Once DNA samples have been taken, they are sent to another lab outside Paris where they are compared with samples taken from family members this week.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-alps ... z3Vyt3x0wl
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby KingMinusHead on Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:00 pm

pov603 wrote:Anyone know of 'beyond blue' before this incident?
Their CEO is Georgie 'Harm-man'?...


pov603,

Beyond blue is a well known organisation in Australia dedicated to raising public awareness about depression and anxiety. I would expect they are largely government-funded, as well as possibly receiving some corporate sponsorship/donations to operate. Really good public health service in my opinion, certainly much needed in Australia.
http://www.beyondblue.org.au/

Given the levels of bullshit though, the general skepticism is well warranted!
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby Pilgrim on Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:00 pm

KingMinusHead wrote:
pov603 wrote:Anyone know of 'beyond blue' before this incident?
Their CEO is Georgie 'Harm-man'?...


pov603,

Beyond blue is a well known organisation in Australia dedicated to raising public awareness about depression and anxiety. I would expect they are largely government-funded, as well as possibly receiving some corporate sponsorship/donations to operate. Really good public health service in my opinion, certainly much needed in Australia.
http://www.beyondblue.org.au/

Given the levels of bullshit though, the general skepticism is well warranted!



Personally i get sick of hearing about this latest meme"raising awareness"
You truly can't see any problems with a quack Big Pharma and current narrative friendly website like that that even refuses to look at the dark side of the quack drugs or safer non patented natural alternatives? Come to us for help as you can't help yourself and we will look after you AND TALK ABOUT IT. Let's ignore the fact your depression or anxiety may be down to simple Magnesium deficiency.
TPTB will be using mental health more and more IMO for their agenda and websites like that are part of the problem not the solution.
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby pov603 on Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:03 pm

Thanks for the clarification KMH.
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby fast67vellen2o on Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:19 pm

I haven't posted in a while but I just came across this "breaking" news. Apparently a video shot from a cell phone was recovered from the memory card! How lucky we are to find this piece of evidence undamaged in the horrific crash debris!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/31/reports-cell-phone-video-reveals-last-moments-germanwings-flight


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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby Tarek701 on Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:44 am

fast67vellen2o wrote:I haven't posted in a while but I just came across this "breaking" news. Apparently a video shot from a cell phone was recovered from the memory card! How lucky we are to find this piece of evidence undamaged in the horrific crash debris!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/31/reports-cell-phone-video-reveals-last-moments-germanwings-flight


-Fast67


I found the video on YT again, it spread like fire everywhere and so I don't know the "real" source of this video. But I got it from here:
[link removed for not being a credible source]

I decided to upload it on LiveLeak:
[link removed for not being a credible source]

I can't say if this is real or not. Well even if it would be "real" in a sense of that the video is assumed to be the actual amateur video, it still would be fake, as the whole Germanwings case just seems to scream hoax.
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby Selene on Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:57 am

Tarek701 wrote:
fast67vellen2o wrote:I haven't posted in a while but I just came across this "breaking" news. Apparently a video shot from a cell phone was recovered from the memory card! How lucky we are to find this piece of evidence undamaged in the horrific crash debris!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/31/reports-cell-phone-video-reveals-last-moments-germanwings-flight


-Fast67


I found the video on YT again, it spread like fire everywhere and so I don't know the "real" source of this video. But I got it from here:
[link removed for not being a credible source]

I decided to upload it on LiveLeak:
[link removed for not being a credible source]


Great, thanks for sharing Tarek.

I count 6 or 7 cuts in the video itself and I am an amateur (others here see much more). That means this is not "original footage" even if it were real. It is edited.

What appears is that the level of sound in the background (a pretty dim, constant screaming and not individual people going louder, dimmer, louder, etc.) does not fit the alleged movement of the plane, the nose-dive, so no relation.

Audio and video have 2 separate sources, they do not communicate with each other.

You would expect an increase in screaming and a Whaaaaaaaaah when the "nose-dive"/sharp movement which apparently "tumbled" the camera, kicks in, yet that is not heard.

Anyone can film out of any plane above any cloudy sky. Probably Tbs of such footage available...

I can't say if this is real or not. Well even if it would be "real" in a sense of that the video is assumed to be the actual amateur video, it still would be fake, as the whole Germanwings case just seems to scream hoax.


It's not real. Cut audio fit with cut video from 2 sources. No relation between them.

I see roughly 3 possibilities:
    It's fake fake - a prank - non information
    It's fake "real" - a conscious attempt by amateurs to feed conspiracy theories and the like - desinformation
    It's real fake - indeed "leaked" by the perpetrators of this hoax as "proof" - information of misinformation/propaganda
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby brianv on Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:43 am

Timely April Fools day is upon us.

It's April Fools Day every day in the media!

Norwegians, Danes and Swedes celebrate April Fools' Day (aprilsnar in Danish). Most news media outlets will publish exactly one false story on 1 April; for newspapers this will typically be a first-page article but not the top headline.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby KingMinusHead on Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:09 am

Pilgrim wrote:
KingMinusHead wrote:
pov603 wrote:Anyone know of 'beyond blue' before this incident?
Their CEO is Georgie 'Harm-man'?...


pov603,

Beyond blue is a well known organisation in Australia dedicated to raising public awareness about depression and anxiety. I would expect they are largely government-funded, as well as possibly receiving some corporate sponsorship/donations to operate. Really good public health service in my opinion, certainly much needed in Australia.
http://www.beyondblue.org.au/

Given the levels of bullshit though, the general skepticism is well warranted!



Personally i get sick of hearing about this latest meme"raising awareness"
You truly can't see any problems with a quack Big Pharma and current narrative friendly website like that that even refuses to look at the dark side of the quack drugs or safer non patented natural alternatives? Come to us for help as you can't help yourself and we will look after you AND TALK ABOUT IT. Let's ignore the fact your depression or anxiety may be down to simple Magnesium deficiency.
TPTB will be using mental health more and more IMO for their agenda and websites like that are part of the problem not the solution.


Hi Pilgrim,

Sure, I can see a LOT of issues around Big Pharma when it comes to the health industry, and certainly in regards to mental health. Am I concerned about the heavy leaning towards the predominant 'medical model' (pathologise > diagnose > treatment via pharmaceuticals)? Of course. Do I think that 'awareness raising campaigns' (such as the Beyond Blue one you have called into question) are necessarily 'all bad' and solely function to ensure a continuation and increase in the workings of the medical model and the larger objectives of Big Pharma (and, by virtue, TPTB)? Absolutely not. As I indicated above, I think they can be highly important and beneficial for safety and well-being (anything that might help prevent suicide would surely be considered so). Does it inadvertently benefit Big Pharma? Absolutely, the whole medical system is arranged such that a proportion of any additional people that identify as experiencing mental health concerns will naturally be treated using medications, further lining their pockets and reinforcing their strong-hold on the medical industry. Do mental health practitioners have concerns about this? Again, absolutely. Most mental health workers are highly reluctant to over-pathologise, over-diagnose, and over-prescribe, and there is wide-ranging criticism of the medical model. Indeed, when it comes to therapeutic intervention, contemporary psychology is founded on the idea that 'medication is not the answer', that it just 'covers up symptoms of the underlying root cause', and the goal is always to empower people to draw on their own internal resources, not have them endlessly reliant on either medication or their counsellor/therapist.

Frankly, I think if things were legislated to become even more prescriptive and forcibly aligned with the medical model (i.e. mandatory sharing of information, mandatory medication etc.) in any way that was considered 'unethical', there would be a significant uproar among the wider community of mental health professionals - and this is a highly smart, knowledgeable and thoughtful bunch of people, so they would represent a fairly formidable force, at least within the current and next couple of generations. (Anything beyond that could be concerning, granted, depending on levels of training, expertise of tertiary educators and ability/freedom to 'teach' certain concepts etc.). Again, these are the same professionals who are calling out the media reports by stating that 'depression' is not an adequate 'mental health explanation' from what is attributed to the Andreas Lubitz character - which of course is entirely true. This is why (as I wrote above) the Lubitz figure will likely need to be increasingly characterised as 'deranged' for it to hold any degree of 'clinical validity', otherwise any mental health practitioner with even half an understanding of clinical presentations will take issue with the legitimacy of the narrative.

I hope this helps clarify my statements and position for you somewhat.
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Re: Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

Postby kickstones on Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:27 pm

This might be of no relevance Simon, please feel free to delete the post if not, however, it may be the media have manipulated images, to enhance the story, in this instance.

And remember if the image has been manipulated what does it say about the story?

Take the image below for example, taken from:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/arc ... 47465b.jpg

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The newspaper informs us the image is of Andreas Lubitz competing in a Lufthansa marathon in 2013 (Wolfgang Nass/BILD)

However, what it doesn't inform us is that the image would appear to be have taken on the home straight (see image below) near to the finishing line.

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http://2012alemaniadeleste.blogspot.hu/ ... chive.html

From this information it would be safe to assume that Lubitz, and the two runners directly behind (1371, 3192 Deller Stefan and Kurt Hassan) would have similar race times at the finish.

Fortunately, we have online information, from the race organizers, that can help confirm these assumptions. (see PDF file on link below)

http://www.spiridon-frankfurt.de/index. ... Itemid=375

http://frankfurter-hm.r.mikatiming.de/2013/

However, on close inspection we find that there is a discrepancy in the finishing time (bold), nearly 3 mins between Lubitz, and the other 2 runners if official times are to be believed.


436 1371 Deller, Stefan 82 DEU White & Case/Frankfurt M30 80 0:44:37 1:12:51 1:34:06 1:34:44
455 3192 Kurt, Hassan 70 DEU Taxi West 06196 - 77 77 77/Eschbor M40 73 0:44:24 1:13:12 1:34:22 1:34:41
608 403 Lubitz, Andreas 87 DEU -/Montabaur MHK 96 0:45:58 1:15:29 1:37:09 1:37:22


There is also a search engine for photos of the runners which confirms the two runners behind Lubitz, however no sign of Lubitz in these pictures. Nor can any be found through his race no. 403.

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http://www.sportonline-foto.de/veransta ... /vas/FHM13

Unless there is some other logical explanation, than either the official times are wrong or the supposed image of Lubitz has been inserted.

Looking at the un-official times recorded than they confirm the times for race number 403, however they don't give a name to the number.

http://frankfurter-hm.r.mikatiming.de/2013/?pid=search

608 96 403 » -, - (GER) MHK 00:45:58 01:15:29 01:37:22 01:37:09

Which is odd, in that on first inspection the other race numbers have a name linked to it.

For example:
55 73 3192 » Kurt, Hassan (GER) M40 Taxi West 06196 - 77... 00:44:24 01:13:12 01:34:41 01:34:22
436 80 1371 » Deller, Stefan (GER) M30 White & Case 00:44:37 01:12:51 01:34:44 01:34:06
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