Costa Concordia incident, Friday 13 Jan 2012

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(HC Rubinia: Another ship stranded on the italian coasts: see previous post.)

It is probably of no particular meaning, but according to wikipedia.it the name "Ganzirri" comes from the arab locution "Ghadir-Al-Kanziri", meaning "swamp of the swines".
In some of the pictures the HC Rubinia is shown in front of the so called "Torre dei Saraceni" of Ganzirri, a medieval military tower built by the arabs.

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From http://www.corriere.it/gallery/cronache ... 1f.shtml#6

Of course, while I am considering names and arabic hints, I cannot help to notice that "Rubinia" sounds a lot like (and has the same meaning of) "Ruby", the nickname of the teenage sexy Tunisian dancer that frequented Berlusconi's, and whose trial is being held these days in Genova. Here's two recent news items about this case:
http://www.theaustralianeye.com/news/ru ... 21865.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ealer.html

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Karima "Ruby" Keyek, from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ealer.html

So... are the "swines in the swamp" Berlusconi and friends?

(There are reasons to believe that, when Berlusconi accepted to leave office, he had in exchange promise of absolution for all his numerous pending criminal trials, including Ruby's. He and his friend Dell'Utri were acquitted in two old trials in the meantime, in fact. Maybe the Rubinia accident is also a warning that a discharge in the specific Ruby case will not be tolerated. Just speculating. I am aware that this doesn't make any rational sense, but the imbecile criminals who forge and write the news are not new to things without of any sense.)
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Ganzirri on Google maps: http://maps.google.com/?ll=38.256591,15 ... 8&t=h&z=18

The 'HC Rubinia' appears to be positioned like this:

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There is no port there. The ship is positioned perpendicular to any possible route along that coast.

What was the captain trying to do?
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nonhocapito wrote:
What the captain was trying to do?
Probably nothing - he and crew were just asleep. :rolleyes: :P
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Heiwa wrote:Probably nothing - he and crew were just asleep. :rolleyes: :P
Apparently, this is just the explanation that has been now given for the Rubinia accident:
...oggi lo ha confermato in Procura lo stesso comandante ucraino Sergy Kryvodud, 41 anni: durante la navigazione si è addormentato in plancia e ha inserito il pilota automatico per questo è andato a sbattere con la sua nave mercantile, l’Hc Rubina, lo scorso sabato contro gli scogli antistanti il rione di Ganzirri a Messina. L'uomo ha detto quindi di non aver sentito gli uomini del Vts che più volte gli chiedevano di cambiare rotta.

It has been confirmed today in the prosecutor's office by the ucranian Master Sergy Kryvodud, 41: he fell asleep on the bridge during navigation and inserted the autopilot and because of this he ended with the cargo ship against the rocks before Ganzirri. The man stated that he couldn't hear the people from the VTS (navigation control system of the port of Messina) asking him to change route.

http://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere. ... 1365.shtml
First of all, I don't understand why, having inserted the autopilot, the ship should get stranded in such an impossible way; also I don't understand why there wasn't anyone else on the bridge with the sleeping captain; third the ship was empty and had just left the port of Messina for Massa Carrara and the weather was fine. It doesn't seem a situation of particular stress for the crew.

Sorry if I repeat this quote:
Ahi serva Italia, di dolore ostello,
nave sanza nocchiere in gran tempesta,
non donna di province, ma bordello!


Ah Italy enslaved, refuge of grief,
ship without pilot in a great storm,
not woman of provinces, but of brothel!

~ Dante Alighieri, Purgatorio, Canto VI
More pictures of the stranded ship can be seen here: http://settimanalecentonove.wordpress.c ... ormentato/

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nonhocapito wrote:Maybe the Rubinia accident is also a warning that a discharge in the specific Ruby case will not be tolerated. Just speculating. I am aware that this doesn't make any rational sense, but the imbecile criminals who forge and write the news are not new to things without of any sense.)
Nonho, just a thought - you may perhaps be onto something...

A couple of summers ago, I was sunbathing in Ganzirri beach with two very good friends of mine who live in Agrigento, Manfred and Francesca. While chatting about Berlusconi's latest scandals, Francesca told me that Italy's Minister of Justice Angelino ALFANO was a Ganzirri native (she had even been a 'schoolmate' of his). She told me : "If you walk down the beach, there's a good chance you'll meet him" (I preferred to enjoy my sunny day - and went for a swim instead...).

As you know, Justice Minister Angelino ALFANO is smack in the middle of the Ruby scandal, having maneuvered the Italian parliament into voting against the Procura di Milano - effectively blocking the Milan judiciary from investigating/indicting Berlusconi for child prostitution...

http://www.politica24.it/articolo/scand ... mera/7523/

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Angelino ALFANO (hotly tipped to be Berlusconi' successor - by Berlus-con himself...)

Whatever - just a thought, and no more...
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nonhocapito wrote:
Heiwa wrote:Probably nothing - he and crew were just asleep. :rolleyes: :P
Apparently, this is just the explanation that has been now given for the Rubinia accident:
First of all, I don't understand why, having inserted the autopilot, the ship should get stranded in such an impossible way; also I don't understand why there wasn't anyone else on the bridge with the sleeping captain; third the ship was empty and had just left the port of Messina for Massa Carrara and the weather was fine. It doesn't seem a situation of particular stress for the crew.

Sorry if I repeat this quote:
Ahi serva Italia, di dolore ostello,
nave sanza nocchiere in gran tempesta,
non donna di province, ma bordello!


Ah Italy enslaved, refuge of grief,
ship without pilot in a great storm,
not woman of provinces, but of brothel!

~ Dante Alighieri, Purgatorio, Canto VI
More pictures of the stranded ship can be seen here: http://settimanalecentonove.wordpress.c ... ormentato/

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Long time ago I visited Ukraine 28 times, built a ship there and helped many Ukrainian seamen get jobs on ships and most went well. Today things have changed! Italian small cargo ships are no longer driven by Italians (too expensive) but by Ukrainians (they are good like Italians) but too few aboard so things go wrong. My recommendation - when everybody is too tired aboard - stop/anchor have a good sleep - blame stop on engine failure - seems to be ignored. Too much stress? Too little pay??? Corruption???? Yes.

It is ... terrible. Dante Alighieri described it MUCH BETTER than I.
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simonshack wrote:Italy's Minister of Justice Angelino ALFANO was a Ganzirri native (she had even been a 'schoolmate' of his). She told me : "If you walk down the beach, there's a good chance you'll meet him" (I preferred to enjoy my sunny day - and went for a swim instead...).
Oh, wow :o

Actually, I read on his website that Alfano is an Agrigento native... but maybe Ganzirri is a "feud" of his...

Yet if the connection is true, we are really onto something Simon: maybe the HC Rubinia is a warning not as much to Berlusconi as it is a warning to Angelino Alfano who, like you said, is expected to run for office as a nameplace for Berlusconi (as Putin teaches).

For sure a mafia-style warning would not be inappropriate for Alfano, who has long been rumored to be heavily connected to the Sicilian Mafia, and having been helped by them to built his successful and fast political career (italian article on the subject: http://palermo.repubblica.it/dettaglio/ ... no/1743505)

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From http://www.bol.it/libri/mafia-uccide-d- ... rContainer
"The mafia kills in summer". The latest book "by" Angelino Alfano. Sounds like a threat.
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Heiwa wrote:Long time ago I visited Ukraine 28 times, built a ship there and helped many Ukrainian seamen get jobs on ships and most went well. Today things have changed! Italian small cargo ships are no longer driven by Italians (too expensive) but by Ukrainians (they are good like Italians) but too few aboard so things go wrong. My recommendation - when everybody is too tired aboard - stop/anchor have a good sleep - blame stop on engine failure - seems to be ignored. Too much stress? Too little pay??? Corruption???? Yes.
You are saying that this could be an accident due to the stressful working load imposed to the crews of the cargo ships, much like it can happen with truck drivers (who often in Italy are also from Ukraine or Romania).
But they had just left Messina... and they all fell asleep? I understand that things can go wrong, but so wrong? And ain't it strange that all these ship accidents are happening in such a short span of time? Concordia - Sharden - Gelso M - HC Rubinia...?
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simonshack wrote:Agrigento
Agrigento, what a great historical site! A very important ancient Greek (NOT Roman) city, with some quite fine temple remains. And a top-notch beach!

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Yeah it's Titanic 100th birthday this year. That's probably the reason for all the shipwrecks.

They recently just finished building the "Titanic museum" in Belfast, which will open March 31st. http://www.titanicbelfast.com/Home.aspx


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BudI_lVCQR8

The museum is shaped like the bows of the three liners, Olympic, Titanic and Britannic. (See this thread for more about the symbolism of those ships and possibly the symbolism of that faked shipwreck of old.)
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And again...

Cruise ship Azamara Quest limps into port after engine room fire
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -fire.html

Azamara is owned by Royal Caribbean Cruises, "a Norwegian / American company based in Miami, Florida. It is the world's second-largest cruise line operator, after Carnival Corporation" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Cari ... ruises_Ltd.
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Carnival Cruise Ship Ordered Held in Texas in Shipwreck Suit

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-3 ... -suit.html

It seems this psy-op has some surprising developments! :D :P
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Heiwa wrote: It seems this psy-op has some surprising developments! :D :P
HEIWA!!! :o

Your Bloomberg article - dated March 31 2012 - says:
"At least 25 people died after the Costa Concordia ran aground off Italy in January."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-3 ... -suit.html
"AT LEAST 25 people????????"

This older Italian article says:
"E’ ufficiale, sono 33 le vittime del naufragio della nave Costa Concordia, avvenuto il 13 gennaio scorso a largo dell’Isola del Giglio."

"It is now official: 33 are the victims of the shipwreck of the Costa Concordia ship, on the 13th of January just off the island of Giglio."
http://www.rete24.com/109039/costa-conc ... e-coi-nomi
So, months after the event - no one knows EXACTLY how many died on the COSTA CONCORDIA???


Meanwhile. Wickedpedia says today:
"30 dead, 2 missing and 64 injured"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia_disaster
30 dead and 2 missing: that's 32! - for chrissakes!!!
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Confirmation one purpose of the staged Costa Concordia was to encourage reflection to the Titanic. A new indepth look will be published in the May edition of Vanity Fair. The article so appropriately titled "Another Night to Remember" :rolleyes:.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/ ... n-burrough
http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/ ... anity-fair

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