Costa Concordia incident, Friday 13 Jan 2012

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Costa Allegra dancer's mother tells of disaster striking family twice
Costa Concordia capsized with son on board weeks before daughter was cast adrift on sister ship

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A British mother has spoken of her disbelief after a cruise ship her daughter is working on was cast adrift weeks after her son survived the capsizing of its sister ship, the Costa Concordia.

Jayne Thomas said Rebecca, 23, a dancer, is one of more than 1,000 people aboard the Costa Allegra, now being towed to safety after breaking down in the Indian Ocean following a fire on board.

She added that her son, James Thomas, 19, also a dancer, was still recovering from the trauma of the Concordia running aground off the Italian coast in January, with the loss of 32 lives.

Speaking from the family home in Sutton Coldfield, Jayne Thomas told the BBC: "I thought it was a one-off and we wouldn't be going through this experience again. I really didn't think disaster could strike twice.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/2 ... -concordia

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British dancer, 19, acted as a 'human ladder' to help terrified passengers off stricken cruise ship
James Thomas used 6ft 3in frame to bridge gap between two of the decks
Dozens of passengers clambered over him into lifeboats

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Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... adder.html

:rolleyes:

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...and just in case we don't get the metaphors, sometimes they lay it all out for us:
Anyone who sat through Film Socialisme may have suspected that the Costa Concordia was heading for trouble. The cruise liner was the setting for the first "movement" of Jean-Luc Godard's ambitious, infuriating 2010 picture, serving as a self-conscious metaphor for western capital ploughing through choppy waters.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ja ... luc-godard
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Pay attention to what they say and write

http://www.oggi.it/focus/cronaca/2012/0 ... e-le-foto/
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corsarino wrote:Pay attention to what they say and write

http://www.oggi.it/focus/cronaca/2012/0 ... e-le-foto/
Sure, a hoax within a hoax. This story of a pregnancy is a hoax but the Costa story is real. The photo of the couple is fake but the Costa photos/videos are real. And so on. We've seen this sort of thing before, it's par for the course. ;)
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Re: Costa Concordia

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Lies warapped up in bullshit religion and bullshit numbers.

James Thomas 19
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nonhocapito wrote:The Costa Allegra surreal, impossible accident (impossible especially so close to the Concordia accident), like the Sharden accident appears to be a "reminder" or "variation on the theme".

It is not so difficult to understand, at least in part: I don't think it is a coincidence that all this time the EU has been apparently working at "saving" Greece and "turning around" Italy.

While the EU enforces changes that bring about a great deal of sacrifices and distress for the citizens, it is undoubtedly useful to flash in the citizens' faces glimpses of disasters, erosion of society, anarchy, downfall and disorganization, so that before such alternatives any kind of governance, any kind of oppressive authority might be seen as the lesser of evils.

"My God", the average italian citizen is expected to think, "look at us and our big italian companies. We are such a mess! We are going to pieces! Nothing works! We cannot be left on our own! Without the EU we would be fucked!" etc.

This of course unless we want to imagine organized globalist forces playing against the EU while the EU tries to save itself -- and the Israeli-American property of the Carnival could undoubtedly suggest that. But at this stage it is difficult, and requires a bit too much fantasy, to see all the way through there.

(One of the accessory reasons could also be to further discourage people from traveling and, evidently, to travel at sea. But why would that be is anybody's guess.)
I find this well reasoned and expressed. Of course using false events to shape public sentiment is nothing new in itself but technology has certainly expanded the field. I started out like most taking this story at face value but I was fortunate enough to have recently come upon this site and read maybe close to half of all posts so far. I appreciate the fact that the focus here is more on what they are doing and less on why. How people can keep their heads buried up their tv's ass when things this interesting are out there to discovered is beyond me.
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MrSinclair wrote:I find this well reasoned and expressed. Of course using false events to shape public sentiment is nothing new in itself but technology has certainly expanded the field. I started out like most taking this story at face value but I was fortunate enough to have recently come upon this site and read maybe close to half of all posts so far. I appreciate the fact that the focus here is more on what they are doing and less on why. How people can keep their heads buried up their tv's ass when things this interesting are out there to discovered is beyond me.
Well I feel the opposite. Which forum can I join where the focus is more on the why of media fakery and less on the what? Oh, wait... :lol: ;) :P
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pdgalles wrote:Costa Allegra dancer's mother tells of disaster striking family twice
Costa Concordia capsized with son on board weeks before daughter was cast adrift on sister ship

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A British mother has spoken of her disbelief after a cruise ship her daughter is working on was cast adrift weeks after her son survived the capsizing of its sister ship, the Costa Concordia.

Jayne Thomas said Rebecca, 23, a dancer, is one of more than 1,000 people aboard the Costa Allegra, now being towed to safety after breaking down in the Indian Ocean following a fire on board.

She added that her son, James Thomas, 19, also a dancer, was still recovering from the trauma of the Concordia running aground off the Italian coast in January, with the loss of 32 lives.

Speaking from the family home in Sutton Coldfield, Jayne Thomas told the BBC: "I thought it was a one-off and we wouldn't be going through this experience again. I really didn't think disaster could strike twice.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/2 ... -concordia

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British dancer, 19, acted as a 'human ladder' to help terrified passengers off stricken cruise ship
James Thomas used 6ft 3in frame to bridge gap between two of the decks
Dozens of passengers clambered over him into lifeboats

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Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... adder.html

:rolleyes:

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...and just in case we don't get the metaphors, sometimes they lay it all out for us:
Anyone who sat through Film Socialisme may have suspected that the Costa Concordia was heading for trouble. The cruise liner was the setting for the first "movement" of Jean-Luc Godard's ambitious, infuriating 2010 picture, serving as a self-conscious metaphor for western capital ploughing through choppy waters.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ja ... luc-godard






And just for the very thick amongst us, whose minds now only respond to fed suggestions and work solely on a subliminal level, the male character is sporting waves/the sea on his blouse

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while the female character is sporting a cruise liner (on it's side)

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The letter 'M' also jumps from the sea blouse.

Dial M for Emasculation. <_<
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Costa Voyager

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Just another brick in the wall!

COSTA VOYAGER ON FIRE
http://www.giornalettismo.com/archives/ ... a-voyager/

Non Italian speaking people can translate it using Google

http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... voyager%2F
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New clues about Concordia:

http://www.lavocedellevoci.it/inchieste1.php?id=496

a must to be read.

Usually, La Voce delle Voci is well informed; no idea in this case.
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corsarino wrote:New clues about Concordia:

http://www.lavocedellevoci.it/inchieste1.php?id=496

a must to be read.

Usually, La Voce delle Voci is well informed; no idea in this case.
I never heard of this news website, corsarino. I suppose it is connected to some Neapolitan communist or ex-communist organization?

For the non-italian reader, the article suggests that Schettino brought the ship close to the Giglio coast to comply to a request of the Russian mafia, that either needed to send a message to someone or needed to "drop off" something.

The article underlines alleged strong connections and investments of the Russian mafia in the area of Tuscany and along the coasts of the Tirreno, and their special interest in gambling and hotel chains. We are lead to conclude that the ambitions of the Russian mafia to put their hands on the Giglio island, might have brought them to send a threatening message using their people infiltrated into the costa crociere (where gambling and drug smuggling are supposedly a likely occurrence, and in fact we are told some Philippinians were caught using the Costa ships to smuggle a drug named "shaboo" -- whatever).

The article does not entirely explains why Schettino should have complied with the russians, but indicates as element of interest the fact that the 111 russians on board were the very first ones to leave the ship, and the only ones that were sent in hotels on the continent instead than spending the night on Giglio island (gathering this information from... Russia Today). Supposedly the article wants us to conclude that this happened because the russians expected the accident and knew what was going to happen! (so they knew that the ship would miraculously pick up a boulder from under the sea, and then get stranded and half-sunk close to the coast. Aside of the absurd circumstance of 111 passengers waiting to grab the first boat and save themselves, this is the only part where one is allowed to imagine that the whole thing was staged and planned in advance -- unfortunately the journalist choses to skip ahead rather than look into it and try to understand how that might have happened in reality).

Of course the article does not mention the possibility that the whole thing might have been faked; that passengers might not even be aboard; that the known character names, such as Schettino, might be false identities created only to take the blame -- more importantly it does not show any concern in the absurd circumstances surrounding the clean-cut boulder stuck in the ship hull, or the absurd lists of survivors named "xxx" and similar cases, or the fact that 4,000 were allegedly hosted on the emtpy, small island and shipped home the next day.

Of course I can't say anything for sure -- but judging from the vast amount of fantasy that the journalist seem to have to use when connecting the dots, and the lack of proper observations regarding the dynamic of the accident or about the issues of naval engineering or maritime regulations, my first impression is that this is nothing but a "conspiracy theory" set to attract the attention of those who are perplexed and have questions.

After all, it was only a matter of time before something like this was concocted and offered to the public.

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[st]BTW, apparently this is a 24/7 webcam pointing at the shipwreck: http://www.kielmonitor.de/kino.php?cam=concordia[/st] (no it wasn't -- sorry :rolleyes:)
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@Heiwa

Sonia Riccaboni write about a different safe route of the Concordia ship:

http://www.sowmyasofiariccaboni.it/2012 ... oincidono/

According to you, is she right or wrong?

I suppone she is right.
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It seems a priest and part of the crew, Fr Raffaele, survived the CC incident :
http://www.cinews.ie/article.php?artid=9604
“We should erect a monument to Fr Lorenzo Pasquotti who immediately opened his church. The hotel at the port put up everyone for free. The bar owner, opened his bar and when everything finished, he went home to get more coffee. These acts of kindness are written in your heart.” :rolleyes:
However, it seems Raffaele got it all wrong about the (Bahamas) hotel. It had only 16 rooms and was too small to lodge 4 200 survivors. :P
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from corriere.it
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corsarino wrote:Image


from corriere.it
Nice photo of a few hundreds survivors ... but what is the wooden pier in the water right on the photo?? :P
I thought all survivors all were in the church, the Bahamas hotel or at Giglio Castello having a warm shower. And not lining up for a photo in the very small port. :rolleyes:
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@Heiwa

Sonia Riccaboni write about a different safe route of the Concordia ship:

http://www.sowmyasofiariccaboni.it/2012 ... oincidono/

According to you, is she right or wrong?

By mistake i have cancelled part of a precedent post with a photo of a circular hole; I'll post it again
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