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Unread post by idschmyd » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:13 pm

With Barry Berringsock and Barbara Booth Ol' Son still unaccounted for, I took a peek at The Madrid Job. Two sites of pics and obits:

The 11 March 2004 MADRID TRAIN BOMBINGS

1. http://www.elmundo.es/documentos/2004/0 ... ima29.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"
2. http://www.elpais.com/comunes/2004/11m/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" (plus handy index http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Fall ... zo_de_2004" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )")

and one for pics.

http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http ... CAkQ9QEwAQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It quickly looked familiar.

Screw ups.

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To the right.

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Unread post by SmokingGunII » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:25 pm

Are these all supposed to be different people? From the bottom 10, 2nd from the right, bottom line, appears to be a morph of 2nd & 3rd left top line. In fact, he could be the twin of 2nd top left.

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Unread post by idschmyd » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:26 pm

To the left.

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The team broke out with some characters. F?lix Gonzalez Gago, for example, a longstanding upstanding and much decorated officer in the airforce.

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They didn't break far: it was Gago's daughter's ninth birthday that day (she came home to find daddy was gone), and his son was eleven.

It's not easy to accept, though. What about this apparent cctv footage

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Unread post by simonshack » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:47 am

clemmie71 4 Nov 28 2009, 04:50 PM wrote:
ONLY ONE from another Western European country (France).

Clemmie

Your (excellent) observation alone should make every Spaniard wake up to the fakery that took place in Madrid on 3/11 2004.

Not ONE Englishman?
Not ONE German?
Not ONE Italian?

Only ONE victim from Western Europe? (France)

Gimme a break. Anyone who has visited Madrid will understand the utterly improbable odds of this.


Idschmyd,

Thanks for taking us to Madrid... :)

I've been looking at this ... (and reading it):
http://www.elmundo.es/documentos/2004/0 ... ima29.html
It frankly looks like more of the same (as the ridiculous 9/11 and 7/7 memorials). Hope to find the time to look at it in proper fashion myself. Please elaborate on it - I hope you did not mind me opening a dedicated thread for the Madrid hoax !
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Unread post by idschmyd » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:26 am

It’s probably true that there are more South Americans in Madrid than Brits, Italians and Germans, but ‘not one’ seems very strange.

The victim images are straight from the same place as the other pics, most with brilliant white backgrounds, savagely cropped, snap-to head orientations, close similarities to each other? they’ve got the look.

I’ve yet to find a howling example of a forgery, something like ‘Fechet’s Grandma’ or ‘Guardrail Arseman’, but Carlos Tortosa Garc?a, for example, is highly suspect; what’s with the tooth, the smooth stuck-on cheeks and the crows feet pattern that continues like a fan into the eyebrows? Is that normal?
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El Pais and Mundo sometimes offer the same image slightly changed, with no chance of claiming that they’re two images. In this case, the second image is notably different

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And yet familiarly soulless, mechanical, vacant, unreal?

Victim obituaries at El Pais and El Mundo are as silly as you like. I’ve read over 90 so far. Everyone was naturally dedicated to their families, their work colleagues can’t speak highly enough of them. Many were about to marry, just married, about to give birth or just given birth. Some, as el Se?or Gago above, had birthday connections that day, and several had missed the bus that morning or had some other special reason to take the train. The obituaries do throw up some checkable data in the waffle, places of work and the like, at least some of which can be covered by a call or email. Not sure how Columbo would approach it, or if I will.

I haven’t found a reliable source for live TV broadcasts of the morning, either, (TVE1, Telemadrid and Telecinco would be ideal) but here are a couple of clips from Telemadrid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDH_dCik ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aY7bQVVug

Telemadrid’s first caller at 7:54, 15 minutes after the explosion, is its own Vice Director of News Services, Vincent V?lles. He’s ambiguous about where he is and what exactly he has witnessed. He says he’s ‘looking at the train’ that is about 1000 mtrs from Atocha station. He says that Reuters (Agencia F) informs that there have been 3 explosions. V?lles says that only two ‘have been heard’ (‘se han escuchado’) and buildings vibrated. Was he a witness? He repeats often that there are lots of injured people and says the scene is Dante-esque.

The second clip carries the Telemadrid logo, so pressumably it aired on that station. It was shot by an amateur cameraman from the window of his home overlooking the tracks, and appears to show the same train that V?lles was looking at. The damage pattern is as V?lles describes.

The narrator of this movie is distraught. He says there’s a person with a body on top of him who doesn’t want to leave the train, and he guesses the body must be the man's ‘wife or daughter or someone’ (‘Se ha debido morir la hija, la mujer o alguien’). The camera doesn’t really pick out this scene despite a clumsy super-close-up. The man says this is 20 minutes after the explosions . The visible window frame at 6 seconds gives us a good idea of how close this camera is to the action, so a long zoom wasn’t used, yet the film is absurdly jerky. Combined with the poor quality, and with the cameraman’s apparent refusal to settle on any action, it is difficult to determine what’s happening in this scene, but it doesn’t look too Dante-esque considering that multiple bombs have just ripped open a standing-room only train.

But I can’t fend off all the imagery. It's the groups of injured people that are most troubling. In this Don't Forget montage at 2:47, for example. Most of the stuff before it is arguable. At 1:59 we see what must be body bags being arranged? on a roof somewhere? And five people to carry one bag. But at 2:47 ? to me, this looks like a genuine scene. Or a lot of actors.

This is another montage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdmO_P8p ... re=related. The young man at 1:09 is seen in a number of pics carrying a bloodied white coat. Image After this, three scenes go by which all point towards something genuinely nasty happening in Madrid. The final scene, which disappears before it’s fully revealed, also looks like a big headache to stage. Perhaps these were achieved by technical means, but the quality of the imagery doesn’t help the analysis.

...To be continued.

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Unread post by idschmyd » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:42 am

clemmie71 4 Nov 28 2009, 05:50 PM wrote: I viewed the youtube footage and I thought it was strange that the crowd trudging uphill didn't appear to panic or even move faster to escape from the explosion. Wouldn't most people flee if they felt a sudden burst of superheated air and smoke behind them?
Agreed, the people seem a little tardy, as though the first explosions are some distance away. It's difficult to see where exactly the blasts occur, and if they occur on the same layer as the people in the foreground! At around 1:26 we see a group of yellow coats seemingly tending a casualty. Then a cut, and a group of officials are running down the platfrom in a big flap. The yellow coats abandon what they're doing, one of them seemingly pausing to reassure the victim before scarpering. Is this victim beyond help, or is it not a person, in which case what were these people doing, considering that upstairs buses are allegedly being used as ambulances? (I must find that report). Another apparent victim is also abandoned at the base of the stairs. Are there any genuinely injured people on this platform?

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Unread post by brianv » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:34 pm

The image of a benevolent caring police thug helping the poor bloodied boy smacks of being made for the press and indeed on closer inspection it appears that the image is another forgery...

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Unread post by idschmyd » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:21 am

brianv 4 Nov 29 2009, 09:34 PM wrote: The image of a benevolent caring police thug helping the poor bloodied boy smacks of being made for the press and indeed on closer inspection it appears that the image is another forgery...

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Yes! The eye is buggered. That’s very heartening. I don’t have software to smooth out the blocks. This one looks equally staged. It’s small, full of ghost shadows and other worrying stuff, and what exactly is happening with that bad eye?

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Would like to find more problems with the image record. This is courtesy of Reuters, appearing in all major online publications.

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This is from Flickr,
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Washington post publishes the one which doesn’t contain that thing that looks like a rogue limb. The Flkr pic doesn’t contain Adobe Ducky or Hewlette Packard detail in the code. The Post one contains ‘Ducky’ and ‘Adobe’ and an explanatory note. I’m looking for technical fault in vain, as yet. Ripped trouser legs are a theme with the Madrid injured. Also, at the risk of sounding harsh, there aren't that many injured people, considering. And that limb - is that what that is - is kinda lonely, like a plane part on a lawn?

Spanish courts convicted suspects of 1856 counts of attempted murder on behalf of the wounded. Regardless of how they arrived at that exacting figure, that’s 1856 testimonies to a genuinely murderous event right there. But where?

One alleged injury is Laura Vega Garc?a. An Ecodiario online article of 11th March 2009 claims that Laura, who was 26 at the time of the attack, remains in a coma five years later. http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/espana ... l-11M.html. It doesn’t name the hospital.

http://turanzas.wordpress.com/2007/05/2 ... aura-vega/: target="_blank" class="postlink Article 21st May, 2007, posted by Dicky del Hoyo, in praise of a story in El Pais about two journalists who tricked their way into Laura’s hospital room and took pictures of her damaged face (‘rostro roto’), much to the disgust of the family, the El Pais writer and Hoyo. I haven’t been able to find the El Pais report (by Pablo Ordaz), but this one doesn’t mention who these scoundrels were, what hospital they visited or what happened to their pictures.

Assertion piled on assertion, right?

Googling Laura brings up a Times article which, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 781588.ece (horrifically stupid, burn before reading), and an El Pais interview with Pilar Manj?n, spokesperp for the Victim’s Anti Terrorism Division.

Actually, it’s called the Asociaci?n 11-M Afectados del Terrorismo. Here’s Pilar Manj?n. Image
Manj?n lost her 20-year-old son, Daniel Paz, in the attack,

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?so the story goes. Pilar’s public stance is boiler plate. “I think that more could have been done to avoid these attacks,” she says. No kidding, but the agreement ends there. She says that the Spanish judiciary “doesn’t understand the Jihadist phenomenon’, commenting on the perceived inefficiency in banging up enough Jihadists quick enough or for long enough, and she promotes the need for a new anti Jihadist terrorism department to help rectify the situation (“Hay que crear una fiscal?a de terrorismo yihadista igual que para ETA”). She also called for the media to stop repeating images of the attack, got a media platform from which to call, and seemingly achieved her objective! Do the images have something to tell? http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/H ... nac_18/Tes

Pilar always wears black, in mourning. She’s a profoundly hurt but strong, gutsy lady; reminds me of the viciously well crafted persona of Rachel North, the character who was reading a magazine article about the most traumatic experience of her life when she was blown up by terrorists. North campaigns on behalf of the people to accept the ‘Lads from Leeds with Paki Connections’ line, and to up the national security budget. Refreshingly honest she is re conspiracy theorists, opinion given in a blog which opens ‘I hate them’. Pilar Manj?n speaks on Conspiracy Theories in an article titled: "Las teor?as de la conspiraci?n pueden irse callando", which means they can shut the fuck up.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/M ... unac_4/Tes

Other stinking similarities between this and other works of interest leap out all over the place, but historycommons’s ‘timeline’ of the criminals and their crime is packed with familiar hearsay, blarney and abject lunacy. http://www.historycommons.org/timeline. ... idbombings

Including the Suicide episode. Although initially breaking the suicidal theme, seven of the Attackers later oblige. As police break into their apartment in Leganes, Madrid, the lads are ‘huddled together’ wearing white curtains converted into 'death robes', and...

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Looks questionable. Who took it? I saw a short Eng lang YT presentation about cleaning up this building - can't find it now and little time - but it smelled like a marketing piece. Anyway, apparently the area had been cleared out, but special Forces agent Javier Torrontera (Tonter?a?) is reportedly killed and 15 officers are wounded in the blast. “The body of one terrorist, with a belt of explosives still tied around his waist, was found in the bottom of an empty swimming pool.” http://www.historycommons.org/events-im ... -21881.jpg
I guess he thought it was full. The fateful raid does pull up something; a video ‘showing three of the bombers wearing masks, holding guns, and making threats’. Well there’s your men right there.

So no doubts about The Usual Suspects' involvement. But need help with some of this imagery.

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Unread post by brianv » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:43 am

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Well he's having no problems reading and sending SMS's to all his friends on his cell-phone despite his "horrific eye-injuries".

Has he got the "limb" wrapped up in his blanket?

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Unread post by idschmyd » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:43 am

brianv @ Nov 30 2009, 04:43 AM wrote: Well he's having no problems reading and sending SMS's to all his friends on his cell-phone despite his "horrific eye-injuries".

Has he got the "limb" wrapped up in his blanket?
Did the Friendly Thug lead the casualty to a tree - thanks - and not have a wet wipe for his face.

From the vic lists:

ALEJANDRA IGLESIAS
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LAURA RAMOS LOZANO
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and a relative blinder ImageImage But is it good enough?

Not even close. It's shite.

191 dead? No chance. Nor 119 911 ni 919. No chance in hell. More like NONE. But how? How how how...

1856. Hmmm. 1+8 and 5+6?

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Unread post by simonshack » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:25 pm

Idschmyd...

Just to say that I'm following with great interest your work here. Thanks for your efforts. I'll contribute soon :)
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Unread post by idschmyd » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:37 am

simonshack 4 Dec 3 2009, 12:25 AM wrote: Idschmyd...

Just to say that I'm following with great interest your work here. Thanks for your efforts. I'll contribute soon :)
Thanks for the encouragement, Simon. Much appreciated. Be sure that along with many others I am following your continuingly excellent work with a passion. The focus of this forum, its development since the release of the Vicsim list, its hawkeyed, talented and inspirational contributors, and its soapier moments, make it a very special place. Thanks for getting us here :P

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Unread post by idschmyd » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:36 am

Just another of many from the vic lists:

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MAR?A JOS? PEDRAZA PINO, 41, an ‘auxiliar’ with the ‘Consejer?a de Sanidad de la Comunidad Aut?noma’, which sounds official and checkable if you’ve got the legs for it. If you blow up the first image you’ll notice a line cutting off the edge of the (viewers’) left brow and extending down to the upper cheek, and an impossible kink in the lower border of that eye. There may be other probs. The other picture is very unconvincing but the quality makes analysis difficult.

And another quickie: Mar?a Nieves Garc?a Mo?ino ImageImage

I find the eyes in pic two are badly drawn, there are graft lines in the hair, a texture-less square patch in the leading arm, a pixel disaster at the end of the nose, and a few other bizarre features. Pic one is suspiciously crap, and not necessarily the same lady. She allegedly worked in the cafeteria of the Marquina theatre. “They’ve killed my child,” said her boss. “For me she was like a daughter.” Convinced?

So if they simulated victims because they didn't have any, how did they simulate the attack? NO TRAINS?

Well, yes trains. Four were reportedly bombed.

1. Atocha Station (train number 21431) FIVE bombs. 3 at 07:37, and two within at 07:38.

2. El Pozo del T?o Raimundo Station (train number 21435) ? At approximately 07:38, just as the train was starting to leave the station, two bombs in different carriages.

3. Santa Eugenia Station (train number 21713) ? One bomb at approximately 07:38.

4. Calle T?llez, (train number 17305), approximately 800 meters from Atocha Station ? Four bombs at approximately 07:39.

NO PLATFORMS, perhaps? Number four was in no-man’s land and could easily have been empty without anyone noticing when it was blasted. Number 2 may have been rather more advanced in 'starting to leave the station' than suggested. Number one was well inside Atocha station - apparent CCTV footage shows this one being blown. We imagine number 3 was also at a standstill in a station. So there should be pictures of platform carnage, right?

There are lots of easily findable pictures of trains not apparently near platforms. Here are some pics from two galleries: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/gallery/ ... ionalnews1 AND http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/ar ... S1.DTL&o=0 These have captions...

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“Destroyed railway carriages sit on the tracks at Atocha station.” (Where are the platforms? Atocha is completely covered, and the apparent CCTV footage of the explosions shows a train well inside the station. Not this one, then).

The other pics are not displayed here.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/gallery/ ... =331114587
“A view through a broken window of the train.” (No platforms).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/gallery/ ... =331114622
“The wreckage of a commuter train at the station.” (I see no station?)

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/ ... 2/flag.jpg
“Elena, 12, adjusts the Spanish flag with a black ribbon from her family's apartment window overlooking Atocha station.” (Station not in sight).

More station-free pics for which I’ve misplaced the websites:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3 ... _203ap.jpg
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/gallery/ ... =331114587
http://pic.srv104.wapedia.mobi/thumb/e2 ... pg,png,gif
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/ ... adrid1.jpg

After some hours of searching I bumped into this. Image

FEW PLATFORMS is not so impactful. But I’m not convinced this is as it seems. I could probably analyse this for hours and miss stuff, but here goes. Firstly, it’s crowded with those well familiar ghost shadows.The jacketed man in the foreground has a halo round his head. The white column in the foreground is clear at ground level, contrasted with what seems to be a charred body behind it; this shows us the width of the post, which then merges with the posts behind it as we follow it up to the roof. About halfway up and to the left we see an individual with a blurred and rather over-sized head. Slightly in front of her(?) and further away is another head; there’s a square cloud between and around them. It’s at about this point that the train itself becomes particularly ghostly, but it’s somewhat opaque from the first area of damage.

The man to the right of that white column is strangely blurred, too, seemingly impaled by, or emitting, the tangled? stuff. The red man to his right has his own force-field.

The damage to the station ceiling is strongly suggested but indistinctly drawn, especially above the hanging black sign which displays ‘V?a 1’. The damage here seems to encroach on the box, yet appears to be behind it.

The bright horizontal line on the hanging box seems to encroach on the red diamond in front of it. And what’s going on in the top left of the picture?

This Associated Press image comes from http://www.emergency-management.net/madrid2004.htm which has a choice selection of seemingly grizzly imagery, if you're looking for any.

Here's another platform picture 'proving' the existence of victims.

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Or is it just siesta time? Actually I'm not sure where this is supposed to be. Atocha doesn't have red platforms, it has a very high ceiling, and it doesn't have studio lighting.

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Unread post by idschmyd » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:49 am

Oh, I was wrong. Atocha DOES have red platforms. Here's a pic to prove it. http://www.atpm.com/12.12/europe/images ... 0Spain.jpg

And it does seem to have studio lighting! Sorry. I guess it was siesta time.

And while I'm correcting, this footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDH_dCik ... re=related is not Telemadrid, it's Berlusconi's Telecinco, for whom Vincent V?lles is the Director of News.

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