OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[pov603]

Maybe he's On A Boat...

[simonshack]

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslo ... d=10030767
The Norwegian police have not taken any photos of ABB after capture … because ABB does not want photos to be taken of him!

Well, that's Anders for you. He's no ordinary prisoner, he's being a prisoner LIKE A BOSS.

Help ! Hahahaha --- aarghh --- My belly is aching and so are my buttocks (just fell off the chair laughing)! I just HAD to make a full translation of this priceless Norwegian VG tabloid article (the populist VG newspaper is clearly directly involved in the Breivik hoax. Their offices were right beside the Oslo government buildings where the 'Breivik Bombings' took place):

Full translation (by yours truly) of the VG article:

This is why the police doesn't take a prisoner picture of Breivik

REFUSES TO LET HIMSELF BE PHOTOGRAPHED: Anders Behring Breivik has always been unwilling to have his picture taken since he has been held in custody.
The police has let him have his way in fear of ruining the dialogue. Photo: Helge Mikalsen


(VG web) Almost three months after the arrest,
the police has still not taken a picture of Anders Behring Breivik (32).

And this, according to the police, is not going to happen in the near future.
- We have not taken any picture of him. The history (as in "the legal framework") behind this is that the accused has the right to decline. We had to go with the law, says police lawyer Pål-Fredrik Hjort Kraby.

Fears for the good dialogue (sic)

So did the police and (Breivik's wish) was upheld.


POLICE-LAWYER: Pål-Fredrik Hjort Kraby. Foto: AP

KRABY - As we got the clear feedback from the accused that he didn't wish to collaborate to have his picture taken, our choice stood between taking a picture of him and thus possibly jeopardize a good dialogue with the accused. That's why we chose to renounce (taking a picture of Breivik), says Kraby.

VG - Will you be waiting to take a picture of him until the interrogations are over with?

KRABY - This may possibly happen in the near future. We have no need for a prisoner picture of him as the case stands now, but we register the wish of the newsmedia to have a prisoner picture made public.

VG - What is the reason for Breivik not wishing being pictured?

KRABY - He has only said that he doesn't wish so and that he will not collaborate. We would then risk to have a picture which is not technically good, and that's something we don't want the press to diffuse, says Kraby.

[warriorhun]

Dear simonshack and All,

I have some good news to you.
In case if the propaganda effect of the news of the Utoya massacre was lost on you, you do not have to wait too much now, till 2012 only, to watch a movie to ram home the message. Title: "Utoya Island".
No kidding: the trailer of the film is on youtube already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t88KWtJ ... ntrinter=1

I mean this is not subtle or something... At least with the Columbine massacre they waited a few years before the film but there you go... "Hammer the iron while it is still hot" as the Hungarian proverb says in my humble translation.

[Maat]

Dear simonshack and All,

I have some good news to you.
In case if the propaganda effect of the news of the Utoya massacre was lost on you, you do not have to wait too much now, till 2012 only, to watch a movie to ram home the message. Title: "Utoya Island".
No kidding: the trailer of the film is on youtube already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t88KWtJ ... ntrinter=1

I mean this is not subtle or something... At least with the Columbine massacre they waited a few years before the film but there you go... "Hammer the iron while it is still hot" as the Hungarian proverb says in my humble translation.

Yes, warriorhun, and very calculated it is too!

­Meet the "film maker" Vitaliy Versace


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq5mCvbOm4

His 'resume' & 'bio' on iMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2648766/

They laid it on thick:

Note how many shills claim relatives as victims in the comments:
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=2t88KWtJtBw

And this is what it was obviously meant to achieve:
@ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/ar ... d=10758443

Norway massacre film outrages victims
7:25 AM Wednesday Oct 12, 2011

The trailer for a low-budget film based on the Norway massacre and showing young people screaming and running away from a gunman has sparked outcry from survivors of July's mass killing.

A 70-second movie trailer for a film titled Utoya Island - due for release in 2012 - has appeared on YouTube to widespread criticism.

Sixty-nine people were killed on the island on July 22 when a gunman opened fire during a Labor Party youth camp. The man is also accused of triggering a car bomb in Oslo on the same day, killing eight people.

"It is important to find a way to retell what happened," Utoya Island survivor Adrian Pracon told mediaite.com. "But seeing it [done in] this way is simply disgusting."

The trailer begins with haunting music and interjections of machine gun fire, before actors are seen huddling in groups or screaming and running into the water pursued by a man wearing a "politi" uniform.

"As a filmmaker, I thought I should show the world what happened in Norway," director Vitaliy Versace said. "And what could happen if we stopped selling guns to retarded people."

He dismissed criticism that his project was too soon after the event.

"I'm going to kill you all," says an actor portraying confessed gunman Anders Behring Breivik.

The film, which claims to show "the mind behind the Norway shootings", has received a string of damning comments since its upload to YouTube on September 24.

- AAP

[simonshack]

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The OPAC dropouts at play

Wow. How brilliant and cunning. You've got to (almost) admire the efficient work of the OSLO PSYOP planners. Looks like they're squeezing further mileage out of their crappy script - squezzing every penny invested in their Oslo Psyop Actors Crew (hereafter, "OPAC"). The OPAC auditions/castings, it seems, were handled by some shitty TV-production studios (the sort of which recruit fame-thirsty teenagers for 'Big Brother'-type reality shows).

The aspiring young actors used for this farcical "UTØYA ISLAND" trash movie must be the ones discarded at the auditions for the 'real thing' (i.e. THE BREIVIK PSYOP, or the 'real'-reality show); the more talented kids got to perform on the News (in the role of real survivors/or real victims' family members) - while the dropouts now get to perform in "UTOYA ISLAND" (the less demanding, fiction-reality show).

Hooray for equal opportunities (every aspiring young actor gets to play) - and for psy-operational efficiency!

Here's an OPAC dropout used for the upcoming "UTØYA ISLAND" movie:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4cVMYyShjU

Here's a (way more talented) OPAC member - "Adrian Pracon" - performing for the 'real thing' :

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhsoXuIo3y8

The "outrageous UTØYA ISLAND movie" appears to serve a number of purposes (for the PSYOP planners):

1- It generates renewed public attention to the OSLO PSYOP, giving it some useful extra exposure (mostly within the now all-important social networking circles) while fuelling heated debates about 'how horribly offensive all this must be for the victims families'.
2- The sheer crassness of the abysmal 'actors' used for this trash movie actually help raise the credibility of the better actors used to impersonate 'real survivors and family members' of the BREIVIK PSYOP (who, in comparison, appear more legit/authentic).
3- Thus, it effectively helps dig a deeper trench (in the public's consciousness) between fiction and 'reality' - as per the wishes and objectives of the OSLO PSYOP planners. For anyone to now suggest that the alleged 69 victims at Utøya are just fictitious entities becomes an ever tougher concept for the broader public to even consider.

Brilliant - isn't it?

[simonshack]

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ON THE SET OF "UTØYA ISLAND"

Here's a series of short set interviews of the UTØYA ISLAND movie crew. It should be obvious to see why these immature young actors were not entrusted with the delicate task of impersonating mourning family members/or survivors of the 'real shootings':


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km9p9jSM84k


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A6RofdHUPw


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg5zr08OgmY


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3BMeop2OXc


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BY COMPARISON...

By comparison, 'Adrian Pracon' does a quite decent job in his role of 'shooting survivor', even slipping into his performances warm appreciation of the police forces for their 'amazingly quick' reaction and the 'amazing job' of the rescuers, the Red Cross, etc... What a pro!

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR1p5dU1x5Q

In fact, the decent actor 'Adrian Pracon' quickly became 'the face of the Utøya survivors', as he got interviewed over and over again, in his hospital bed, in 'casual street settings' and in press conferences - in all of three languages (Norwegian, English and Polish - his alleged mother language):

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9TxkONgopE

Of course, such talented, cold-blooded young actors are hard to get by - and several 'real witnesses of the shootings' were absolutely dreadful.
Watch this painful performance of 'Dana Barzingi' as he displays just about ALL of the lousy liar's body language in the book:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oukOd4UT9RI

[Heiwa]

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslo ... d=10039960
According newspaper VG already when ABB was four years old (1983) he was considered (by social authorities) aggressive due to bad conditions at home with the divorced mother, etc, etc. The father had already then dropped out. It seems the new idea is to blame the mother! ABB is still kept isolated in prison and cannot meet anybody or read the media due to security reasons. His food is tested för poison according VG. I have a feeling ABB will soon commit suicide so that the case can be closed and the Norwegians can return to normality ... or whatever they call it

[upstream]

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The "outrageous UTØYA ISLAND movie" appears to serve a number of purposes (for the PSYOP planners):

1- It generates renewed public attention to the OSLO PSYOP, giving it some useful extra exposure (mostly within the now all-important social networking circles) while fuelling heated debates about 'how horribly offensive all this must be for the victims families'.
2- The sheer crassness of the abysmal 'actors' used for this trash movie actually help raise the credibility of the better actors used to impersonate 'real survivors and family members' of the BREIVIK PSYOP (who, by comparison, appear more legit/authentic).
3- Thus, it effectively helps dig a deeper trench (in the public's consciousness) between fiction and 'reality' - as per the wishes and objectives of the OSLO PSYOP planners. For anyone to now suggest that the alleged 69 victims at Utøya are just fictitious entities becomes an ever tougher concept for the broader public to even consider.

Brilliant - isn't it?

Exactly. Look at the youtube ratings and comments for the videos. This is the most disliked thing I've ever seen on youtube. That says a lot. 37 Likes/1480 dislikes wow lol.

Mission accomplished.

Also, why couldn't they edit out the "action"'s and other various mistakes in these obviously scripted "promos"? Maybe to emphasize the overall low-budget, shitty, classless feel of this whole operation. Thus creating more outrage and disdain.

[Makkonen]

Another article trying to discredit the research...

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslo ... d=10030939

Cluesforum is mentioned (and Simon). After that, "the usual"...

Religionshistoriker Asbjørn Dyrendal ved NTNU i Trondheim forsker på og underviser i konspirasjonskultur.

- En konspirasjonsteori søker å forklare en hendelse på en måte som står i motsetning til hva allmennheten mener å vite. Ofte kommer man frem til resultatet ved hjelp av fantasifulle tankekrumspring, og konklusjonene er gjerne basert på sviktende data og resonnement, sier han til avisen.

The alleged Asbjørn as text: http://www.ntnu.no/ansatte/asbjorn.dyrendal , and as video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itJjsvSnbUs

[Maat]

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Thanks for finding that, Makk!

HA! You must be hitting the right nerves, Simon, to be mentioned and quoted in a major perp publication! If we weren't getting it dead right they wouldn't bother, they'd ignore us

For English:
Google trans: VG
See: "MONDAY 17 OCTOBER: 07:40"

This is the kind of 'educaters' they have at NTNU?
Google trans: Asbjørn Dyrendal
"Forskning" indeed!

And here is the Bergens Tidende article referenced by VG:
http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Sprer-v ... 93907.html
Needed two authors: Øyvind Lefdal Eidsvik, Christian Nicolaisen
Google trans

Giving us the 'rose finger' Maybe it is still blooming, considering how much bullshit they're spreading around!

Spreading wild theories about the 22 July
The most rabid conspiracy theories is that the state and the power elite in Norway were behind the attacks, 22 July.

"Rabid" eh?

Per Wiki:

Bergens Tidende is Norway's fourth largest newspaper and largest newspaper outside Oslo, with a circulation of about 87,000 copies (2007).[1] Founded in 1868, it is a Norwegian-language newspaper published daily in Bergen. It reaches approximately 260,000 readers every day (2005), mainly in the counties of Hordaland and Sogn og Fjordane. ...

Bergens Tidende is a fully owned subsidiary of Media Norge, which is the holding company of Aftenposten, Bergens Tidende, Stavanger Aftenblad and Fædrelandsvennen. Media Norge is owned by Schibsted.

[nonhocapito]

Actually the most "rabid" theory I heard of is the one about the single christian-fundamentalist guy doing everything alone, with fertilizer and nicotine bullets! According to this rabid theory, real people died, too. Unheard of, I tell you.

[pov603]

Has anyone clicked onto the map showing where the explosion allegedly happened?
There are video links from adjacent areas which you can watch. My initial observations are:

Of the Oslo explosion:
'Injured' people seem to be dressed in green or be wearing something green [it's the green man from Rome!]. There are a couple of people who have coats zipped up which aren't green but I am sure that the one being treated on the ground is wearing 'dark' green underneath and two other guys have the 'light' green tops on.
One of the long videos has a Tina Cart sound-a-like next to the cameraman though we never see her! Strange!
One of the police women in that same video has her face blanked out, why? Is she one of the 'extras' in one of the other shots?

The chaos immediately after is noticeably different in three of the vids ie one is clear with little or no paper around, one is of smoke filled air lots of paper, some of them have many people walking [not running] around, some have hardly anyone yet it is in the same vicinity and after a major event on a main shopping day in a Capital city!
The settings look different even though they are supposed to be in or of the same area.
There are very few injuries and no screaming, shock or otherwise would not stop uninjured people being frightened and showing it.

The video footage in the shop shows some people [two, with one of them in green!] outside who immediately run to the right of the screen [presumably away from danger] whereas when the guy from the shop looks out the same door, he looks mainly to the right as if that is where danger is coming from! Very strange.

Of the Utoya section:
Vids are limited showing nothing, which is odd in itself of course.
The helicopter [from where?] does nothing to intervene.
Most striking of all from my remote perspective is the lack of noise from any shooting that must have been going on almost continuously.

Admittedly most of the above may or can be explained rationally, however as it is the first time I have seen this 'montage' I hope some of my observations have some basis.

[simonshack]

And here is the Bergens Tidende article referenced by VG:
http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Sprer-v ... 93907.html
Needed two authors: Øyvind Lefdal Eidsvik, Christian Nicolaisen
Google trans

Well, Maat...

You may remember that I was recently interviewed by telephone by this young journalist of the Bergens Tidende newspaper.
Here is the link to my earlier post in this thread on this subject matter: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p2358838

Øyvind Lefdal Eidsvik (2005)
(the STUDVEST headline he is peeking through says: " Reacting to silly title")

So Øyvind has now released an article with this dreadfully silly title - in a vapid attempt to ridicule our work:

"Sprer ville teorier om 22. juli"
("Spreading wild theories about July 22") http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Sprer-v ... 93907.html

"We are hundred percent sure what the newspapers write about 22 July is not correct. One need not be an expert to understand how ridiculous it is that one man should be behind this", says one who claims that his name is Simon Hytten.

"One who claims that his name is Simon Hytten" ???

(Once again, and for those who understandably still don't know, Simon Shack is my artist/musician name since about 1993 - officially authorized by the Swedish Musician's Union (STIM). My original birth name is Simon Hytten. As simple as that.)

I really don't know why Øyvind allows himself to insinuate sinister doubts about my name and identity. I must have sounded like a liar to him when we spoke on the phone... In any case, all he could do (if he were a serious journalist) is simply look up the Norwegian census records to verify that I am truly the son of Eyvind Hytten from the little village of Kragerø. He should also easily find out that I'm directly related to Nicolai and Henrik Wergeland - two of the most revered, household names in Norway - for what it's worth...

Of course, Øyvind is fully entitled to say that I am a fool and a nutcase (although he should submit solid proofs to back up this allegation).

Likewise, I am fully entitled to say that "the man who claims to that his name is Øyvind Lefdal Eidsvik" is a fool and a nutcase (and the solid proofs of this are provided in this very thread***). We live in a free, democratic society - don't we?

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*** And this very thread is a living proof of the fact that the internet can provide far more insightful, intelligent and in-depth information than the mainstream media. This OSLO PSYOP thread, for instance, is slowly reaching 100.000 views, and this in spite of a large number of handicaps:

- This forum is very small - it is still very young and has zero publicity. It only exists for those who somehow know that it does.
- No efforts have been done to promote it at all (although we may debate whether we could do something about it...)
- The issues we tackle (media fakery and the general problems related to the sadder aspects of mankind) are not a very merchandisable product.


Having said that, I enjoy all of this immensely. The fact that Cluesforum is being mentioned in Norwegian mainstream newspapers (in whatever form or substance) is a pretty cool thing - and should be an encouraging boost to all of our common efforts !

[hoi.polloi]

Ugh, and people ask us why we aren't getting into newspapers with this information. Why do you think?

Anyway, interesting stuff. They can't deny our beliefs forever. Eventually they will have to acknowledge our beliefs and call us "crazy". Then they will have to acknowledge that "some" of us are not crazy. Then they will have to acknowledge that we are not - in general - very crazy at all. Then, they will have to admit that they've been ignoring us for a long time and they will pretend - grudgingly - that they "discovered" us.

Finally, they will create a political party like the Tea Party to abuse our discoveries for yet more scams and ridicule of the public majority. Then we'll just have to hope they remember who found this stuff and remained mature with the information. I am not saying it's me; I'd say Simon and nonhocapito seem like they are. But undoubtedly someone of repute will eventually catch on. All we have to do is speak the truth to a few such intelligent people who will listen. If it's really valuable it will catch on. Bravo Simon for keepin' on. This is a good and peaceful struggle for peace.

[Mickey]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

... allegedly a quote by Gandhi.