OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[disinpho]

There's a lot of passive aggressive (and plain aggresive) attitude on this forum, and it's mostly coming from the moderators and it's too bad.

I'll remind you that (especially) this thread and others on this forum has been under constant attack from "friends of relatives" and other people trying to distract or digress the discussion, so peoples nerves are probably wearing thin.

The easiest way to avoid any conflict is to stick to constructive original posts when possible, and take as little offence by specific language or comments - as any remarks you might have on such comments digress from the main topic - Oslo and Utøya 22-7 in this case.

At the same time, I'd like to applaud you and anyone who's done all this good, original research, there are many good researchers and posters on this forum, and probably many members like me, who wants to contribute, but are struggling to keep pace with the constant revelations and original research on this forum.

[simonshack]

There's a lot of passive aggressive (and plain aggresive) attitude on this forum, and it's mostly coming from the moderators and it's too bad.

Dear Kentrailer,

At this moment, the active moderators of this forum are two: Nonhocapito and yours truly - the other two, Hoi Polloi and Maat, being a little busy getting on with their lives - something which I have utmost respect for.

I do respect your work too, Kentrailer/aka Yotube user Sanluisskywatch - and I can't seem to remember having ever been aggressive with you. So I must surmise that you are having a problem with Nonho. I have read all of his posts addressed to you, and cannot frankly see any aggressiveness in them. He may perhaps be a little too demanding when it comes to source-referencing material posted on this forum - but other than that, he does an excellent job in co-moderating Cluesforum. As you may know, I have met him personally several times and he is a really nice guy.

I will therefore kindly ask you to refrain from calling "the moderators of this forum" an aggressive lot. It hurts and offends me - since the very scope of our efforts is to bring on a more peaceful/non-aggressive world. Thanks!

[jaytotale]

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[nonhocapito]

I am still waiting on your videos.. where I can ask you the sources for every video you use.. but so far, I haven't seen anything.

I always try to provide the source for any material I post on this forum. Feel free to point out where I haven't and I will immediately correct it if I can. Won't need to be thanked either.

[Kentrailer]

At this moment, the active moderators of this forum are two: Nonhocapito and yours truly - the other two, Hoi Polloi and Maat, being a little busy getting on with their lives - something which I have utmost respect for.

Point noted. It will not happen again.

I love what's going on in this forum, and what other people are finding out.

I will go an try and find the source accounts for the ID badge video now. I understand where you're coming from Nonhocapito.. I'll see what I can find retrospectively (next time, I'll just save the video as the video title and record the date and account).
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Finding the videos online with the file names I provided turned out to be pretty simple :

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRMUDKOVa9k (Oslo Bombing - minutes after blast.mov )
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT686H1-U8k (Oslo Attentat 22 july 2011 - 3 minutes after the blast)
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNRkoLhVy7o (Seconds after the bomb attack in Oslo july 22nd 2011)
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4_-i4xbm0c (-EILMELDUNG- Bombenanschlag auf Norwegens Hauptstadt Oslo )
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taQIgCGhnU (Destruction wrought by Oslo bomb blast )
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cffl8uhBlrY Footage Walking Through Center of Oslo After 7/22 NWO Staged Explosion - Bombing Aftermath (2/2)
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFrZ0a-3xyU Footage Walking Through Center of Oslo After 7/22 NWO Staged Explosion - Bombing Aftermath (1/2)
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX-SPWcyJ8U Oslo bomb 22.07.2011
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1nm9ddNFpE Norway Oslo first seconds after exlplosion in government district 22 july 2011
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAPNDMwv1I Oslo Explosion 22.07.2011
11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5CeYKeB5m0 Oslo: Bomb blast near Norway prime minister's office 2011 22 July
12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YVlLMRdfdU 76 Tote nach Explosion und Schießerei in Oslo/Utöja - Norway
13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvjvDrvY0-s Terror in Oslo: 2nd huge explosion inside of a building - a fake!

[nonhocapito]

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRMUDKOVa9k (Oslo Bombing - minutes after blast.mov )
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT686H1-U8k (Oslo Attentat 22 july 2011 - 3 minutes after the blast)
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNRkoLhVy7o (Seconds after the bomb attack in Oslo july 22nd 2011)
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4_-i4xbm0c (-EILMELDUNG- Bombenanschlag auf Norwegens Hauptstadt Oslo )
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taQIgCGhnU (Destruction wrought by Oslo bomb blast )
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cffl8uhBlrY Footage Walking Through Center of Oslo After 7/22 NWO Staged Explosion - Bombing Aftermath (2/2)
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFrZ0a-3xyU Footage Walking Through Center of Oslo After 7/22 NWO Staged Explosion - Bombing Aftermath (1/2)
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX-SPWcyJ8U Oslo bomb 22.07.2011
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1nm9ddNFpE Norway Oslo first seconds after exlplosion in government district 22 july 2011
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAPNDMwv1I Oslo Explosion 22.07.2011
11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5CeYKeB5m0 Oslo: Bomb blast near Norway prime minister's office 2011 22 July
12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YVlLMRdfdU 76 Tote nach Explosion und Schießerei in Oslo/Utöja - Norway
13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvjvDrvY0-s Terror in Oslo: 2nd huge explosion inside of a building - a fake!

Thanks, Kentrailer. This is most useful reference.

[Kentrailer]

Thanks, Kentrailer. This is most useful reference.

No problem Nonhocapito.. Thank you for all you have done regarding the Norway False Flag, especially synching up those videos which proved the camera flashes were off. I consider that to be the video fakery smoking gun of this entire event- great work.

[Makkonen]

A user on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/hildurb87) claimed to me that his/her/its sister died on Utøya. The supposedly dead sister's name is Andrine Bakkene Espeland. (This according to the various tribute videos on hildurb87's channel.)

I found three pictures of "Andrine" that were most probably composed from the same facial expression template with bigger variation then applied to body & clothing. I put the pictures in a slideshow:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD-x4JqyUwY

I don't think "Andrine" exists, even though "hildurb87" was quite forward when he/she/it stated his/her/its claim.

Sorry for shamelessly quoting myself , but I actually only now realized (how dumb of me!) that Andrine Bakkene Espeland is a "close cousin" name of Anders Behring Breivik. Not only the same initials in the first and middle names, but also they are rhythmically similar in pronunciation. The linguistic and phonetical similarities of the simulated ABB and ABE entities are thus, I believe, the result of a name generating algorithm working in an extremely simplified or at least "streamlined" mode.

Just like relatively complex-looking computer games' levels can be created with surprisingly "simple" or "streamlined" programs, I imagine the perps are working with a similar kind of setup: build a relatively sophisticated base engine, but use a simplified or streamlined "quick creator" to ensure the easiness and volume of production at the cost of what we're seeing (general sloppiness, crude name algorithms, overuse of some facial expression, character or other templates, etc.).

[pdgalles]

A user on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/hildurb87) claimed to me that his/her/its sister died on Utøya. The supposedly dead sister's name is Andrine Bakkene Espeland. (This according to the various tribute videos on hildurb87's channel.)

I found three pictures of "Andrine" that were most probably composed from the same facial expression template with bigger variation then applied to body & clothing. I put the pictures in a slideshow:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD-x4JqyUwY

I don't think "Andrine" exists, even though "hildurb87" was quite forward when he/she/it stated his/her/its claim.

Sorry for shamelessly quoting myself , but I actually only now realized (how dumb of me!) that Andrine Bakkene Espeland is a "close cousin" name of Anders Behring Breivik. Not only the same initials in the first and middle names, but also they are rhythmically similar in pronunciation. The linguistic and phonetical similarities of the simulated ABB and ABE entities are thus, I believe, the result of a name generating algorithm working in an extremely simplified or at least "streamlined" mode.

Just like relatively complex-looking computer games' levels can be created with surprisingly "simple" or "streamlined" programs, I imagine the perps are working with a similar kind of setup: build a relatively sophisticated base engine, but use a simplified or streamlined "quick creator" to ensure the easiness and volume of production at the cost of what we're seeing (general sloppiness, crude name algorithms, overuse of some facial expression, character or other templates, etc.).

So you think it more likely that the naming similarity is due to some form of cost-cutting/processor-saving/inept-oversight rather than a deliberate device to remind the reader/viewer of ABB? That this stuff is going "public" without even being given a quick once-over, rather than the whole event being meticulously planned? Every event analysed on this forum has deliberate errors and still no one can explain why.

[Makkonen]

So you think it more likely that the naming similarity is due to some form of cost-cutting/processor-saving/inept-oversight rather than a deliberate device to remind the reader/viewer of ABB? That this stuff is going "public" without even being given a quick once-over, rather than the whole event being meticulously planned? Every event analysed on this forum has deliberate errors and still no one can explain why.

I think the general sloppiness (and other faults) are "just" a byproduct of the perps' modus operandi. They operate like a business still, with the ever-ideal of minimum input, maximum output. However, it is a risky game they are playing: if the mindset of a cluesforumian was shared by more (and more) people, it would be game over for the perps. In the present climate the PsyOp teams can still afford putting the emphasis on frequency and volume of their production rather than any outstanding quality, so the sloppiness is not so much a deliberation as it is an epiphenomenon.

[herrnimrod]

I think economic concerns are of little consequence to those who print money. I'm leaning towards it being deliberate.

[simonshack]

The linguistic and phonetical similarities of the simulated ABB and ABE entities are thus, I believe, the result of a name generating algorithm working in an extremely simplified or at least "streamlined" mode.

Dear Makko,

I just had another brief look at the Oslo vicsim list. Now, let me hasten to say: I don't think that what I found (as illustrated below) is much evidence for a name-generating algorithm being used to make up these names. However, keep in mind we are talking about a list of only 77 individuals (or 69, in fact - as all the names below are from the Utøya casualty list). It's not like they had to come up with 3000 names (such as for 9/11). Anyways, here's a little food for thought.

Now, Johan/Johansen/or Johannesen are of course pretty common names/surnames in Norway. Yet, I find this collection of the Oslo 'attack' somewhat interesting (note the constant presence of "o" and "e" throughout this name/surname list of alleged Utøya victims:

Rolf Christopher Johansen
Ronja Soettar Johansen
Maria Maageroe Johannesen (but also, Maageroe)
Johannes Buoe

(Disclaimer - for Norwegian mothertongue naysayers: YES, I am well aware that "oe" is the non-Norwegian transcription for our letter "ø". However, these names have been published all over the world with the "oe" spelling.)

We then have this couple of vicsims which, for some reason (to be 'fair', I'll have to guess this is just happenstance/coincidence) just happen to appear side-by-side in this BBC list of the alleged Utøya victims:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14276074

Monica Iselin Didriksen
Diderik Aamodt Olsen

Now, please consider that both the first name "Diderik" and the surname "Didriksen" are fairly rare Norwegian names
(I got, for instance, only 51 hits for "Diderik" in the Oslo telephone directories).

That's all. Nothing much, you might say - but food for thought nonetheless.

[Makkonen]

Thanks for taking a look at that, Simon.

I'm thinking about the name generating algorithm theory extensively (not just for simulated victims, but also for fake photographers and suchlike) because the PsyOp teams could then simply cherry pick from a big stack of names.

For example, Anders Behring Breivik sounds to me like a rather casual name, not unlike from a list generated by some (semi-)automated algorithmic process, even though he is the main simulated antagonist in this PsyOp.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't any human or subjective deliberation involved in the process of creating these identities, but I think it might save them both time and money that the surface-level details (image, name) are being more and more streamlined for "low-level" employees to handle (no need for handsomely compensated creative artists/groups/etc.). Also, the constant repetition of certain motifs in these PsyOps suggests that there isn't much of any thinking outside the box involved in the "creative" process.

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents.

[Doomday/Heinz]

Is there a reason why there is much more info on this case in the "media" compared to the Tuscon event ?
Tuscon happened before Oslo , a year and 2 months ago, yet we hardly hear anything about "mr loughner" anymore.

I am interested in both cases personally but just thought it curious.

[Euphoria]

Is there a reason why there is much more info on this case in the "media" compared to the Tuscon event ?
Tuscon happened before Oslo , a year and 2 months ago, yet we hardly hear anything about "mr loughner" anymore.

I am interested in both cases personally but just thought it curious.

I'm guessing because the perps intended for this to have more of an impact than Tuscon.

Also Tuscon was more US-oriented, while Norway was regional and international. The Social Democrats in Denmark benefited from the Norway PSYOP. It made a big impact in Scandinavia as a whole. I was living in Denmark at the time and people were very shocked (they bought the lie).

I think the perps want to build more of a narrative around Breivik, to turn him into a controversial figure, to help drive the 'culture war.'

The Giffords PSYOP may have been to test-drive the first fake Congressperson (I don't know if it was established that different 'actresses' have been used?) or just to turn the mob against conservative militia types. Again, USA only, not international.