It seem this is getting more and more far out.
The research done here is pathetic, to say it nice. Only few persons here really do a nice job.
1. I hope some of you guys in here never get to have any power what so ever, because you want people to prove they exist and what happened have to be proved to have happened. Its like saying that you have killed a person and its you to prove you did not.!!!
2. Most pictures taken have been taken with a digital camera, the picture have been through photoshop or another picture editing program. Any pictures shown is JPG meaning its compressed. Compressed pictures makes artifacts - ALWAYS.!!!!
3. Many of you have referred to news media outside Norway, which often is translating the news via "google" maybe or what ever, but just as often getting things wrong. I read Norwegian newspaper as it was my mother language. Also see some of you guys often use google translate despite people here have offered to translate for you as google translate sux big time.
4. Seem some still believe that ABB used to Bislet car. WRONG.!!! Get the facts right.!!!
5. No media or in any news or any claim it have been said that 700 people were living or staying for several days at the Island. Meaning that the number of tents doesnt picture how many people are at Island at a given time. Remember there are boats and ferry.!!!! So again making assumptions and not being clever in the research.!!!!
6. If you really want to see things, then god damn get a ticket and go there and see for yourself. Its really cheap. Any should be able to afford that. Way better than keep shouting troll and what we have, even many things have been proven right in your face. Especially you Brianv. You seem to totally have lost it. Sorry dude, but you seriously should consider have a looooong holiday and get a life for a little while to refresh your brain. Brianv, you seem more like a troll than all those you claim to be trolls combined.!!!
7. Do know that in any case no matter if fake or real incident, that news media is not there to tell you the truth, they are there to earn money and to make propaganda. So even if an incident is real, they will make false pictures, alter them and what ever it takes to earn more money, to make more propaganda. Yet, that itself doesnt prove the incident as a whole is false.
8. Hope you guys can get back to earlier days (3 years ago or so when I joined) and get as minimum the same quality in the research. Actually you should have improved over the years, not going totally down the drain.
9. If you start look close at the incident, then you also will start see some patterns. Though it takes that you are able to read and understand the news from Norwegian medias, else you simply dont get the points.
9a. Lets assume the incident and victims are real.! Then you will start wonder why the police took around 30 minutes more to get to the Island than it could have. Its very easy to think that the intelligence service there already knew it would happen and some in the top are responsible for not getting the massacre stopped earlier. There is something to look into. Something that is obvious and something that is relevant. (Its not relevant if many or all at a gathering is wearing jeans or some compressed pictures have artifacts, nor is it relevant if there is 156 or 256 tents on the Island).
9b. Lets assume the incident never happened and all are vicsims. Sorry dudes, it would already have been discovered by all people in Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Way long before you even had a chance.!!! You cant hide so many killed in so small communities. Just forget it. Remember each country have less total citizens than Rome, Paris or any other huge city in Europe. Many such small communities that the victims are from, are villages with 200 or 500 citizens. You simply cant make up vicsims there. Only trolls, Alex Jones and the like would come up with so pathetic claims.!!!
10. There were no drill at the day of the incident. A news media posted something about the drill on the 20th july. Actually that drill happened some time in March/April. Just to let you know.
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Undertecknad får nu ett intryck av att det som här sägs inte är med sanningen överenstämmande. Om påståendet är riktigt så borde rimligen också innebörden av dessa rader kunna uppfattas.kimlodrodawa wrote:
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3. Many of you have referred to news media outside Norway, which often is translating the news via "google" maybe or what ever, but just as often getting things wrong. I read Norwegian newspaper as it was my mother language...
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"many things have been proven right in your face"
Such as... (please list them, kimlodrodawa)
Such as... (please list them, kimlodrodawa)
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Saa enkelt er det slet ikke. Hvis du taler dit modersmaal, vil du sätte tingene sammen paa den rigtige maade og deermed faa den rette mening. Det er saa nemt at tro man forstaar en hel masse ud fra en til tider daarlige oversättelse. Din oversättelse er behäftet med en del fejl, men det ser du bare ikke foruden du taler sproget eller er särdeles god til det.!!! Selv om jeg ikke er svensker, saa har jeg dog boet der et par aar og har masser af baade norske og svenske venner. De ville aldrig tale som det staar skrevet der. Dog er der intet i de to sätninger der, der er saa svärt at man ikke kan forstaa meningen. Andet er naar du har en avis artikel som skal oversättes eller noget hvori der er nogle ting som er indforstaaet blandt den lokale befolkning.traumabasedmindcontr wrote:Undertecknad får nu ett intryck av att det som här sägs inte är med sanningen överenstämmande. Om påståendet är riktigt så borde rimligen också innebörden av dessa rader kunna uppfattas.kimlodrodawa wrote:
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3. Many of you have referred to news media outside Norway, which often is translating the news via "google" maybe or what ever, but just as often getting things wrong. I read Norwegian newspaper as it was my mother language...
Saa skraat op i röven med din google translation. Den er ikke en skid värd og du vil sadig ikke fatte en brik af hvad der bliver sagt. Du vil höjst faa nogle stikord nu og da, og hvis du ikke tager dig i agt vil forvränge det hele og gufle det hele forkert. (Ligesom her. Det jeg har skrevet her kräver du taler modersmaalet ellers vil du ikke fatte en skid).
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kimlodrodawa wrote: 10. There were no drill at the day of the incident. A news media posted something about the drill on the 20th july. Actually that drill happened some time in March/April. Just to let you know.
NO, dear kimlodrodawa (from Denmark)
The Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten has kept changing the date of their article regarding the drill. The first time I bumped into that story (a couple of days after the fact) I clearly read its Norwegian online edition which stated that it took place 2 days before the 'OSLO ATTACK" - which means Wednesday, July 20, 2011.
I saved that page in my favorites - of course.
Now, as I reopen that page that I saved in my favorites - here's the date that very same article displays:
http://mobil.aftenposten.no/article.htm ... Id=3569108
This constant (and absurd) date-changing is being discussed on other Scandinavian blogs which I have been lurking at - please spare me the trouble of remembering and linking you to these blogs...
Ok, so let me tell you what I think - in all honesty - dear kimlododrawa:
1: I have always suspected you of being some sort of 'sleeper-cell-troll' huddling here in the backstage of this forum.
2: The story of the Oslo military drill is yet another carrot for 'sunday-conspiracy theorists' - as I like to call them. Hundreds of those carrots were bandied about for 9/11: we are not about to fall for the same bait once again - not here on cluesforum.
3: Lastly, I think that I have been all-too-tolerant to let you drop your periodical spills of poo on this forum. Bye luv.
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Nej, det skulle dom inte göra - och det beror på att jag medvetet använde mig av synonymer som intekimlodrodawa wrote: ... Hvis du taler dit modersmaal, vil du sätte tingene sammen paa den rigtige maade og deermed faa den rette mening. Det er saa nemt at tro man forstaar en hel masse ud fra en til tider daarlige oversättelse. Din oversättelse er behäftet med en del fejl, men det ser du bare ikke foruden du taler sproget eller er särdeles god til det.!!! Selv om jeg ikke er svensker, saa har jeg dog boet der et par aar og har masser af baade norske og svenske venner. De ville aldrig tale som det staar skrevet der...
så lätt skulle kunna förstås. Jag hade fel när jag uppfattade det hela som att du inte var norskspråkig.
Du, å andra sidan, visar tydligt att du inte har någon stor aning om vad det är du talar om. Det var inte
nödvändigt för mig att översätta någonting till svenska, då svenskan är mitt modersmål. "En del fel", förvisso.
Från din sida - och inte från något annat håll.
No, they wouldn't - and that's because i made an effort to use synonyms that would not easily be understood.
I stand corrected as to your knowledge of the norwegian language. You on the other hand show clearly that
you know little of what you speak. I didn't translate anything into swedish, since it was my mothers tongue.
"A series of errors", indeed. On your part!
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Dammit Simon, now we'll never know what was proven right in front of our faces. I guess we will just have to wallow in our own ignorance.
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The woman and the girl appear to be walking from one Tombstone Memorial to the next...traumabasedmindcontr wrote:
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who is looking for it?kimlodrodawa wrote:It seem this is getting more and more far out.
9b. Lets assume the incident never happened and all are vicsims. Sorry dudes, it would already have been discovered by all people in Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Way long before you even had a chance.!!! You cant hide so many killed in so small communities. Just forget it. Remember each country have less total citizens than Rome, Paris or any other huge city in Europe. Many such small communities that the victims are from, are villages with 200 or 500 citizens. You simply cant make up vicsims there. Only trolls, Alex Jones and the like would come up with so pathetic claims.!!!
who would discover it?
what would they do about it if they did? i think you underestimate the social drive to fit in with your community. how many people at this point are going to bring up to their friends.. "Hey.. I don't recognize any of those people... Do you think this is all fake?" seriously, do you see that happening very often?
how many do you think would want to publicize their feelings with their social circles, or on the internet and risk being ostracized? what is the incentive to speak out about this?
do you think any popular media outlet is going to run that story?
and btw, Alex Jones (and every other popular "truther" I have ever heard) does not go near the subject of media fakery/psyops/vicsims.
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This is the most interesting statement I read so far by a norwegian "newbie". Alone it could be grounds not to be banned, at least if you were sincere in your position.kimlodrodawa wrote:7. Do know that in any case no matter if fake or real incident, that news media is not there to tell you the truth, they are there to earn money and to make propaganda. So even if an incident is real, they will make false pictures, alter them and what ever it takes to earn more money, to make more propaganda. Yet, that itself doesnt prove the incident as a whole is false.
So we agree that the media would alter pictures in order to make money and spread propaganda. Good seeing that you know this, considering that this business of systematically altering pictures and newsreels to project a different, alternative reality more useful to the purposes of governments and other groups of power has been going on for well over a century.
Now that you acknowledged this, go home and watch the 14 years old movie "Wag the dog" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/) ...then come back.
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An obelisk/phallus and a pyramid to add to the earlier stone owl. They sure don't miss a beat with their rigorous Masonic aesthetics.traumabasedmindcontr wrote:The woman and the girl appear to be walking from one Tombstone Memorial to the next...traumabasedmindcontr wrote:
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Haha, "coldacid", another illiterate, impotent shill attack!simonshack wrote: ....
Now, I may understand someone making a typo of "ridiculous" (spelling it "ridicilous") once or twice. But 5 times? To be sure, I'm certainly not infallible myself, however, if you ask me if a normally educated Norwegian would ever honestly think that "ridicilous" is how you spell the word "ridiculous" - I would say no. No way. All Scandinavians (Swedes, Danes and Norwegians alike) are taught English at school at a very early age and would not make such gross spelling errors. In fact, most of the trolls we've had here lately (all IP's of which are of Scandinavian origin) have displayed similarly grave spelling problems. So you may ask, what's my point? Well, I suspect none of them are Scandinavians. Enough said.
And now I see another one bites the dust!
Dupes, shills & trolls always
You're absolutely right, Simon, coldacid was definitely not a Norwegian or Scandinavian. In fact, I can confirm that all authentic and educated adult Scandinavians I've known in my years of writing online (including your good self) have a far better command of proper English grammar than most American, Aussie or British natives! (Sorry mates, but it's true )
Just skimming through 'coldacid's verbal diarrhea, I made some notes for future forensic linguistic ref as well, e.g.
'It' used the expression "have a go at", i.e. an Australian & British idiom.
Misspellings of: 'too' as "to"; 'meant' as "ment" (same as a former troll, "regex") ; 'of course' as "offcourse" (one I've noticed common to Dutch/Belgian natives) & ridiculous as "ridicilous", ad nauseam
Since most are repeated they were not one-off typos either, as you already pointed out. Although it puzzles me why they're always too stupid/lazy to even use a browser with an auto-spellchecker, their syntax still acts like a signature nevertheless.
I was particularly amused by its including my joke image of Zero brand skull socks in its ranting Projection of how we all "see something not right/mystic" etc. in every "picture", despite that one obviously representing sock puppet trolls like that idiot. Guess that must have hit a nerve in its last incarnation, eh
Trolls = Zero
Speaking of sock incarnations, since the IPs reveal their geo-location if on a static and those purposely trying to hide it on a proxy, it always amused me when moderating a writing site for years how trolls would "think" they were being so smart by changing IPs, but which really only ever helped confirm they were the same idiot(s)! God I love irony
If some of them really are just brainwashed dupes in denial, then you'd think their emotional reaction & (admitted!)fascination with this site would tell them they obviously have doubts. Otherwise, it only proves 'good help is hard to find' for shilling these days
P.S. @ trauma
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Makkonen wrote:I believe we're witnessing something like a pagan/occult/Masonic/(one's choice of secret society) ritual, achieved through fakery. This psy op has been laden (no BinLaden pun intended!) with sun/moon symbolism and also red/rose symbolism (even a few skulls here and there)! They've been promulgated so heavily from the beginning that they are not an accident, nor are they something that just "emerged" as the psy op - timeline advanced.Unleashed wrote:I would have thought these loved ones were supposedly buried by now. Why aren't they just visiting their graves instead of bringing stuff to a rock where nothing happened still?
Why are they insistent on these symbolisms and made-up rituals? I don't know, but as nonhocapito said:
nonhocapito wrote:(because yes, isn't the whole "rock & roses" thing also yet another way to rid of christianity, and replace its symbolism, now deemed as "bad" since all religions create "nut cases", with a new inexpressive pagan symbolism, which is "good" and "politically correct")?
I think so too. There always seem to be elements that suggest the Masonic/Illuminati influence.
Recently, I have been looking into the work of Robert Anton Wilson. He spoke of The Law of Fives.
I wondered if it played a role in this. This is new to me but it uses 23 or 2+3. I saw that not only was July 22nd a date that harkens back to other double numbers, or doubling of numbers, it was also the 203 day of the year! And tomorrow when the "recreation" of events is done is slated for the 19th. It will be the 231 day. Also a common date, or number that is used. Maybe because they are prime numbers?
This notion of Discordianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism fits in with their view of paradoxes. As much as they may say over and over that the goal is harmony and order, as represented by Utoya, and the motto "Order out of Chaos", one of the Laws is "Imposition of Order = Escalation of Chaos.
I also went back to re-read some of the earlier articles. In light now of the heavy use of roses in the symbolism. In one article, Jens Stoltenberg declares "the roses are crying" in reference to Bano Rashid. In another, Thomas Breen, parliamentarian says, "we have lost one of our most beautiful roses", in reference to "Ishmail Ahmed". The article went on to let the reader know in the first paragraph where Jens was when all this was taking place. He was at Oslo's largest Mosque for a special ceremony. http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre76s1ei-us-norway/ He also attended Mona Abdinur's funeral. This article says all Muslim's funerals were held within the first 24 hours. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... d42278.4a1
I think Ismail Ahmed was reported to be on the 29th, not within 24 hours.
Hmmm. At any rate, I had never before thought of roses in connection to Norway. Tulips of course, and other bulbs, sure. So maybe the symbolism is to tie in Rosicrucians or the 18th degree in the Scottish Rites. Which in turn ties in with Knights Templars and the over-the-top youtube of Andersim prominently displaying the big red cross on their tunics.
See how mixed the messages are? Almost chaotic.
[ I hope I didn't misspell anything! You guys have totally given me a complex about it. ]
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Are these tombstone rocks supposed to represent natural rocks that just happen to be across from UTØYA, or are these supposed to be artifacts that were installed at this area (to display brass plaques, or provide seating or something of that nature)?
I have no experience with Norwegian geology. The troll's comment that the red rock was supposed to be a "steel plate" has me wondering if these tombstone rocks were actually installed for the UTØYA event itself, and are intended to contain little brass plaques with the names of the dead vicsims, etc.
The 7/7 memorial in Hyde Park, London has a bunch of broken obelisks, is it possible that the UTØYA Art Committee has already begun work on the Memorial Museum and that construction is running ahead of schedule?
I can imagine that there might be one or two tombstone shaped rocks from which UTØYA can be photographed, but so many? Nobody ever buys a tombstone in that neighborhood because they're so plentiful by the side of the road. There's one, just throw it in the back of the truck, Anders
I have no experience with Norwegian geology. The troll's comment that the red rock was supposed to be a "steel plate" has me wondering if these tombstone rocks were actually installed for the UTØYA event itself, and are intended to contain little brass plaques with the names of the dead vicsims, etc.
The 7/7 memorial in Hyde Park, London has a bunch of broken obelisks, is it possible that the UTØYA Art Committee has already begun work on the Memorial Museum and that construction is running ahead of schedule?
I can imagine that there might be one or two tombstone shaped rocks from which UTØYA can be photographed, but so many? Nobody ever buys a tombstone in that neighborhood because they're so plentiful by the side of the road. There's one, just throw it in the back of the truck, Anders