The MOON HOAX

If NASA faked the moon landings, does the agency have any credibility at all? Was the Space Shuttle program also a hoax? Is the International Space Station another one? Do not dismiss these hypotheses offhand. Check out our wider NASA research and make up your own mind about it all.
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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Nonho, I agree with you! I watched the Bart Sibrel stuff over a year ago and had the same suspicions — his unnecessarily nasty, confrontational approach and entrapment attempts (for obvious sensational effect) could have no other outcome but to provoke the angry resistance he got from his targets and thereby paint all moon hoax investigators as "obnoxious fools". Some of the astronots, Alan Bean [Apollo 12] & Gene Cernan [Apollo 10 & 17), did 'swear on the Bible' to get rid of Sibrel (absurd as that is), but they sounded like silly liars in the preceding interviews anyway.

However, I do think Sibrel is at least a "useful idiot" (if not a deliberate disinfo agent) for the ongoing NASA fakery, since the whole premise of faking shots of a 'distant' Earth from orbit actually reinforces the assumption that the astronots were in space. Why would they need to be? That presumption could only help to endorse the "space shuttle" program as being real! As I said before, here: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts
Maat wrote:... It is therefore also highly unlikely that the Apollo 11 crew were even sent into Low Earth Orbit at all; movie makers never risk the life of their cash-cow stars either — it's made more doubtful still by the controlled opposition's practice of reinforcing that assumption, e.g. Bart Sibrel (And remembering Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey had a very convincing 'floating pen' in 1968 too)
If Hollywood producers don't even risk their VIP actors' lives in dangerous stunts for big budget movies, why would NASA do that for something so hugely important to them as the 'moon missions' hoax for Cold War propaganda?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUM1KqLGJyQ
See the 'swear on bible' farce with Alan Bean at 4:51 [& Gene Cernan @ 5:51 in Part 4]
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full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tWqh7OuLWE
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full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFAZoVGxqY4
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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I just learned of the company Fly by Foy recently. Here's a promo blurb:

http://www.flybyfoy.com/serv_film.htm

From the last paragraph on the page describing their work with NASA:

"Of course sensible people realize that what we saw on TV was the actual landing, but nevertheless, the Foy/NASA team was at the ready."

Just in case any of you naughty folks out there are thinking of not being sensible.
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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NASA DELIBERATES, DECIDES TO SIMULATE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2tuynrQ00
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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Burningame wrote:
reel.deal wrote:
For me 911 was about adults behaving badly. But with the Moon Hoax, with its denial of the science, its stripping away of what should be Mankind’s greatest glory, it’s something that also intrinsically affects children, or to be more precise, the child-like nature of humanity itself. There seems to be a lot of “Emperor’s New Clothes” syndrome around a lot lately.man never went to the moon
911 was also a "denial of science". From my understanding of physics, it would be impossible for an aluminum plane to "cut" through a steel and concrete building. But wait, we all saw it on tv, so it must be true! Lol.
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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I was checking out the color curves/gamma levels on NASA's pics of Buzz Aldrin 'on the Moon' to see what differences there were between their high & low res versions, here are the results:

NASA's Buzz on Moon High Res
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@ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... iginal.jpg
From: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5903HR.jpg

Buzz on Moon ("padded version"):
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@ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... llo_11.jpg
From: http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GP ... 000013.jpg

No Exif data on the Nasa originals, of course: http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=http% ... 5903HR.jpg
Maat wrote: Buzz Lightyear Returns from Space
Monday, October 05, 2009

_________________Toy Buzz ▼ ←-------------------------------------→ REAL Buzz ▼___________
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Ref pg 17: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2360621
So, here's my version of the Real Buzz on NASA's moon :P

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Re: Moon Hoax/NASA Bullcrap

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New fake moon mission will "map the moon's interior," NASA says:

Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -core.html

Here we see the fake launch with the fake spectators in the fake foreground watching in fake awe:

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error level analysis result on above photo
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Re: Moon Hoax/NASA Bullcrap

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@lux, forgive my ignorance if this has been done before on another post but could you or someone post a personal picture [ie one that you know the source of or have even taken yourself] and show the/any error level so that others [including myself] can see how this truly works and how the fakers are manipulating photos in general.

Getting back to the Moon Hoax I think the best way to deal with it is to throw the line [if someone ever says they believe Nasa went/landed etc] 'So, we landed men on the moon before we even thought of putting wheels on the bottom of suitcases?'.

Tongue-in-cheek of course but does put the 'gargantuan' effort by Nasa to pinpoint land some men in a tin can with computers allegedly not much more complex than most pocket calculators people have these days!
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Re: Moon Hoax/NASA Bullcrap

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pov603 wrote:@lux, forgive my ignorance if this has been done before on another post but could you or someone post a personal picture [ie one that you know the source of or have even taken yourself] and show the/any error level so that others [including myself] can see how this truly works and how the fakers are manipulating photos in general.
There is an explanation of how ELA works on the ELA web site:
http://errorlevelanalysis.com/

Here is my paraphrase:
Every time a JPEG image is saved it degrades slightly. ELA basically measures how many times different parts of the image have been saved. If the image is more or less original (without added parts from other images) than all areas of the image should have been saved the same number of times and the ELA result should appear fairly uniform in color/brightness throughout. There are exceptions though: edges of objects and the color red.

Here is a photo I took with its ELA result:
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Except for some edges (on the car) and the color red (the tail lights) the ELA is pretty uniform throughout and nothing really stands out. This is as it should be because it's just a straight photo with no adding of elements.

Now, here's a photo showing a young lady in front of some foliage:
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The lady does stand out a little from the background in the ELA result. She's a little lighter so I would be a little suspicious that she may have been added to the photo though it's not very obvious so I'm not sure.

Now, here's the same photo with an addition that I made in Photoshop:
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The guy on the left definitely stands out in the ELA result and so it's clear that that part of the image came from another photo.

Now, in this ELA result that I posted above (and below) notice that the lower portion of the photo (the foreground) is definitely lighter than the upper portion. It is clearly of a different color and brightness and the transition point is right above the heads of the spectators -- just as if they had been copy/pasted into the photo from another source.
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full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pjmXy7qLlo


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzkoG0SIEcs
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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Jared Loner wrote:
Burningame wrote:
reel.deal wrote:
For me 911 was about adults behaving badly. But with the Moon Hoax, with its denial of the science, its stripping away of what should be Mankind’s greatest glory, it’s something that also intrinsically affects children, or to be more precise, the child-like nature of humanity itself. There seems to be a lot of “Emperor’s New Clothes” syndrome around a lot lately.man never went to the moon
911 was also a "denial of science". From my understanding of physics, it would be impossible for an aluminum plane to "cut" through a steel and concrete building. But wait, we all saw it on tv, so it must be true! Lol.
Yesterday I was chatting to a university entry level high school science teacher, about the complexities of Physics & Newton's laws of motion & gravity, so as to lead into a discussion about the Moon landings.

Oh ! he says, thats easy for every action there is an equal & opposite reaction, if you hit something using an object the damage to what's been hit is relative to any damage to the object used, for every action there is an opposite equal reaction..

Then I asked him about Newton's law of Motion when applied to the moon landings,
"oh when the space craft leaves the Earth's atmosphere it travels through space, at the same speed in which it exits the earth's atmosphere, without the need to burn any more fuel until it reaches the orbit of another planet (moon)".

I said, "well if the space craft can travel through space at thousands of miles an hour, what are the chances of being hit by a piece of speeding space debris also travelling at thousands of MPH"

"Oh! they would have had computors that would have worked all that out in advance" he repied.

Now for the good bit. I said " if you apply Newton's law of motion to 9/11, how did 2 aluminium planes each disappear into the WTC towers with steel columns spaced less than one metre apart."

"Because the towers were stationary, and the 2 planes had the momentum to cut through the steel columns" Was his reply.

I managed to keep my cool, then went on to explain UA93 burrowing into the ground, "Oh ! I never knew that."

Do Newton's law of motion & gravity really exist in the way we have been taught at school, or is it a form of straight jacketing brain washing ?
What's the energy source for gravity itself,is it just the magnetic pull of the earth's atmosphere ?

As well as all the faked footage, amusingly & well debunked here. I still find the Van Allen radiation belt the most undebunkable aspect of the whole depressing moon hoax.
This could well be some form of limited hang out set up by the hoaxers.

I've always wondered why so many astronots were used for the 7 moon trips, that's 18 more people who could become potential whistle blowers, not to mention the invaluable experience of those who had allegedly made the trip. It wouldn't surprise me if they were all just a close nit bunch of freemasons.

But what if the Van Allen belt itself could be used to debunk the debunkers.
NASA saying, we decided to use different astronots for each trip because of the dangers of over exposure to the radiation of the Van Allen belts.
We could not let onto the astronots about any of the dangers travelling through the VA belts' high radiation, because none of them would have then been prepared to go to the moon.

I think this is still one of the best moon hoax sites, what I wouldn't give to get hold of that footage.
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
In western Australia during the live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moon landing, several people saw a very unusual occurrence. One viewer, Una Ronald watched the telecast and was astonished with what she saw.
The residents of Honeysuckle Creek, Australia, actually saw a different broadcast to the rest of the World. Just shortly before Armstrong stepped onto the Moons surface, a change could be seen where the picture goes from a stark black to a brighter picture. Honeysuckle Creek stayed with the picture and although the voice transmissions were broadcast from Goldstone, the actual film footage was broadcast from Australia. As Una watched Armstrong walking on the surface of the Moon she spotted a Coke bottle that was kicked in the right hand side of the picture. This was in the early hours of the morning and she phoned her friends to see if they had seen the same thing, unfortunately they had missed it but were going to watch the rebroadcast the next day. Needless to say, the footage had been edited and the offending Coke bottle had been cut out of the film. But several other viewers had seen the bottle and many articles appeared in The West Australian newspaper
Edit, just revisited that site for the first time in a couple of years, I'd forgotten about the bullshit UFO inference at the beginning.
Also the bit about Honeysuckle creek is a bit odd because it's near Canberra, thousands of miles and a 3 hour time zone from Western Australia. Maybe it's a hoax hoax disinformation site.

Edit : just found this
Some viewers claim they had seen the Coke bottle, and several articles about this appeared in the newspaper West Australian. Western Australia received their coverage in a different way than the rest of the World, and this was the only area where there was not a delay in the so-called live transmission
http://flash1.gravlab.com/biblefirst/fa ... anding.htm
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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Antipodean, have you come across David Percy's "What Happened On The Moon"? The lady herself, Una Ronald, is interviewed about the Coke bottle incident. This doco seems to be a fairly sane rebuttal of the Apollo argument. They cover it from many angles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiR6-NJN06c

Sorry, this link is only a brief excerpt....the whole thing is two hours plus. I'll try to find a complete link.

In the meantime, I am abso-fuckin'-lutely-loving reel.deal's link! Thanks, RD!
(http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... n#p2364613)


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW6DuPQzyBU
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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Hi Burningame, I'm still laughing as I try and type this post.
It would be great if you could find any interview with Una Ronald, just to be able to pick it apart I'm starting to smell disinfo here.
How could Western Australian get live Appollo 11 footage before the rest of the world, it infers that it has something to do with the satellite facility at Carnarvon, meaning it would be the result of picking up the footage from space.

Just come across this on youtube, somebody claiming to analyse the footage with the coke bottle, plus an army issue drinking flask littering the set.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4U1kJzzklo
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Re: The Moon Hoax

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Dear (fellow) Antipodean,

I am presently downloading it (via torrent) as we speak (for the second time - the hard drive I realised I had it on is literally history), here:

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/350024 ... n_the_Moon

I can't find it on rapidshare, or anywhere else. Time to grab it!

Regarding Una Ronald: yeah, that could be an example of an early crack in the NASA armour, i.e. a SNAFU that of course has been covered up, engulfed by all the propaganda and is thus hard to find. Or is it, as the film's proponents advance, that it's a deliberate tip-off to anyone with half a brain? They assert that deliberate clues have been left for someone to discover, whistle-blower style.

Sometimes I think of the scenario of running all this shit by my father (since deceased, April 2001, lucky devil), or my grandparents, people from a bygone era. Which is only about 50 years, not 500.

Sigh. The older I get, the idea of living on the top of a hill away from everyone else and all this crap, seems eminently suitable.

Cheers,

B. [PM me for any torrenting queries]
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