If NASA faked the moon landings, does the agency have any credibility at all? Was the Space Shuttle program also a hoax? Is the International Space Station another one? Do not dismiss these hypotheses offhand. Check out our wider NASA research and make up your own mind about it all.
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Unread post by fubarfuthark » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:09 am

An alternative?

The poster from Sweden is certainly onto something about Scandinavian countries being managed societies. The last time I was in Sweden I found the place utterly mental, people trussed up in impossible to get tenancies in outlying Stockholm, watching TV with their 'sambo' who they can barely tolerate but put up with due to the gimp-mask rental contract.

Swedish government has certainly produced some grade A bastards, like Carl Bildt. Everything since Olof Palme seems off key to me.

With regards the flat earth...I really dont know. I just...simply dont know. It seems to me as if the NASA fake earth pictures and fake relativity science is being intentionally exposed by a combination of well-funded stooge alternative media and the obviously intentional ham-fisted fakery and bullshit of the space agencies in order to, do what exactly? Steer the ship of fools away from the Star-Trek Scylla directly into its dialectical opposite, the Charybdis of superstition, ancient myths and old gods, but this time buttressed with high technology, and unable to steer a golden middle ground of applied reason and thinking for oneself, always pulled to one extreme or the other. Never reaching a hand to grope in the darkness of the cave, instead always eager to hear a new tale told by the captor.

What about cosmos/earth as projection of sense-limited individual consciousness, but mediated by a kind of collective experience? If we can imagine ourselves never having seen these earth pictures or heard about a flat static earth, what would we conjure up?

Yggdrasill? ... _table.jpg

The Sufi Ruhaniyat?

Shinto cosmology?

"The kami of Heaven and Earth must not lack a worshipper; the universe (uchū) must have a lord." ... tryID=1319

I really dont know. I am reminded of the opening paragraph of the world as will and representation by Schopenhauer:

The world is my idea:

this is a truth which holds good
for everything that lives and knows, though man alone can bring
it into reflective and abstract consciousness. If he really does
this, he has attained to philosophical wisdom. It then becomes
clear and certain to him that what he knows is not a sun and an
earth, but only an eye that sees a sun, a hand that feels an earth;
that the world which surrounds him is there only as idea,
i.e. only in relation to something else, the consciousness, which is
himself. If any truth can be asserted a priori it is this: for it is the
expression of the most general form of all possible and thinkable
experience: a form which is more general than time, or space, or
causality, for they all presuppose it; and each of these, which we
have seen to be just so many modes of the principle of sufficient
reason, is valid only for a particular class of ideas; whereas the
antithesis of object and subject is the common form of all these
classes, is that form under which alone any idea of whatever kind
it may be, abstract or intuitive, pure or empirical, is possible and
thinkable. No truth therefore is more certain, more independent
of all others, and less in need of proof than this, that all that exists
for knowledge, and therefore this whole world, is only object in
relation to subject, perception of a perceiver, in a word, idea.
This is obviously true of the past and the future, as well as of the
present, of what is farthest off, as of what is near; for it is true
of time and space themselves, in which alone these distinctions
arise. All that in any way belongs or can belong to the world is
inevitably thus conditioned through the subject, and exists only
for the subject. The world is idea.

The question we have to ask, are the ideas our own? Are they good ones? :unsure:

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Unread post by Painterman » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:27 am

Teth_Elite wrote:This is a story in one of the largest Swedish newspapers. It's surprising because there has (to my knowledge) been no discussion about this issue in Sweden. No scientific review or opinion whatsoever.
Most interesting, Teth_Elite, since it fits a pattern. Flatology burst on the internet scene about a year ago. All of a sudden, scores of "sleeper" agents / infiltrators / general swine in the fake-alternative media "woke up" and became inexplicably committed "ball earth skeptics". Strangely, all these months later, most of them are still "looking into it", despite the ludicrous bunk it so conspicuously is.

Turns out the current DBA is following a shopworn playbook. From the cited Wikipedia article, regarding the Flat Earth Society of decades ago:
The society also claimed that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax staged by Hollywood (a position also held outside the Flat Earth Society).
Lately, of course, this DBA strategy has been specifically targeted at Cluesforum - through, among other means, infringement of the distinctive "Clues" brand associated with this website - due to the exemplary NASA-busting done here.

Funnily enough, the following headlines have a familiar ring to them, making the current DBA seem rather a retread. (The word "tabloid" is especially apt, since today's flatology psyop shows conspicuous tabloidism in its emphasis on junk science, personal attacks / interpersonal drama, a pitchman's gish-gallop style of presentation, and a pervasive lurid vulgarity.)
Flat Earth News, was a quarterly, four-page tabloid.

Some headlines from Flat Earth News during the 1970s and early 1980s:

"Whole World Deceived... Except the Very Elect" (Dec. 1977)
"Australia Not Down Under" (May 1978)
"Sun Is a Light 32 Miles Across" (Dec. 1978)
"The Earth Has No Motion" (Jun. 1979)
"Nikita Krushchev Father of NASA" (Mar. 1980)
"Galileo Was a Liar" (Dec. 1980)
"Science Insults Your Intelligence" (Sep. 1980)
"World IS Flat, and That's That" (Sep. 1980)
"The Earth Is Not a Ball; Gravity Does Not Exist" (Mar. 1981) ... _societies

A rhetorical technique in which a dishonest speaker lists a string of falsehoods or misleading items so that their opponent will be unable to counter each one and still be able to make their own counterpoints
An example of gish-gallop is given here:

And just because YOU don't know how the cheese is created on the moon, doesn't mean that there isn't a cheese creating mechanism at the core of the moon. Run by secret moon wizards. And there are moon cows, that only live on the far side of the moon, eating moon grass that grows during the 14.25 days of the month where it's illuminated – presumably spending the remaining 14.25 days in hibernation or possibly storing metabolite like cacti.

Naturally, since the crust is mostly rock, then the grass would be mostly rock too, leading to heavier milk and cheese. There's your Occam’s Razor! All you need to do is assume the existence of a completely novel form of biological life and the explanation becomes simple!

Even more so when this neatly explains the motivation for Big Milk – moon cheese is much more valuable than "earther cheese" and only the superwealthy can afford the biological processing necessary to make it edible instead of poisonous which is why only the super-rich members of the Illuminati and Freemasons know about it. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!!!!! ... -fallacies

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Unread post by fubarfuthark » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:12 pm

There IS another possibility that has not yet been raised

de Selby argued that though we believe we can travel spatially in four directions, in fact north and south, and east and west are equivalent if we truly are on a sphere. de Selby argues that, given whatever direction we choose to travel in we eventually arrive at the point we started from, we cannot therefore be certain we are on a sphere. He postulates that human beings are constrained to travel in a single direction around a sausage shaped Earth, while believing themselves free to travel in any direction. If humans could, somehow, travel along the ‘barrel’ of the sausage, “[n]ew and unimaginable dimensions will supersede the present order and the manifold ‘unnecessaries’ of ‘onedimensional’ existence will disappear” ... y-ireland/

Actually in the world in which we live, Flann O'Brien's two books 'At Swim Two Birds' and 'The Third Policeman' are rapidly starting to seem like fantasy and more like a humourous description of the actual state of affairs. For those who have read it, consider the scene with boxes inside boxes in the third policeman. Or the fact that 'At Swim Two Birds' said everything that was later said in the entire field of 20th century literary theory and, was at least, funny.

Somehow it seems fitting, that one of the few novelists who said anything meaningful about human experience in the twentieth century was an Irish piss-artist and windup merchant who drank himself to death. Think, by comparison, of the kind of crap put out by David Foster Wallace or Thomas Pynchon or, god forbid, Dave Eggers, Rick Moody, Don DeLillo or Jonathan Franzen :puke:

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Unread post by simonshack » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:23 pm

fubarfuthark wrote: Think, by comparison, of the kind of crap put out by David Foster Wallace or Thomas Pynchon or, god forbid, Dave Eggers, Rick Moody, Don DeLillo or Jonathan Franzen :puke:
Oh gosh - you mentioned the Don De Lillo clown...

Brings back memories (a post written over half-a-decade ago...) : ... 3#p2348883

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Unread post by fubarfuthark » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:44 pm

simonshack wrote:
fubarfuthark wrote: Think, by comparison, of the kind of crap put out by David Foster Wallace or Thomas Pynchon or, god forbid, Dave Eggers, Rick Moody, Don DeLillo or Jonathan Franzen :puke:
Oh gosh - you mentioned the Don De Lillo clown...

Brings back memories (a post written over half-a-decade ago...) : ... 3#p2348883
Some pretty interesting observations there. But it raises a peculiar question: to what extent does the use of propaganda material from the news turn a work of fiction itself into propaganda. For example, Jonathan Safran Froer's book 'extremely loud and incredibly close' is clearly propaganda. The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath's taking place against the backdrop of the 'execution' of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg is different, because that is not directly the point of the book.

Considering that the news itself is, broadly-speaking, either fiction or a dramatic script, if a piece of fiction uses news events as a backdrop to the events of its plot, the result is a form of 'metafiction' in which it is not clear where the fiction of the story stops and the truth of real life begins (I am actually preparing a thread on this subject and subjects related to it, the aesthetic procedures and philosophical brainwashing that turned our world into a kind of objet d'art, a text to be criticised and alluded to, a play script and a virtual reality.) With a fake media awareness, certain critical theory ideas take on strange twisted new meanings, even starting to make a backwards sort of sense. For example I was reading a book about postcolonial theory recently (provincialising europe by dipesh chakrabarty) and found i agreed with a lot of it, even though thought like this is often instrumentalised into something quite different. Similarly, Naoki Sakai's book is also interesting.

A curious thing is when a book itself enters into, and becomes part of a wider media hoax, I am thinking here specifically of the Satanic Verses and the general Salman Rushdie psyop (and by god, if you know a little about Indian history, the man is an utter creep. In terms of dodgy, self-regarding subcontinental shills who lived like kings on the back of playing the role of bad-faith-tea-wallah-moral-conscience to post-imperial Britain, only Tariq Ali runs him a close second. I have heard it rumoured that both of these men maintain a substantial retinue of servants. Rabindranath Tagore does not count for reasons that are too arcane and scurillous, even for this forum.) and thus sort of dissolves itself into a wider sort of text, with the prime signifier text in the matter being the holy koran. The staged protests and fake photos surrounding all these Mohammad (pbuh) blasphemies play a very interesting role here. Because the koran is sacrosanct and the prophet's revelation is complete, the koran is somehow different and the defence of the prophet and the text seems to be important, therefore it would seem almost reasonable to resort to violence to defend them. And yet, the evidence that this has actually spontaneously happened is fairly thin. Is perhaps the Koran the only text that cannot be absorbed by postmodernism and the postmodern intertextual hyperlinked world?

A couple of ideas from Wikipedia (the non plus ultra of this problem) ... a_traveler ... ucturalism (interesting example here) ... derly_text

This is not really on the subject of the Flat Earth craze, unless you think koranic/biblical hermeneuticism has some part to play in determining the shape of the earth...

that, perhaps the shaping of our perceptive capacities by language, the ability only to grasp the world through linguistic concepts means we are forever at odds with anything called objective reality, that reality is ONLY a socially-constructed set of power relations and an agreed upon set of terminology and rules of trying to engage with whatever state of affairs these power relations bring about. I was thinking about the ideas set forth in Kant's critique of pure reason in relation to the flat/round dialectic, the world being the ultimate 'Ding an sich', essentially unknowable, a reasoning person obliged to approach it gradually by examining a priori knowledge categories (extensibility, causation, relation, the relationship between cause and effect) and seeing in what way they can be made to slowly apply to the available evidence. Kant is the perfect panacea for anybody caught in the dialectic between fake NASA earth photos and silly flat earth videos. Much better the Königsberg genius than stupid scary music. ... _judgments

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Unread post by Painterman » Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:40 am

Here quoted is an article that describes methods which also were used by the Flat Earth psyop to infiltrate and hijack the independent research movement. While similar points have already been made in a piecemeal fashion, the article gives a useful summary.

To start with, the reader is reminded of a commonplace definition:
Trolling is generally seen as a behavior or an act of intentionally starting arguments meant to upset, defame, disrupt, or provoke.
The article then expands the concept by way of a typology of trolls which includes the sort observed in the Flat Earth psyop. Where the following uses the example of mailing lists, also include websites and forums.
Playtime Trolls: an individual plays a simple, short game. Such trolls are relatively easy to spot because their attack or provocation is fairly blatant, and the persona is fairly two-dimensional.

Tactical Trolls: This is where the troller takes the game more seriously, creates a credible persona to gain confidence of others, and provokes strife in a subtle and invidious way.

Strategic Trolls: A very serious form of game, involving the production of an overall strategy that can take months or years to develop. It can also involve a number of people acting together in order to invade a list.

Domination Trolls: This is where the trollers' strategy extends to the creation and running of apparently bona-fide mailing lists.
Consider the Flat Earth psyop - and even certain mainstream media pysops like fake terror (which is essentially trolling committed on society at large in aid of a "strategy of tension") - when reading these concluding excerpts from the article:
In recent years, we've seen trolls emerge from causing mischief to fulfilling a collective cause, under orders with a generous monetary compensation tied to it.

Astroturfing, the deceptive tactic wherein an individual or a group would express support for a product, idea, or cause mainly for the purpose of reshaping public opinion, is currently practiced by some organizations in order to make people believe what they want them to believe.

One example is what we now know as the Discredit Bureau, which one Monsanto lead revealed they employ in order to discredit scientific findings that are in disagreement with the company's.

"Don't Feed the Trolls"

Falling for and (worse) propagating ideas spun by paid trolls can be seen as feeding or siding with them. More often than not, such thought-out and highly organized campaigns are not known until it's too late. One way to avoid such pitfalls is to fact check what is being said. It's easy for trolls to take advantage of people who usually believe what they see and what is said on the Internet. More often than not, people take these at face value and share it with others.

The study of trolls and trolling behavior is, as of the moment, a premature science. We may not know a lot about it, but we know that they can fall under the category of social engineering.

Avoiding trolls is human, but not letting them into your head is divine.

Be divine, blog reader.

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Unread post by ICfreely » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:48 pm

The Flat Earth Society’s Papa Legba doesn’t seem to be too fond of yours truly to say the least!

Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2016, 08:16:48 PM

Papa Legba:


This boiler-room plays both sides off against each other in order to Control The Opposition.

This boiler-room is responsible for the work of Jon Le Bon, Nesta Lediam, Psyopticon, Evil Edna, ICFreely & a vast number of other water-muddying disinfo-swill.

They completely run the 'Fakeologist' fake 'truther' site.

If you want to know how such moral degenerates are recruited, google 'Operation Ore'.

It is a well-known fact that many of the people caught in Operation Ore & its counterparts in other countries were not prosecuted, but were instead blackmailed into doing Government dirty business.

The use of honey-traps & blackmail by intelligence agencies is as old as mankind.

So, next time you are arguing with a paid shill online bear this in mind.

Now; carry on with the psychological pressure tactics you decided to employ against me back in late December when you realised you could not refute me with science or logic and I wasn't going away...

Taking my own words & phrases & 'mirroring' them is one of your main weapons in this.

Hence the words 'poor little', 'meltdown', etc in Homie Rayzor's sociopathic disinfo-post.

Like I said though; I know what you are, Homie Rayzor...

Now everyone else does too.

Toodle-pip, Rolf Harris! ... c=65626.90

Good Lord Almighty! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess you can't please all of the 'gods' all of the time. :)

African Mythology – The Gods and Spirits of Africa


African Trickster God

Trickster God of Language and Destiny

He appears as a shabby old man, but in fact he’s extremely clever and cunning. He knows all the languages of the world and is also fluent in the Cosmic Tongue (does that mean Esperanto?).

If you need to get a message to the Gods, LEGBA is the one to go for. But he’s not very reliable — he likes nothing better than to confuse. Not only that, but as he gets older, garbled messages and confusion have a tendency to creep in.

LEGBA is known as ESHU among the Yoruba, where he does much the same thing but with more up-to-date technology. He also makes a guest appearance in certain Voodou circles — see LEGBA(2) ... eity=LEGBA

How do you do the V :wacko: :wacko: D :wacko: :wacko: that only you do so well?

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Unread post by test2nonhocapito » Mon May 23, 2016 11:03 am

Hello, this is nonhocapito, for some reason I cannot login to this forum anymore, but apparently I can still use this old test account I had from the time I was testing stuff on this forum. (well, maybe someone should make sure I cannot use this password too.)

I'm pretty cut off from everything so what I am about to say now is probably going to sound pretty obvious, but I just wanted to share an observation regarding the Flat Earth strategy.

It really seems that flat earth has become the official strategy against anything related to fakery.

For instance I browsed today the youtube channel of The Faking Hoaxer and skipped through this video: "A dude discovers The Faking Hoaxer"
It's not the video that is very important (although The Faking Hoaxer is always worth a mention since he has done a decent job showing how easy it is to produce fake videos which are 100% believable) but the comments and the video suggestions. Please note I am browsing this from a clean browser, without cookies and not logged in, maybe you can test this yourself and see if you get different results.




As you see most if not all the video suggestions are related to Flat earth... And the comments are populated by flat earth shills and pretend rationalists who lump it together with fakery. This seem to stem from the fact that TFH's video reproduces another video, by a flatearther who initially takes TFH's stuff as real and then realizes it is all fake and finds this supportive to his flat earth point of view.
This is, ok, pretty hilarious, but also a twisted form of propaganda, suggesting that TFH's videos are to support the flat earth idea and that a certain obsession with fakery goes together with the flat earth idea. Unless this "dude" is also a faked creation of TFH. But even so my point stands that the presence of a "flat earth" debate is clearly inflated artificially.

This is to me a clear confirmation that there is absolutely nothing spontaneous about this utter bullshit of a flat earth, and also that this horrid propaganda creation is just not going to go away, since it is visibly being supported by google and co.

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Unread post by simonshack » Wed May 25, 2016 8:39 pm


Absolutely, dear Nonho...

the FE op has (not unexpectedly I must say) ballooned beyond proportion - in such a ridiculously 'viral' way that goes to prove beyond doubt that it is, in fact, a major "counter-intelligence operation" designed to equate (in the eyes of the general public) "conspiracy theorists" with "flat earthers". Or perhaps more specifically, it is meant for people to equate space industry skeptics with "flat earthers" - and thus give another 'lease of life' to the massive NASA-led Grand Space Hoax - in the hope of delaying its inevitable future implosion. Of course, the stakes are - pardon the pun - of 'galactic' proportions, since the entire fraudulent space industry relies on the general public's continued credulity in manned / unmanned rocketry, satellites, the I$$ and the various 'interstellar space probes'.

It's good to see you contribute from time to time to the forum, Nonho - and can only hope you'll keep doing so whenever you feel like it. As I wrote you via e-mail, I really don't know why you can't log in through your original 'nonhocapito' account and if the problem isn't solved now (after resetting your password), please feel free to use your 'test2nonhocapito' account in the future.

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Sun May 29, 2016 7:43 pm

In the interest of clarifying for the public what Obama really meant by reading that teleprompter kinda speech, I've sent a message to the White House today, which reads:
To whom it concerns in the Executive Branch,

It was recently stated via a Presidential speech that you all ["We" i.e.; the government and by implication the governed] do not have time to meet with the Flat Earth Society.

Even though I do not subscribe to the "Flat Earth" position, I do subscribe to positions that fall behind support by 50% of the public. Surely, the Executive Branch is sending a very cynical image to the government's owners (i.e.; the people) if it were characterizing any minority positions that have nothing to do with "Flat Earth" beliefs as something that a majority doesn't have patience with.

As someone who believes that the language of Civil Rights legislation does not grant humans their innate humanity and right to be heard by their government, but only legally acknowledges that which is already granted by nature herself, the assigned task of the President to listen, to create diplomacy, and to make peace between the most extremely diverse groups should be a key component of leading the people of the United States.

Two questions arise from the Presidential statement:

1. Seeing as how the Flat Earth Society is a kind of religious group, even if incredibly minor, are we to presume that minority denominations have no importance — that America stands by the principle "Winner takes all", with no room for even discussions with peaceful minority groups? Are we to presume that minorities of all kinds are no longer protected, or will it just be minority world views that are now deemed unimportant to the American government?


2. The executive branch is no doubt aware of all employees of the Federal government (such as members of intelligence groups within any United States bureaus, agencies or departments) spying on, participating in and meeting with small discussion groups and forums of all kinds in order to monitor them. This would rather alter the meaning of the phrase "We don't have time to meet with [group]" into something like, "We must control [group] without their knowledge, while pretending to ignore them". In the interest of creating the more transparent government that Obama calls for, can we soon expect either a formal disclosure of the full list of groups the government doesn't have time to meet with, or perhaps an announcement of secret service withdrawal from public forums, now that minority opinions no longer matter?

Please comment on these issues.

Thank you,
When I sent the message, I was brought to the following page:
Thank you for contacting the White House!

President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible Administration in history. That begins with taking comments and questions from you, the American people, through our website.

Our office receives thousands of messages from Americans each day. We do our best to reply to as many as we can, but please be aware that you may find more information and answers to your questions online.

We encourage you to visit regularly to follow news and updates, and to learn more about President Obama's commitment to moving our Nation forward.

For an easy-to-navigate source of information on Federal government services, please visit:

Thank you again for your message,

The Office of Presidential Correspondence
I am fairly confident that my distinct sense is accurate: I will not find more information and answers to these questions online. I will absolutely require a new response from the Office, especially to the last question.

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Unread post by simonshack » Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:36 pm


HILARIOUS ASS-LICKING - by the Flat Earth DBA crew

If you still think that the Flat Earth DBA operation is just a 'figment of my paranoid mind'... get this :

I had a big, hearty laugh today as I bumped - by pure chance - into the below-linked comment section at the "Hoaxbusters" site (run by the good Chris Kendall). Of course, Chris Kendall has always been a firm supporter of our forum's 9/11 work - especially of our VicSim research - so it makes perfect sense that his website and readership would be a choice target of the most insidious trolls- such as those recruited by the FE DBA operation.

Please read the three posts submitted there by the entity named "Flat Earth Revolution" :rolleyes: - and you'll see what I mean... ... tiles.html

I trust that the alert reader will see what sort of (crude & cheap) efforts are being deployed to associate Cluesforum with the "FE crowd" - not least their lame ass-licking attempts to 'hug up' with yours truly and my music making... As for the obvious (and utterly silly) 'hints' at Cluesforum's supposed white-washing / denial of any jewish involvement in the psyops of our times, well, it doesn't get sillier than that. :puke:

But hey, don't let this keep you from purchasing my music - I really DO need everyone's support these days ! :)

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:53 am

Flat Earth Revolution Dan • 4 months ago

Have you learned about media fakery? Ab Irato of the great explores the topic of media fakery on 9/11. However he rejects Jews did 9/11 simply because Jews are a very very very very victimized group according to Ab. So that makes sense to me. Ab has rejected Larry Silverstein being a Jew having anything to do with 9/11. He was just a guy named Silverstein who happened to own some 9/11 buildings ready for CDI to demo them on 9/11. I agree that Silverstein being Jewish is suspicious but Ab has a point about Jews being the most victimized group on the planet.

Ab doesn't think Jews did 9/11 and because of this I happen to agree how in the hell could the Jews do 9/11 given the media is Jew run but the media played a big part too. Watch September Clues as Ab Irato says and as I have done, you will discover that September Clues shows you how 9/11 was staged and the Jews had nothing to do with 9/11.

Simon Shack lays out the deception of 9/11. Also Simon and his band the Social Service has a new album out if you want to buy it:

Simon is one of the most original researchers of 9/11 and a good musician. If Ab didn't create and show me September Clues, I would still think Judy Wood's directed energy weapon theory was correct. I highly recommend for those wanting to find out how 9/11 was really done.


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Joseph Sevenstein Flat Earth Revolution • 4 months ago

You have a great point here about Ab Irato and Simon Shack. I just wanted to inform everyone I just purchased Simon Shack's Social Service's new Album Songs in a Vacuum. It was well worth the money and now I can listen to Simon Shack and read him at the same time on Clues Forum. I am actually glad Hoi Polloi contributed to the album. Hoi could be a singer one day.

I agree with everything Ab Irato and Simon have laid out. Their research into 9/11 got me to wake up family and it worked. Now I play the new Social Service album all the time since I Purchased it. Thanks Simon for making good music and for allowing Ab Irato to share your work on his site .

I will now look forward to future Clues analysis on Psyops. That is why I go to Clues Forum. I need Clues to show me the way through these Psyops because I can't. Though I don't agree with Ab on Flat Earth, his site is usually 100% truth and so is September Clues.


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Flat Earth Revolution Joseph Sevenstein • 4 months ago

Thank you for your kind words. You really must understand how us minority researchers such as Clues and Fakeologist must deal with the persecution we face from others who can't accept fakery. I have a Dad who does accept fakery and a mom who doesn't. They are always fighting about whether media fakery actually exists. Well I'll let them do that while I'm really more into furthering my journey on media fakery and exposing the clowns that did this to us. Simon Shack's new album is song for song the best I've heard in a long time and I'm sure others will agree. By buying the album you will be supporting Simon Shack's research and September Clues. I know media fakery believers are hated by the Alex Jonesers and david ickes, but I refuse to back down. I love what Simon and AB and Chris Kendell have done for me. So thank you all.


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Marketta Allington Joseph Sevenstein • 4 months ago

You're wrong and you don't even know it. What is wrong with you. Get it together. I know the Jews did 9/11 and I can prove it. Larry Silverstein is a clue as to the Jews who are connected to 9/11. Do you understand? If you don't why don't you take your Ab and Simon and go and play in the park. Here at Hoax Busters we cut through the bull. You know the Jews did 9/11 and so does Dan. Dan is willing to put his ass on the line and show he is about truth and not flat earth bull. You on the other hand care more about shitting the bed. Well let me tell you something you got it all wrong. The jews run the media and so they run masonry too. Also they are out of control.

Do you believe in miracles? I do and the miracle is for Flat Earth to disappear. So lets get back to real research that uncovers the Jews. I miss that guy who used to talk about the bad Jews and show Gifs, I forget his name. Anyways I'm getting more hints the Jews run Psyops too. I think I saw the six star of David in this video. Isn't Dallas known for stars? AKA Jew connection. Also Dallas cops have stars in their badges or Jew marks. Jews are known to frequent Dallas during the summers because Dallas has the biggest Jewish festival in the the United States.

A jew invented the sniper rifle. Hello connection to Jews. Jews are the ones that go invented camera phones to and what did we see in this psyop? You see Jews are the ones we need to make a big deal about. Hopefully you will see this and stop telling me about Flat Earth.


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Flat Earth Revolution Marketta Allington • 4 months ago

Hey if you want to talk crap about Flat Earth, then why don't you offer up your model of the earth. Also go buy the Social Service's new album which would show some respect to the great Simon Shack. You're just obsessed with Jews. Well I for one am not. I know the Jews are innocent like my go to source Ab Irato says. Stop picking on the Jews. They are great people. Go to and get educated about media fakery. Ab has tons of articles written that have been read by tens of thousands of readers. He is better than you think and knows his stuff. Just take back what you said. Also why not donate to Ab's site. He's a great researcher and always will be.

Also if you think the jews did 9/11 then you are wrong. The media did 9/11. You can't accept that so you resort to Jew hate. Instead accept the truth the media was in charge that day.

Check September Clues

then get back to me!!!
Marketta Allington, one of the sock puppet names of that entity having a long winded conversation with itself, one of which is named "Flat Earth Revolution" does remind me of the name "Markus Allen". Not sure if that's deliberate.

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Unread post by OpticalIllusion » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:19 pm

So I battle the FE cult via social media sometimes spending an hour a day it seems and throughout the battle their numbers continue to grow. Well I noticed this article come out that secures our beliefs that this is a DBA campaign to stop the mass awakening of the use of CGI.

‘The Earth is flat’: RT’s ‘Space 360’ leads to age old conspiracy accusations
Published time: 27 Nov, 2016 18:20

Such accusations were leveled after cosmonaut Andrey Borisenko said that the Earth was round during one the 360° video documentaries, which were recorded on the International Space Station (ISS), in collaboration with RT.

#Space360: RT reveals first-ever 4K panoramic view of Earth from aboard #ISS
— RT (@RT_com) November 21, 2016

“You can see from here that the Earth is round – no elephants or whales holding it up,” he said, commencing a tirade of accusations, including “BS! Why use a fisheye lens to show convince people that the earth is round.that camera is twisting and turning everything in front of it. I personally don't think that anyone believes this BS.”

Some viewers believed, however, that RT were trying to portray these shots as 100 percent real, commenting “I think the CGI at the beginning says it all really. An insult to humanity's intelligence.”

“LOL LOL!!!!! Poor CGI even 'Gravity' the Hollywood movie seemed more real! Pathetic, proving again and again the Fraudulent NAZA [sic] and the points made by the Flat Earth awakening movement that we are not in space!“ another commenter said.

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Unread post by OpticalIllusion » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:47 pm

Found this blog through fighting flat earthers on social media(Facebook). Only have scanned it but has some great information ill break down. ... s.html?m=1

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Unread post by kickstones » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:13 pm

simonshack » May 25th, 2016, 9:39 pm wrote:*

the FE op has (not unexpectedly I must say) ballooned beyond proportion - in such a ridiculously 'viral' way that goes to prove beyond doubt that it is, in fact, a major "counter-intelligence operation" designed to equate (in the eyes of the general public) "conspiracy theorists" with "flat earthers".
Simon, do we take it then that the more FE's push certain events / 'conspiracy theories' there is more likelihood the event / theory has validity?

Take Antarctica, it's been making the news recently with trips by John Kerry , Buzz Aldrin and Prince Harry to name a few.

The media state Kerry ....

"As the United States neared election day, Secretary of State John Kerry announced he would take a historic trip to the massive, frozen seventh continent: Antarctica. The goal was to see firsthand the place that perhaps more than any other has climate scientists worried about melting ice and rising sea levels." ... 32ef04e53e

We know GW a scam so why would this high ranking U.S. official visit Antarctica. ... -data.html

(That is if indeed he did actually visit the place and pictures are not photoshopped.)


Then we get.....

United States Astronaut Buzz Aldrin Tweeted an ominous message to the world using his official, verified Twitter Account, then strangely deleted the tweet later.


His words: "We are all in danger. It is evil itself." and showed a photograph of a pyramid located at the South Pole.

Mmmmm...Anything on YouTube that can enlighten us to these fears?

A search for Antartica on YouTube reveals this video amongs others...

febr. 28.
Real footage of Admiral Richard E Byrd's secret expediton shows some unique Impressions and hidden stuff in the middle of Antarctica

full link:

Along side this video are others related to Antarctica including...

Mysterious Antarctica → The World's Best Kept Secret?

Wikileaks Photos, John Kerry in Antarctica:

full link:

Then the following video by ...

Flat Earth Founder
Scientist Trip to Antarctica what they Discovered Will Shock You

full link:

You only have to look at this guys Youtube channel to see he is a serious Flat Earth proponent. ... ONavMZ0BXQ

Are the CIA / Nassa concerned, with the first video having over 500,000 views, there is validity in the claims made by these videos posted so they trying to keep a lid on it by associating it with FE's?

Or could it be by bringing Antarctica to our attention, through the likes of Kerry, Aldrin and FE's, they are merely trying to distract?

At present, until I have researched the subject more, I'm keeping an open mind on Antarctica, but by what Simon has pointed out in relation to FE's and CIA 'Black Ops' coupled with MSM attention, it has kinda piqued an interest in the subject matter of Antarctica that was not previously there, if that makes sense.

Mods, If this post bears no relation to the subject matter at hand then please feel free to remove.

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