Rick:
Are we this alone???
Simon:
It is up to each one of us, as single individuals, to choose how to use our neurons to interpret our surroundings.
FBenario:
Even if a single person is the only person on the planet who knows a 'truth' of some sort, his being alone with that knowledge does NOT make it any the less true.
Thanks for your counselling on this point Simon and FBenario but I'm afraid the comments miss the basic idea-- that being the disaster we face as a civilization if we're the few who recognize and call out the hoax and... of horror. Sheer, screamless, utter horror.
Apparently the mind control of NASA and/or the willingness/blackmail effect has captured the beliefs/complicity of otherwise intelligent and power people-- not just people we think of as tv-dupes. Military organizations, scientists, corporations and highly trained people of all kinds, governments worldwide and even skeptic organizations believe NASA landed a craft on Mars. This is not a matter of being an individual or not worrying about being social or being stalwart about truth in the face of adversity of being one of the few against the many. It's a matter of the survival of the civilization we're in since a lie on this scale can't possibly lead to funding the projects we actually do need to survive as a species.
Further, this is not a matter of sociability vs. loneliness but rather a matter of blood curdling horror-- screamless horror in the face of an obvious hoax that powerful, wealthy and otherwise intelligent people everyone are either knowingly or unknowingly attempting to perpetrate on an unbelievably massive scale, in excruciatingly fine detail and with unrelenting insistence. A financial con job or minor bubble-boy hoax is one thing, but the vast scale of this Mars landing hoax infiltrates every university and college, every government on earth, every organization of any type, as well as interpersonal relations at the neighbourhood bar, the local church, the political process and more. The grip this hoax has on everyone is, itself, like science fiction from the 1950's. The mind control goes further than I ever thought possible. This is Edgar Allen Poe material. I enjoyed "The Blob" horror movie as a kid--- this is real life horror... "The Curiosity turns minds into blobs". The Curiosity Hoax has done the opposite of evoking curiosity, ironically-- it has negated it.
And I sense, as the days go on and the hoax continues, my own power of penetration of this hoax weakening. Like everyone, I have a real daily life to conduct and so, like others, I'll eventually let it go and give up talking about it while the Associated Press updates the "narrative" and NASA funds more fake data.
We all live in a fishbowl of fakery and no matter which way we bolt, turn, dart and swim, we're stuck in our mind-control fishbowl-- unable to scream, unable to prove the hoax, unable to say anything without being considered, ourselves, to be the oddballs. This is not a concern with lonliness-- it's a realization that evokes sheer and utter horror of living in a world of zombies.
Am I understood on this? If I allow myself to be lighthearted about it or dismissive and accepting, I have a sense of losing a part of my sharpened awareness on this matter, as well as the other hoaxes Simon has so definitively rounded up on this clues forum... which leads to a sinking with others into zombie-hood. My basic regard for civilization and the regard for higher truth tells me that this hoax simply cannot be allowed... that there must be a way to startle people out of the zombie state... that, say, the Catholic Pope could be persuaded to come with a statement that pronounces this a hoax and that Catholics ought not believe it... that the hoax is the work of the Satanic order of Illuminists... something major should be done to counter this control of man's mind.
This is much more than simply being alone, as I suggested. Being relatively alone in this group on this issue implies we're surrounded by a world gone mad... a world of animal sub-humans who have lost their minds!
Simon:
Yes, Dcopymope...this is certainly a disturbing development - in need of some sort of preemptive/ derisive 'strike'.
The pre-emptive strike that Dcopy and Simon discuss above, to counter the next two year campaign NASA has planned, could begin with this forum obviously. This is why, earlier in this thread, I was arguing with Heiwa about why we need to make the case on NASA's and the mainstream press's own terms, starting with the numbers 13,000 mph and 7 minutes of terror. I thought an x-box video game using the Curiosity's parameters would prove to millions of video game kids that this mission was impossible then I found out they MADE the game already... and it's been demonstrated-- and it works out the landing is shown to be possible with the videogame controller! So it's been programmed wrong!
Earlier Simon said there won't be any one universal proof of a hoax and I disagreed saying that that's precisely what we need here... a universal proof. I argued earlier that we need to pick our audience-- the college/university math and science educated students and graduates... that a certain level of college level math is certainly required... a certain level of "numeracy" is required.
I like videos and I think they can be convincing but a simple brief website with diagrams and a written argument would be best... one that could be emailed to many news organizations without their having to work too hard. It would have to be hard hitting and to the point and would have to "go viral".
I'm convinced, this morning, that my original thought regarding the absolute speed that NASA starts with-- 13,000 mph stated in mph as the press stated it-- aimed at an educated American audience-- would demonstrate that regardless of the angle of entry to a planets atmosphere at that speed, there is no possible way to stop in 7 minutes without exploding into a million pieces. Those are the numbers they gave us-- and the proof of a hoax should quote those numbers and prove impossibility. The number 13,000 is so large that most people zone out at its mere mention because there is no ANALOG for it in daily life so the work would involve helping people understand that speed better... and get a grip on what it means physically and in the context of 78 mile height and 7 minute "deceleration". Noori's guest Hoagland said it best when he said it's "LIKE" stopping a car going 60 mph in a fraction of a second. Hoagland should have recognized that that's called a car crash. The analogous situation exists with the Curiosity.
The argument would involve what NASA could have done to make the story more believable-- which is that they would have fired retrorockets several days or weeks before landing to make the atmosphere entry speed more consistent with reality in gross figures. Either that, or the Mars Curiosity could have gone into orbit around Mars at 13,000 mph and then, over a period of days, converted that orbital velocity to heat of re-entry near the 78 mile high atmospheric edge of space, slowing over, say 40 hours (not 7 minutes)... to something where vertical descent becomes greater than horizontal motion.
It is said that meteors entering earth's atmosphere can be travelling as high as "30 miles per second" which works out to "100,000 miles per hour". Wikipedia makes reference to a spacecraft entering earth's atmosphere at 7.8 km/s which is 17,000 mph. The entire history of spacecraft re-entering Earth's atmosphere starts with figures like that and involve re-entries in minutes from that speed... which implies as I've written it here, that the entire history of orbital mechanics is WRONG!!--
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