9/11 and SEPTEMBER CLUES

Unread post by **wraith36** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:23 pm

Can i just say that when i first left school i went into welding.

The guy i worked with was time served,meaning he had worked on oil rigs apart from the other high skilled welding jobs he had done over the years.
And we made some heavy duty frames from I beam or H beam as americans like to call it.

He told me that if a weld was done properly that weld would never fail no matter what, unless you sat there with bottle cutting gear to free them again.

Only poor welding and fractures lines from that poor welding over time could make this weld weak and useless.

So im guessing the people who welded the trade centres were of equal welding skill and there job depended on that skill.
So the welds wouldn't fail,plus with the rivets would make this an even less likely to come apart or be broken apart.

Shame i fell out with my supervisor or i would still be welding and skilled with it.
I feel i needed to say something about that even if its been covered before.

And still watching September clues for walls pulling in which i don't see.

Unread post by **Heiwa** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:46 pm

wraith36 @ Jan 3 2010, 08:23 PM wrote: Can i just say that when i first left school i went into welding.

The guy i worked with was time serverd,meaning he had worked on oil rigs apart from the other high skilled welding jobs he had done over the years.
And we made some heavy duty frames from I beam or H beam as americans like to call it.

He told me that if a weld was done properly that weld would never fail no matter what, unless you sat there with bottle cutting gear to free them again.

Only poor welding and fractures lines from that poor welding over time could make this weld weak and useless.

So im guessing the people who welded the trade centres were of equal welding skill and there job depended on that skill.
So the welds wouldnt fail,plus with the rivets would make this an even less likely to come apart or be broken apart.

Shame i fell out with my superviser or i would still be welding and skilled with it.
I feal i needed to say something about that even if its been coverd before.

And still watching september clues for walls pulling in which i dont see.

Don't worry. Of course most subelements of WTC 1+2 like perimeter wall columns panels, core columns/beams of all kind and floor panels were welded together in special workshops on ground, but then all the various subparts were just brought to Manhattan and lifted up and were bolted together. No need to have welders + equipment messing around up top. Just people screwing/bolting the elements together sufficed. So WTC 1+2 were very big assemblies of parts like a Meccano. Very strong! And actually quite easy to dismantle, if you felt like it. Just do the reverse.

But have you ever heard of a Meccano structure collapsing by itself by dropping a top part on the bottom part?

Of course not. It doesn't work like that. The perps blow the towers into pieces from top down. But to do so they had to fake the media coverage of the event beforehand ... as Simonshack admirably has described for us.

Unread post by **brianv** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:53 pm

On a point of interest : The welders who applied for work on the WTC had to undergo an examination - they were given various welding tasks and their efforts were x-rayed. Only the most skilled welders got hired needless to say.

Unread post by **wraith36** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:36 pm

All uprights wont need to be welded fully as there interlocking but would be bolted at some point and just small weld used to hold things together as they went up, but all floor pans would have to be welded and riveted as part of the strength.

And yes brianv.

All steal that has to do such a job as a high rise will be xray'ed for imperfections and fixed if found.
All rivets are also flattened out so they cant move,work,jump free from where they are placed.

And any bolts used would be of such a grade that once in place you would either have to use a spanner or cut through them or melt them which the fire on that day wouldn't be able to have done.
So that makes for one really strong structure that only bombs or something else could break and dislodge.

Also when the first tower leaned over that doesn't mean it would bring the thing down.I would like to say it would stop and rest there.
Maybe partial demolition but not full failure.

And when that tower leaned over it pivoted away on both sides.
One side dropped while one side lifted.Very odd.Total failure of all strengthening uprights and beams failing together is just not normal.

In a video they use a shape charge to step the building free which they must have done to get that to lean over and pivot.

I cant see that happening as the steal that dropped would drop but the steal that never would just bend and stop the thing from going any further leaving the top on a tilt.
One side dropped while the other lifted and moved to the right of the image but smoke trys to hide this which it sort of does, But not totally.

Alls i can say is Silverstein got rid of everything he didn't want.
Did he get money back for all the other building plus 7 or just the two towers.

Unread post by **wraith36** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:57 pm

And what shot out of the second building away from the tower at high speed.

Ive seen it in so many videos but nobody ever says what this is or might be.
I'm not having it that it was a wheel hub or engine.

There wasn't any sized hole that either could have came out of.

Could it be the front of a missile or a passport.
And when they show the wreckage on the pentagon lawn they show a piece of body with a big red dot on it which looks like it came from a jet fighter not a passenger plane.

Unread post by **Tufa** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:02 am

And what shot out of the second building away from the tower at high speed.
Ive seen it in so many videos but nobody ever says what this is or might be.
Im not having it that it was a wheel hub or engine.

This is kind of a significant point. The plane-picture flight path is not consistent from one clip to the next, but the explosion is. So, is the explosion is real? Well, sort of. An obvious alternative, to mount a real explosion, in full scale, in the tower, including 180 m3 of fuel (petrol) can be ruled out as no real explosion can produce the subliminal pictures of animals and faces in the smoke. Most likely have they built model towers, and then fired the explosion several times until it look right. Try looking at the smoke and explosion in 4x video speed. Can you see that the explosion "clips" actually run in slow-motion?.

When the video has been recorded, from many vantage points, you then later insert the subliminal pictures. You then cut in the foreground and the background.

There wasn't any sized hole that either could have came out of.
Could it be the front of a missile or a passport.

You cannot use any of this video as evidence/foundation of arguments, as if it was the real thing. This also includes the "falling" of the towers. It is a model/computer model/film trickery, and no ordinary rules apply. So, the "engine" "ejected" without any "hole" in the "Tower" is an inconsistency that prove that it is not real. Kindly, do not make the conclusion, that all the other parts of the video are real! It is not real, it is a FAKE!

Unread post by **wraith36** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:30 pm

Sorry tufa if i seemed like i thought any video or anything recorded was real that day.

I judge things by how it looks to me which is what counts isn't it.
I don't believe what i watched on the news or after the events were telling a true story from that day.

And ive spoken about this with a friend who is also out for answers and truth,which we both agree there are things wrong with more than just 911.
911 isn't the only thing i watch videos about as long as i think theres an alternative idea on how that looks and is told to me which i will then question.

There is always two side to every story and i want to here both so i can judge it best.
I'm 100% sure in my heart ive been lied to and millions of others have been to.

Just thought i had to ask thoughts questions which will have good people here who understand video so much more than me.
I don't understand video in any form other than i can watch it.

Still good points i wanted info on if there was any. B)

What are you guys using to look at videos that i can use so i can have a look.
Its not something i have done before so which ever tool is easiest to use would be a starting point.

Thanks in advance.

Unread post by **simonshack** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:27 pm

Dear wraith36,

This is taken straight from our forum rules, which you agreed with as you signed on here:

If you would like to be a member of this board, please have all of the following:

1. A working e-mail address (confirmation may take a few days)
2. Complete familiarity with http://www.septemberclues.org and a good understanding of media fakery
3. Motivation to contribute cogent research

Point 3 is my favorite one. Please don't be crossed if I now delete a few posts of yours - it doesn't mean I don't like you. Best wishes to your mother ! :)

Unread post by **wraith36** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:52 pm

Irm yep im sorry simon as i did go off topic a bit there.
And delete if you think its needed, its what i would do on our clan forum.

And thanks for the nice comment on my mum.
Much appreciated.

Unread post by **fbenario** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:32 am

I just posted this on my FB page. I'm sure I'll be attacked, and laughed at.

But of course on 9/11 no jets scrambled as soon as a problem was known. Think it might have been because there were no planes?

"Military jets scrambled to intercept a San Francisco-bound jetliner reporting a problem aboard -- one of two commercial airplanes diverted because of disruptive passengers.
...
On Wednesday, a Maui-bound Hawaiian Airlines flight from Portland, Ore., was turned around and escorted by two F-15 military fighters because of an uncooperative passenger."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100109/ap_ ... s_diverted

Unread post by **hoi.polloi** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:16 pm

fbenario @ Jan 9 2010, 11:32 AM wrote: I just posted this on my FB page. I'm sure I'll be attacked, and laughed at.

But of course on 9/11 no jets scrambled as soon as a problem was known. Think it might have been because there were no planes?

"Military jets scrambled to intercept a San Francisco-bound jetliner reporting a problem aboard — one of two commercial airplanes diverted because of disruptive passengers.
...
On Wednesday, a Maui-bound Hawaiian Airlines flight from Portland, Ore., was turned around and escorted by two F-15 military fighters because of an uncooperative passenger."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100109/ap_ ... s_diverted

David Ray Griffin claims jets appeared, but some several minutes late -- a rather unrealistic picture whether it's true or not.

Keep in mind, though, that our friend from simulation company Rockwell Collins (who "helped" make Apollo 11 a "success") was chief of NORAD on 9/11.

Read up on Ralph E. "Ed" Eberhart. He should be arrested and tried for treason immediately.

Unread post by **Tufa** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:35 am

On the welding of the perimeter columns; they are hold by four 1" bolts. A calculation of steel area at intersection: Column is 17.000 mm2 and bolts 2.000mm2 show that we need welding. We also need welding to keep the parts completely fixed; you don't want thousands of bolt joints making a scream when there is a gale!
So what do it cost?
You need approx 2 welders in each tower to weld the intersection, and segments was 3 stories high, so it is not much welding. When you are set to be responsible to build the highest tower the world have ever seen, one thing you don't do, is to cut a corner. In the "Building the WTC towers", there is also a clip, showing welders at work.

So, independent of the fact that all video is a complete fake, and provably so, we have the fact that the official saga simply don't go! You don't damage the building seriously if you crash in a plane. Additionally, there is no impulse transferred from the plane to the tower in any video. :blink:

It is not so, that a plane-picture was used. You have to use a plane picture!
And the sound tracks of the "crash" sound are really idiotic; example the Naudet where a man scream backwards with the sound reflection, that is more consistent with a indoor wharehouse than any outdoor recording.
The "September Clues" included recording ... on some answer machine ... also have these problems in addition to being inconsistent with the Naudet "recording". :wacko:

Unread post by **i811st** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:04 pm

Hello, I just was wondering if Simon or anyone else here has coined the term, "Planehugger"???. Just kinda came up with the play on words last night . and was wondering if it had already been used to describe the darkside of the "truth" movement. Some donkey called me a "no-Planer"followed by a giggle :angry: .A moment later, the word just came out of my mouth. I was LMAO :lol: at my own joke. so i thought i'd share.
Thanks to simon, hoi and all the members, here. this place is sanctuary. ;)

Unread post by **simonshack** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:18 pm

i811st 4 Jan 22 2010, 06:04 PM wrote: Hello, I just was wondering if Simon or anyone else here has coined the term, "Planehugger"???.

"A Planehugger"

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html

Hehe - yes it's a funny word. However, I guess it was coined quite some time ago by the 'funny folks' who ...uh...'pioneered' the no-plane discourse early on - only to start acting incredibly stupid, kooky and confusing so as to discredit the whole concept by association... :rolleyes:

Unread post by **fbenario** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:40 pm

I have a new Facebook friend who is a producer at Fox News. I just sent her the link to septemberclues.org, with this message:

"Do you generally trust the images shown on mainstream media to be truthful? Would you be interested in learning about media fakery? If so, watch the two halves of this video."

Any bets on how fast she removes me as a friend? Wouldn't it be nice if she were really interested?