9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

Unread post by **hoi.polloi** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:07 pm

You're right, there is no proof of any sim existing except for the tempered pattern of new users gaining acceptance here by supporting the research to a point, then doing a 180 and claiming some theretofore previously unknown mass of hidden personal details somehow cancels all the fakery and there is reality hidden perfectly behind the fakery like a person standing behind a cardboard cut-out of themselves and holding perfectly still.

Bullshit. A cut-out is a cut-out.

They are unwilling to share their hidden details because they are terrified of allowing them to be exposed as the pathetic "evidence" they claim it is. In all likelihood, when they claim to have a mass of details, they have one little speck of a sentence assigned them by their Nutwork Intelligence Overboreds which they have to try to form into a believable story.

The bad, patchwork photos themselves are such inadequate proofs of a sim's "real" life ... and actually go some way to demonstrating the inherent falseness of whatever sim they have adopted ... that their only strategy remaining is to beg for trust.

No way. Earn your trustworthiness, Culto. So far, you haven't done that at all. You've vaguely attacked the idea that anyone in the world has the right to doubt you.

That makes me doubt harder. You can't win hearts and minds with a perp strategy.

I remember someone criticizing or answering the challenge to "disprove" those "photos" by making marks on the images where it seemed it was apparent there had been photo-manipulation at work.

As for it being deleted, you will have to be more clear so that one of the Admins can see if they actually deleted anything you are talking about. If it was in this thread, yes it does appear to be gone. It could have been Simon deleted that because the poster was more than untrustworthy and their critique of the phake-ographs was a gesture to gain trust while pointlessly asserting the need to actually do so with obviously untrustworthy samples. I can tell you it wasn't me and I can say publicly to legitimate readers that we are in the process of transitioning from this forum because InvisionFree is apparently finding it amusing to watch our reactions when they remove topics. I am not sure if they are removing individual posts.

If they are working in concert with people like Culto, then it wouldn't be a good thing.

By the way, if Culto's strategy of proving some reality in their favorite sim is to throw at us vague accusations of tampering with posts about the sim, it's not going to fly. You could post a hundred fake videos of Lariby and it wouldn't make the sim any more real than she is in your twisted imagination.

By the way, in case you thought I hadn't noticed, your proposed web site of evidence is absurd.

Try clicking on a few of the links for a while and see if it still makes sense to you:
http://www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.v78qz.htm

This is obviously an elaborate fake of near-gibberish to the layman - in a quite sad attempt to add credence to the idea that you found a picture "out of context" of 9/11.

Give up. Collect your paycheck from the perps and send in the next stooges. Your further posts here will be heavily framed by our context now. You have been warned.

Unread post by **idschmyd** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:31 pm

don't you have the feeling that operating this way every time we have the chance would expose us to a lot of baits?

Yes. I do I do.

trying to directly challenge the authorities to prove the existence of vicsims.

I'm no expert on legal matters. Seems that one of the angles for a legal battle is to go after misappropriation of compensation funds, especially public money. Tricky, since the defence has resources to produce any amount of documentation and 'relatives' for even the longest list of vics.

Ideally: the Media channelled forged imagery and fake 'news' to hide the reality of the crimes of '9/11'. That can be demonstrated without breaking sweat - big thanks to all who made that possible (military intelligence services included). If there were deaths, it's time to take those who fabricated the images and 'news' in for questioning, since they're murderers, or covering for them. We'll soon find out if there were any real murders. Then we go after misappropriation of funds.

Police and legal assistance is not overwhelming at this time. Any ideas?

Unread post by **brianv** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:23 pm

Culto 4 Oct 28 2010, 04:02 PM wrote:
brianv 4 Oct 27 2010, 07:01 PM wrote: I recall Hoi's post....

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... &p=1619461

Can't be the same Culto who did all the facial comparisons - can it?

Brianv, wishing your reading-skills were as brilliant as your avatar(:D) is!

Your link refers to my first post about the Ingeborg Lariby case, which hoi.polloi answered by defining the "simformation-sources".

Well, that's exactly the reason why I developed my own sources outside
this simformation, avoiding this whole issue of 'perp-infested' sources on the internet.

I read you loud and clear!

Which BORG is this btw?

The half-bald, bad-to-the-bone, IngeBorg who got mixed up with Arnold Schwarzsomething after a genetic engineering disaster at the 46Billion Dollar Gentech facility.

Somebody else entirely..

Unread post by **hoi.polloi** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:58 pm

Was Inge known for getting her face slashed, as above, and having the scar extend into her cascading hair?

No, of course not.

The bad quality of most vicsim pictures is inexcusable. I had the crappiest digital camera in 2001 and it wasn't nearly as grainy and vague as these are.

As for the story that these are scanned photographs, news professionals should know better on how to produce quality.

The story that any of these is a legitimate picture celebrating the life of a loved one who died on 9/11 - when no better quality pics exist - is bizarre to the extreme, and lends credence to the idea that nobody died on 9/11.

Unread post by **fbenario** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:37 am

idschmyd 4 Oct 28 2010, 11:49 AM wrote: Cease being a dickhead and start providing evidence for your ‘outside the loop’ alleged efforts ? sell us this scoop.

Totally agree.

Culto, the ONLY proof we are interested in seeing is objective evidence likely to convince a neutral reader. Vague skepticism and vague assertions just waste everyone's time. Saying 'I have proof, but I don't trust the readers here enough to show them', is a sign of bad faith. We exist as a research site, with the goal of proving media fakery on 9/11.

How does saying I have evidence, but I'm hiding it from you, help anyone? It just looks like you're stroking something - your own ego?

Unread post by **fred** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:52 am

OnlineTV's own Jersey Boy from Chicago in Spain has personal evidence and we don't take it at face value just because he says so? Must be some obscure cult clown thing I don't get.

How was the trip to the Holy Land?

I agree with the idea that there are a variety of different types of sim going on, some that are just names of the Homer Jay Simpson or Charles Xavier variety and some with a little more time, effort, and backstopping.

So where's the exciting personal evidence for IngyBingy, Icky Ricky?

Pics or it didn't happen, as they say, old chap.

Unread post by **Culto** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:37 am

nonhocapito 4 Oct 28 2010, 04:08 PM wrote: The "step by step" remark meant simply this: a sincere researcher, willing to share her or his material with others, does not arrive to the forum with everything ready in his hands, and yet being vague about details. One would come back saying "I discovered this" since collaborative research *works*, as far as I can tell.
Pardon me if I am suspicious of solitary accomplishments that rain on others without clarity on the process, or even the material itself.

If that's what you mean by 'step-by-step', then I agree. Sorry, I misunderstood your first remark about that.
Maybe it's a good idea to post some more 'work-in-progress' to be discussed on the forum. Most of what I've doing so far was by email and field-work.

Some of my views may differ from what is stated in the Vicsim Report: I don't go for all of the 2800 being "pixel-vicsims".
It's a fascinating concept that the 9-11 psy-op might be used to fake the deaths of real persons as well, like in the JFK-murder hoax.

The following 5 persons have no traceable links with Ingeborg Lariby on the internet, like the memorial-sites, blogs, forums, Twitter, Facebook, whatever.
So, if Ingy were a sim, why would the perps have included these persons in their backstopping-system in the first place?

1. Bruno De Man.

[email protected]

http://be.linkedin.com/pub/bruno-de-man/0/519/487

http://www.ecco-org.eu/Contact/Staff/page.aspx/26 (scroll halfway for his photo.)

2. Marie-Paule Vande Velde.

[email protected]

http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/marie-paule- ... e/8/b1/370

http://www.travel-watch.com/westinparis1.htm (scroll halfway for her photo.)

3. Tania Verhasselt.

[email protected]

http://be.linkedin.com/pub/tania-verhasselt/1/a23/617

http://web.archive.org/web/201312081533 ... /home.html

4. Joep Bakx.

[email protected]

http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/joep-bakx/15/69a/aa0

http://twitter.com/joepbakx

http://web.archive.org/web/201109040940 ... r/trsm.asp

5. Marion Flipse.

[email protected]

http://be.linkedin.com/pub/marion-flipse/1/781/762

http://www.flipsepartners.com/

http://www.plaxo.com/directory/profile/ ... ion/Flipse

Unread post by **brianv** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:38 am

"I knew Ingeborg" x2, "I have known Inge" x2 and "Brussels" x3.

"Indeed I have known Ingeborg personally". Scripted responses IMO.

Unread post by **Nosmo King** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:32 pm

@Brianv

I'm looking into this stuff from Culto and I have to say its a little strange. The Brussels stuff is very strange (see the image linked below).

Apparently these sim(cri)minals live and work within a three mile radius of each other!

Tania Verhasselt is both a heavyweight ICT specialist and a longstanding artist?

This guy Bakx goes from being an apparently incompetent Hotelier to accomplished wine grower?

Joep Bakx

Also the language used in the mails is very ambiguous when translated from the Dutch to English. Will come back on this possibly.

Unread post by **idschmyd** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:45 pm

Nosmo King @ Oct 31 2010, 01:32 PM wrote: I'm looking into this stuff from Culto and I have to say its a little strange. The Brussels stuff is very strange (see the image linked below).

Apparently these sim(cri)minals live and work within a three mile radius of each other!

Also the language used in the mails is very ambiguous when translated from the Dutch to English. Will come back on this possibly.

Please come back to it.

Can someone give an accurate translation Dutch to English?

Unread post by **brianv** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:53 pm

Reed Elsevier are an Anglo Dutch publishing house. They publish Medical Journals and terrorist handbooks for the alleged "military". Another of Elsevier's businesses is arranging Terrorist Arms Fairs where you can buy cluster bombs to kill and maim children and Torture Batons for their parents when they come to complain.

I dont know the current situation but the call for the banning of Arms Fairs must have been an issue for Elsevier. There was also their alleged involvement in the 7/7 hoax and the curious case of the Medics revolting over being published by the same people who publish for those who murder people for a living.

Looks like [Reed] Elsevier are quite big in Brussels!!

Inge had a spread in Elsevier Magazine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Elsevier

http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2009/ ... -industry/

When you see names like Enron and Reed Elsevier together you got to take notice!

http://www.martindale.com/Crowell-Morin ... office.htm

http://www.crowell.com/

Unread post by **squiggy** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:07 pm

google translate (under more features) will work. it appears as though most are saying they have very little memory of her.

Unread post by **hoi.polloi** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:35 pm

This sounds precisely like the people I have met in person who claim to have known someone but are unable to relate their relationship to them on a convincing personal level. In fact, it's even less detailed and less convincing than the old Loris Centola interview that was so surreal.

Gee, it's almost as if knowing a sim sounds scripted and artificial. Imagine that.

Did the emails also include recorded tapes of their cat "Rusty" and baby photos - just for extra convincing flair? Did they all meet in a pub? Did Lariby really care about travel, meeting people and smiling and laughing? Was she one of the most infectious personalities in existence?

Oh I believe it! I believe it! Give me some more please. This bullshit is soooo tasty!

[Also, I am not so sure JFK died on that day, but that topic is closed right now; just wanted to get that in there. Please let's stay on topic and not use one hoax to prop up the conditions of another. Obviously, the perps are smart enough to use different variables during different hoaxes and each case must be taken individually.]

Unread post by **Nosmo King** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:03 pm

@idschmyd

Brianv basically nailed it I think. However I've done a little more detail on it (sorry that it took awhile but kids and sunday afternoons and football are not condusive to speedy posting I'm afraid!)

Bruno de Man

My dear...

(in response to a question apparently posed by "Culto") Yes, I did indeed know Ingeborg well. Unfortunately, at the moment I do not know where to locate any photo's or suchlike of her.
You might like to continue your search amongst her ex-colleagues a number of whom can be contacted through my own profile at Linked-in or Facebook.

In the meantime I wish you good luck with your search,

kind regards,

Bruno

Comments: Content van Bruno is accepted as safe by Culto (see Hotmail safety configuration options) but not yet added to his contacts despite previous contact and a generally warm feel to the communication.

Marie-Paule van de Velde

Hello,

(again in response to an apparent inquiry by "Culto") Yes, I knew Ingeborg when I was DOS&M at the Brusels Sheraton.
Doon't recall much because we really only worked a short time together. I will however ask around if anybody happens to have any photo's or suchlike.
I was enormously saddened on hearing the terrible news and I hold her in fond memory.

Kind regards,

mpaule

Comments: Content from this character is accepted as safe and has been added by Culto to his list of contacts.(see Hotmail safety configuration options); again the use of the informal headings and signing off. Both Bruno and mapule refer to "photo's or suchlike" ("foto's of dergelijks")

Tania Verhasselt

Dear.....

(again in response to an apparent inquiry by "Culto") Goodness Yes, you're quite right, I did know Inge in as much as she "came on board" just as I as I was leaving the Sheraton. So I only worked with her a very short time.
However I don't have any documents, such as foto's of her or suchlike so I'm afraid I can't help you. Someone who might possibly be able to help you though would be Marie-Paule van de Velde who was Sales Director and, later on, General Manager of the Sheraton. She works in Paris now but you should be able to contact her through my Linkedin profile.

kindest regards,

Tania Verhasselt

Comments: Apparently a safe contact and also added to contacts. Stylistically confusing; formal yet at the same time familiar. (especially the use of informal headers and for example allowing access to her own social networks, which btw seems another common thread)

Joep Bakx

(At least the second time Bakx responds to .. ("Culto"?) because he seemed to have misunderstood the previous message)
Dear ......

Indeed, my mistake, I was director in Brussels at the time now it's come back to me, I remember her from Brussels and not from Istanbul. My apologies. I have no contact with the Conrad Brussel either now, perhaps it would be useful if you contacted the then Sales Director Marion Flipse. Unfortunately I don't have her email address but I assume that it is possible to find it on the internet.

If I happen to find her address I shall inform you.

Kind regards,

Joep Bakx

Comments: Mr Bakxs' memory deficiencies seem perhaps par for the course (see my prvious posting). Again confusing style including very formal heading (geachte) and familiar closing. Also a further reference to social networks.

Marion Flipse

I certainly knew Ingeborg personally. Worked with her when she worked for Regus and I worked at the Hotel Conrad Brussels. It was still being built then.
She then went to work at the Conrad Brussels, but by that time I had long gone. I'm not sure exactly what you want to know but I do know quite a few people who also knew her.

Kind regards,

marion

Comments: This character not considered safe (see Hotmail safety configuration options). No header at all this time but a friendly enough closing.

You guys will make more sense of this than I can but it sure as blazes doesn't sound like any email I've ever sent or received. Good luck!

Unread post by **hoi.polloi** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:46 pm

Dear Sir Whoever You Think You Are,

I didn't think I knew her. Maybe I did know her. Yes, I did.

I can't go into it.

Lovingly,
Your Friend Forever
Such and such