I'm nervous now having spent the last 24 hours fairly consistently off-topic. I understand hoi's desire to organize. We need a thread for the extraneous.
Don't be. I am fairly confident that we have purged *almost* all the trolls by turning the Krazy Killtown-forum Krash into a speck of good.
This Jewish thing is one of the most important discussions that can happen, especially the understanding that racism is heinous. Each of our personal lives are among the least relevant, though of course we must go there when it is absolutely necessary. The trolls will stay away so long as we maintain the relatively tiny bit of control we have over this minute section of the Internets - which I want to remind people is literally about one billionth of the available places to discuss matters of all topics. We got the "septemberclues.org" name for little more than a song and some pocket lint. Start your own InvisionFree thing if you need alternate discussions. It's easy - it takes like 10 minutes.
So if you are upset that we are maintaining "fascist" or "religious" control of things - my goodness! Pack your bags. So far, I have not gotten that feeling from anybody, so it all seems good.
With brianv and a few spare others around the Interwebs being the only people who apparently understand the extent that fakery technology and artificial system dynamics are being used to fake huge world events with enormous fakery methods, I think we are doing a service to humanity for maintaining the discussion here.
To get back "on topic" somewhat, as reasonably requested by Simon ...
Here is a discussion I would like to start for those who don't believe the obvious Memorial Scams are indications that nobody died.
LET'S EXAMINE THE DRAMA TRIANGLE of the OFFICIAL STORY
HERO -+- MONSTER -+- VICTIM
This dynamic, as explored in "Super Not It Bros." (youtube.com/notitbros) is a requisite for all human dramas, especially ones as fabricated as 9/11. Each role either plays a mixture of the different parts or supports the drama from the outside by funding the roles with cash. When someone is a totally mixed bag, with no clear role, that person is removed from the main drama. When just one of the roles is emptied of clear participants, the other roles wither and the drama dies.
Of course life is composed of many overlapping dramas, but does the official 9/11 drama still stand up in any way?
In 9/11, the heroes are usually one of two things: DEAD or IN WAR.
E.g.; Firefighter wanted to save people, went in to the towers to die.
E.g.; Survivor runs from the wreckage, with a renewed vigor to join the armed forces and kill 'em some dirty Arabs.
E.g.; Passionate person caught up in drama sez "I want to donate money to the victims' families since I am too old or cowardly to kill me some dirty Arabs."
In 9/11, the monsters are usually one of two things: TERRORIST or SKEPTIC
E.g.; Evil terrorist flies at towers, knife brandished, ready to take out any and all people drinking a sinful Starbucks latte
E.g.; Evil disbeliever tries to walk away from the drama, saying the entire thing is a lie - well he's probably a pinko communist donating money to hippies or Alex Jones
In 9/11, the victims are ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO CLAIM VICTIMHOOD
E.g.; I died and I am commenting on my own profile from beyond the grave
E.g.; My family member died and they were the greatest Jesus, I mean person, who ever lived
E.g.; I watched TV and the explosion made me think of that time a dog ran over me when I was little, and I cried
BUT NOW ....
HERE ARE THE "VILLAINS"
We have practically eliminated the official story's villains from scientific reality by showing they are variously fabricated from thin air, doubled from existing people and could not have possibly achieved what they supposedly achieved. A totally mixed bag with no clear role.
HERE ARE THE "HEROES"
We have made moot the official story's apparent heroes. Since everything was apparently planned long in advance and involved huge money making deals, and the firefighters are -at the very least- MOSTLY fabricated out of thin air, we have to believe that some ladders were informed and others were not? That some firefighters in the know sent firefighters "out of the know" to their certain doom? A totally mixed bag with no clear role.
HERE ARE THE "VICTIMS"
Having also - for all extents and purposes - rendered the apparent victims obsolete, we have to believe there was foreknowledge of this, planning, that people received e-mails telling them not to come into work the next day, that the buildings were pre-evacuated and yet some people STILL insisted on being in the area or firefighters STILL insisted on going in to a controlled demolition, just to make the whole thing seem more real? It's absurd, and having shown that the victims are used to make money, we have shown that even the so-called victims are reduced again to a totally mixed bag with no clear role.
There are no more clear, believable "villains" from the 9/11 story.
There are no more clear, believable "heroes" from the 9/11 story.
There are no more clear, believable "victims" from the 9/11 story.
Ergo
THE OFFICIAL DRAMA IS 100% DEMOLISHED.
The pieces that survived are being compared now, as if to reconstruct events from a false understanding that these pieces are perfectly imbued with unquestionable reality. I'm all for recycling, but ...
Your only choice, if you want people to buy a new story of Victims-Villains-Heroes is to start from this basic understanding and try to form a new DRAMA TRIANGLE. As a story teller, you have some explaining to do. So:
For those who still insist that SOMEONE must have died on 9/11, please explain the new scenario you imagine took place.
Explain:
1. The motive for deaths
2. Who the heroes might be
3. Who the villains are
Steven, you go first! I think you have explained to me that you believe it was because there was some resistence in the effort to perform the 9/11 operation and they had to silence that resistence. Do you still stand by that as a possible motive for people dying on 9/11? You have said there were fire fights, like with guns, and that those were inner FBI or inner CIA type deaths?