9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS

[simonshack]

-nn ? facile dire qualcosa,io nn riesco ancora a capire il perch? di tutto questo.
Poso dire che mi sento molto vicina all'america.
E oggi anche se sono italiana piango per le vittime dell'11 settembre.
Dono una rosa a tutte le vittime.

Translation from Italian :

- it's not easy to say anything, I still don't understand the reason for all this. I can say that I feel very close to America. And today, even though I'm Italian I cry for all the victims of September 11.
I offer (donate) a rose to all the victims.

Roses, roses...

[brianv]

http://whois.domaintools.com/irishtribute.com

Domain Name: IRISHTRIBUTE.COM

Registrant:

Hanafin, William
Hanafin Domains (Owner of 33 Domains according to Whois)
Heritage Business Park
Bessboro Road, Blackrock
Cork, Cork 3
IE

Google is not being fruitful here!

http://www.hanafin.com/

:blink:

w2qrx cell in Cork?

[Miranda-Priestly]

Just entering shark invested waters long enough to laugh publicly at OBO's post.

[stevenwarran]

OK Simon, you asked me to do some research and to come up with a name I think might be proven to be a not-vicsim. I have.

I have a new friend with whom I'm becoming quite close---close enough to say anything I want about 9/11 at least, or sex for that matter. His name is Bill Baker. He has a rather unusual 9/11 story, which is told in an even more unusual second-person fashion on a blog page here
http://web.archive.org/web/200504080355 ... z/bpr.html

(I notice that in the few months since I first read the page it has been taken down, and is only available now on archive.org. I'll further save the narrative online and on my hard drive, lest it disappear.)

I haven't mentioned Bill until now because I've been trying to fathom his story. He says things like, "as he was getting across the Brooklyn Bridge covered in ash he saw an Arab man celebrating and throwing candies in the air." I said, "Bill, how can you spew such Jewish nonsense?!" But he insists---that is his memory. I think he has been trauma programed somehow. He suffers from nightmares at anniversary time each year.

He came into my life in a rather peculiar fashion, and I've always assumed he was somehow complex-related-and-positioned (he is a very fit and attractive ex-Marine, my age, my type---not to take myself so seriously, but there we have it.)

Anyway, I broached the vicsim research with him tonight and he said immediately, "Glen Pettit," a name I recognize as the police department photographer/videographer who figures in the Todd Maisel/ David Handschuh narratives. http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... -todd.html
Bill says he knew Glen well, that their mothers were extremely close, big funeral, etc.

I think Pettit is a mock victim, not a vicsim.

P.S. I just reread Bill Baker's story as told by "Barry L. Ritholtz" including a post script I'd never read before, and I must say, it's nothing but a bunch of Jewish garbage. I've posted both pieces on a blog "Barry L. Ritholtz: Fucking Jerk---Tells Bill Baker's Story: 'A Personal Recollection From a Day of Horror'"

Such horrible trash. I'll invite Bill Baker to participate here if he so chooses.


http://stevenwarran-backstage.blogspot. ... tells.html

[ozzybinoswald]

No way Oz. That guy has got eyes painted on his eyelids and he has someone else's teeth!

That's right. Somebody certainly didn't give enough consideration to the sizing for sure. But fake is always going to be somewhat fake looking I suppose. It's just a matter of the discrimination of the observer.

Speaking of Oz, I transferred Stanley Praimnath's face onto the Scarecrow using an oddcast site gimmick. It's primitive but quite silly.

See it here.

When you use that tech in an up close face many times the transferred teeth don't line up particularly well with the original teeth and the resulting overlap looks like wadding or gum in the mouth when the mouth opens. I've wondered if something like that was used in the 'woist than the foist' guy/Gary Welz street scene. The same look of wadding lolling around the mouth.

He's at 1:30 here

You can see the "wadding" in the Tiny Gary Welz vid here.

[brianv]

You can see the "wadding" in the Tiny Gary Welz vid here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KlnckFatw

Not available in my country due to copyright restrictions!!

[ozzybinoswald]

You can see the "wadding" in the Tiny Gary Welz vid here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KlnckFatw

Not available in my country due to copyright restrictions!!

It's set in the old Christmas movie 'A Miracle on 34th Street. Forbidden to the Irish due to the risk of religious riots.

http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/1 ... a-mp4.html


And Steven? I'm with the JREFs on the Jewish garbage bit. I get the sense you harbor something more than a philosophical distaste. Racism is eugenics and nothing more.
It's inhumane. It's tragic and self-defeating.

What happened to 'do no evil'? If I'm Jewish am I trash? I'm willing to let the fudge packing "slide" for the common purpose. Still pissed about jolly old Sodom or what?

Follow my love lead. Love baby. That's where it's at. Love shack. It's a love shack.

Let's buy the world a coke, etc.

[stevenwarran]

Ozzie--

You'll give me a pass on all my sodomy references but draw the line at my anti-Jewish diatribes, is that it?

Well thanks. In return I'll give you a pass on all the child-porn accusations that fly your way.

Are all three off-topic and a waste of time? Perhaps, but that's what comes with our being human beings, with all our foibles and frailties. We take the good with the bad.

I write about a conspiracy of businesspeople who happen to be Jewish. I call them as I see them. I take the greatest risk of all---I risk being in poor taste, since Jewish identity has got good taste all wrapped up in their collective suffering, grief, paranoia and insanity. It's a made up story guys!

I've written about REAL Antisemitism---"The Devils Horns"
http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... ocacy.html
which is ALWAYS Christian based, and in the case cited, found within the American military, but since that doesn't fit the current narrative myths about evil Muslims that's to be disregarded.

I've written with equal passion about the complicity of fundamentalist Weaponized Christians http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... l-van.html

and the willing Christians who volunteer to be faux-burned for their God's sake

http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... dwell.html

And, if you want, I'll write something about the Jesuits, like the criminally insane Scalia, as soon as I can get around to it, (or somebody feeds me something really juicy...hint, hint.)

For Barry L. Ritholtz to write:

"I'm half way across the bridge, and -- even more unbelievable -- an Arab man is singing & celebrating, clapping and yelling "My Arab brothers, my Arab brothers." I was too concerned with my own survival to do anything to him -- though a few things came to mind. My own thoughts were: I just want to live through this, just see my wife and kids. Right then, four iron workers grab the guy. I figured they were going to kill him, there and then. The cops are on the group in a flash, and break it up. I tell the cops to let them throw 'em over the side. The bastard's lucky they didn't kill him on the spot."

Is Jewish garbage of the highest rank!

Not a single fucking image from New York or Arlington came out in the days after 9/11 with a caption carrying any identification of victim, hero or rescuer, but a dozen images came out of Gaza and the West Bank of Palestinians celebrating that carried the names and villages of mothers and their children. If you don't see this as Jewish fabricated garbage then I pity you Ozzie!

For your information, my girlfriend is Jewish. Classically Jewish---middle-class, brilliant, Midwood High School/Brooklyn educated---and she shares her honestly earned fortune with me. So I'm 100-percent Jewish funded, with delicious, clean, honorable, childlike-and-becoming, easy-to-spend U.S. jew-dollars. You should know such bliss!

Take that, and my Google away from me, and I'd be nothing. More insane and worse looking than Ace Baker even. But I'll place the God that fills my head up against any God the Jews can claim---for this world is in a fucked up mess and needs to change radically right now and there are Jews who understand this and support whatever traumatic upheaval is in store for all of us---even if that means especially Jews!

If you are not a part of the solution then you are a part of the problem. Can anybody honestly say that the Jewish power structure today is a part of the solution? That is madness. Take 9/11 along with the wars that followed, but also with the wars that came before.

Am I asking the Jews to take the fall for the Rockefellers? No, I'm asking them all to step down. Peaceably, for their own goods.

And Ozzie child...I am full of love...the good, the bad, and the indifferent kind. Jewish identity is racist. I'm Irish trash Ozzie. I can't be racist. Below me are only the niggers and the dogs, and I love the niggers and the dogs most of all.

[ozzybinoswald]

Well that's different from the simple visceral aversion I thought I was hearing - and which seemed so incongruous with your other sentiments. I should have checked your blog. I am a new follower there after all but have not gotten to it. I do understand your definitions now and I'm well aware of the manipulation you call garbage.

I must admit, I am not comfortable with what you call "Jewish identity" as if something that can be applied en masse, even if, for the most part, it is a fact. Coming from a Christian background, in effect, raised in the desert with the Patriarchs, I'm still prone to confusing 3000 year old Torah-based beliefs (if such ever existed for more than a moment then and again) with present realities. I don't think it's an uncommon paradox and you might agree that is just that misunderstanding which is endlessly abused . But when you say the Jews must "step down" I wonder what new and eventual terror is next to presume to dictate, soon to draw on the robes?

And I don't believe in trash other than those who earn it through action. Irish? There is no English throne without Erin. I have Cearbhall MacDunghal in my blood and damned proud of it.

I'm nervous now having spent the last 24 hours fairly consistently off-topic. I understand hoi's desire to organize. We need a thread for the extraneous.

[hoi.polloi]

I'm nervous now having spent the last 24 hours fairly consistently off-topic. I understand hoi's desire to organize. We need a thread for the extraneous.

Don't be. I am fairly confident that we have purged *almost* all the trolls by turning the Krazy Killtown-forum Krash into a speck of good.

This Jewish thing is one of the most important discussions that can happen, especially the understanding that racism is heinous. Each of our personal lives are among the least relevant, though of course we must go there when it is absolutely necessary. The trolls will stay away so long as we maintain the relatively tiny bit of control we have over this minute section of the Internets - which I want to remind people is literally about one billionth of the available places to discuss matters of all topics. We got the "septemberclues.org" name for little more than a song and some pocket lint. Start your own InvisionFree thing if you need alternate discussions. It's easy - it takes like 10 minutes.

So if you are upset that we are maintaining "fascist" or "religious" control of things - my goodness! Pack your bags. So far, I have not gotten that feeling from anybody, so it all seems good.

With brianv and a few spare others around the Interwebs being the only people who apparently understand the extent that fakery technology and artificial system dynamics are being used to fake huge world events with enormous fakery methods, I think we are doing a service to humanity for maintaining the discussion here.

To get back "on topic" somewhat, as reasonably requested by Simon ...

Here is a discussion I would like to start for those who don't believe the obvious Memorial Scams are indications that nobody died.

LET'S EXAMINE THE DRAMA TRIANGLE of the OFFICIAL STORY
HERO -+- MONSTER -+- VICTIM

This dynamic, as explored in "Super Not It Bros." (youtube.com/notitbros) is a requisite for all human dramas, especially ones as fabricated as 9/11. Each role either plays a mixture of the different parts or supports the drama from the outside by funding the roles with cash. When someone is a totally mixed bag, with no clear role, that person is removed from the main drama. When just one of the roles is emptied of clear participants, the other roles wither and the drama dies.

Of course life is composed of many overlapping dramas, but does the official 9/11 drama still stand up in any way?

In 9/11, the heroes are usually one of two things: DEAD or IN WAR.
E.g.; Firefighter wanted to save people, went in to the towers to die.
E.g.; Survivor runs from the wreckage, with a renewed vigor to join the armed forces and kill 'em some dirty Arabs.
E.g.; Passionate person caught up in drama sez "I want to donate money to the victims' families since I am too old or cowardly to kill me some dirty Arabs."

In 9/11, the monsters are usually one of two things: TERRORIST or SKEPTIC
E.g.; Evil terrorist flies at towers, knife brandished, ready to take out any and all people drinking a sinful Starbucks latte
E.g.; Evil disbeliever tries to walk away from the drama, saying the entire thing is a lie - well he's probably a pinko communist donating money to hippies or Alex Jones

In 9/11, the victims are ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO CLAIM VICTIMHOOD
E.g.; I died and I am commenting on my own profile from beyond the grave
E.g.; My family member died and they were the greatest Jesus, I mean person, who ever lived
E.g.; I watched TV and the explosion made me think of that time a dog ran over me when I was little, and I cried


BUT NOW ....

HERE ARE THE "VILLAINS"
We have practically eliminated the official story's villains from scientific reality by showing they are variously fabricated from thin air, doubled from existing people and could not have possibly achieved what they supposedly achieved. A totally mixed bag with no clear role.

HERE ARE THE "HEROES"
We have made moot the official story's apparent heroes. Since everything was apparently planned long in advance and involved huge money making deals, and the firefighters are -at the very least- MOSTLY fabricated out of thin air, we have to believe that some ladders were informed and others were not? That some firefighters in the know sent firefighters "out of the know" to their certain doom? A totally mixed bag with no clear role.

HERE ARE THE "VICTIMS"
Having also - for all extents and purposes - rendered the apparent victims obsolete, we have to believe there was foreknowledge of this, planning, that people received e-mails telling them not to come into work the next day, that the buildings were pre-evacuated and yet some people STILL insisted on being in the area or firefighters STILL insisted on going in to a controlled demolition, just to make the whole thing seem more real? It's absurd, and having shown that the victims are used to make money, we have shown that even the so-called victims are reduced again to a totally mixed bag with no clear role.

There are no more clear, believable "villains" from the 9/11 story.

There are no more clear, believable "heroes" from the 9/11 story.

There are no more clear, believable "victims" from the 9/11 story.

Ergo
THE OFFICIAL DRAMA IS 100% DEMOLISHED.
The pieces that survived are being compared now, as if to reconstruct events from a false understanding that these pieces are perfectly imbued with unquestionable reality. I'm all for recycling, but ...

Your only choice, if you want people to buy a new story of Victims-Villains-Heroes is to start from this basic understanding and try to form a new DRAMA TRIANGLE. As a story teller, you have some explaining to do. So:

For those who still insist that SOMEONE must have died on 9/11, please explain the new scenario you imagine took place.

Explain:

1. The motive for deaths
2. Who the heroes might be
3. Who the villains are


Steven, you go first! I think you have explained to me that you believe it was because there was some resistence in the effort to perform the 9/11 operation and they had to silence that resistence. Do you still stand by that as a possible motive for people dying on 9/11? You have said there were fire fights, like with guns, and that those were inner FBI or inner CIA type deaths?

[simonshack]

http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... -todd.html
Bill says he knew Glen well, that their mothers were extremely close, big funeral, etc.

I think Pettit is a mock victim, not a vicsim.


http://stevenwarran-backstage.blogspot. ... tells.html

Steven,

Hoi's last post defines a no-nonsense approach which - by defining the many milestones set so far - indicate the direction the end-run of our research must take.

The debate is currently centered on an issue which - realistically - cannot be settled by any of our valiant investigating efforts, no matter how hard we try: "Is the entire body of 9/11 victims (as listed in the bizarre memorials) what it mostly appears to be, i.e. a total fraud - or do these memorials contain a number of people who really were murdered on 9/11 ? "

If the latter is the case, we must of course ask ourselves what logic & motives might be behind the killing of those people - and what roles they might have had to 'justify' their elimination. (We must, at the same time, not forget that we now have evidence of face-morphing of the 'victims' portraits). However, here's some food for thought I may offer on the subject. I think it may help reconcile our diverging views around the mock-victim/vicsim debate :

In order to 'back up' my following - admittedly speculative - musings, I will reference you to the "Visual Control" page of the septemberclues.org site :

http://www.septemberclues.org/visual_control.htm

As you can read at mid-page of "Visual Control", I mention this :
"Only special cameras shielded in protective faraday-cages would function."
Now, even if the private cameras were blocked with EMP-HERF, the perps themselves would have - in all likelyhood - wished to capture their own, exclusive images of the event : properly edited, some of this material would have been used to concoct the propaganda 9/11 documentaries. Now, both Hoi and I have meticulously studied the Naudet brothers movie "911". It is, as you know, fully set in a NYPD-environment. So, here's my little musing: could some NYPD personnel have been drafted into this all-important camera team and - when the work was done - been 'conveniently' eliminated ?

Now, do we have any clues indicating that Glen Pettit, for instance, might have been chosen for such a "swat filming team"? Yes - it would seem so: Here is his tribute page on Legacy.com :

Glen K. Pettit
World Trade Center

The Smile Behind a Camera

Glen Pettit took on a lot and never let it slow him down. In addition to being a New York City police officer, he was a TV news cameraman, a freelance photographer, a volunteer fireman and a devotee of Irish tradition and music.

Then there was the endless flood of gifts: from care packages of Skippy peanut butter for friends in East Asia to the prized seat he arranged for his mother at a Christmas Eve mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral, just a row from the mayor and police commissioner. "If he loved you he loved you completely, and he was going to take care of you," recalled Tara Felice, one of his six siblings.

Officer Pettit, 30, had joined the department's video production unit, which makes training and promotional videos. "His greatest love was being behind a camera, composing a shot," said his partner, Officer Scott Nicholson. The video unit responded to the World Trade Center attack hoping to get footage for an annual promotional tape it makes called "Heroes."

"Glen was telling us, 'I'm gonna get in close; you stay and get the establishing shots, get the rescue workers responding,' " Officer Nicholson recalled. "I looked over and Glen was running past me, camera in hand, heading toward the towers."

Profile published in THE NEW YORK TIMES on December 9, 2001.

[fred]

So, here's my musing: could some NYPD personnel have been drafted into this all-important camera team and - when the work was done - been 'conveniently' eliminated ?

Remember that the mayor of New York City was Rudy Giuliani, and that he seemed to cooperate with the whole War On Terror agenda.

It is simple matter to insert any number of spooks into the police force or any other government agency, since, after all, "they're all working for the government."

Rather than include some actual policemen as trusted co-workers and colleagues on a secret project, handing them real responsibility and putting them into a position where they could compromise the security of the entire operation, only to murder them after they loyally carried out what was asked of them...

It makes a lot more sense to have some trusted confederates on the police force, ("spooks"), who go back to being professional spooks once the job is done.

These deaths are about as real as "Ace Baker's suicide" (already debunked). Like Harley Shirt Actor Mark Humprey or characters on a soap opera, the dead policemen/lover/actor/spies simply retire from their roles conveniently as "dead heroes" and go on to the next job.

Word travels quickly and it would be rather difficult to get future cooperation from the NYPD if every other volunteer for covert operations ended up with two in the chest.

The "sim" idea has been around for a while, and burying the workers along with the secret treasure went out of fashion some time ago.

[fred]

I think Hoi's got it right with the (de)construction of the narrative. The whole 9-11 simulation was one big "morale operation" designed to shift everyone's frame of reference.

The whole narrative structure analysis fits right in with all the perception warfare research that's already been done.

9/11 is a big recruiting commercial designed to generate blind hatred for the "enemy", to equate heroism with self-sacrifice and service to authority figures, and to generate unwarranted sympathy for the financial/military/industrial complex/perpetrators as "victim".

There's no more need to murder participants in the NYPD camera crew, if ever there were such an entity, than there is to "use poison gas" to murder passengers on the supposed airlines flights as advocated by Loose Change.

Nobody who was not part of the 9-11 operation was running around with an EMP-harded HERF-resistant camera on September 11. [Can you imagine the budget request for that at the NYPD? "Hey Boss, I want to purchase a bunch of EMP-harded cameras for our internal movie crew in case there's a nuclear war or we get attacked by the CIA and US Military and we need to independently document that event."]

There are some live-action actors running around who played roles in the 9-11 simulation (Mark Humphrey, Gary Welz, et al.). Our NYPD victim may be a flesh-and-blood actor/spook and not a CGI animated sim invented from whole cloth, but I very much doubt that he was a cop who got invited to participate in a covert operation (presumably because he was completely trustworthy and loyal to the cause) and then murdered on 9-11 (presumably because he couldn't be trusted and there was no way to ensure that he would be loyal to the cause.)

Everybody knows the cops are gun-toting psychopaths. Even as a CIA/military/covert guy you don't want to kill a bunch of NYPD cops and have a bunch of them seeking revenge.

The right lens to view 9-11 is "actors taking part in a simulation", not "ruthless spies murdering their co-conspirators". That's my opinion today, FWIW.

[stevenwarran]

Gentleman, good morning. I've spent a good hour-and-a-half reading over the last three posts [On Edit: I missed Fred's last post.] and I think I can respond on message.

JREF chose to quote Fred when he mentioned these names

Gary Welz,
Mark Humprey,
the Jersey Girls,
Scott Vincent,
Andrew Lowe-Watson,
Ace Baker,
Darren McNulty

These names also seem to be the motivation for the circus tricks performed over at the KSA blog.

In my work I've come up with similar names:

Lynn Spencer,
Margaret Falk,
Eric Gundersen,
Kevin Sutavee,
James Wenneker Von Brunn,
Paul Rieckhoff,
Jim Chesnutt,
Kurt Sonnenfeld,

and many, many others, all of which have one thing in common, in my opinion: they are the secretly planted deep-cover assets of "this covert thing" which is the organizing principle underlying the "holding of power," which was the force which undertook 9/11 (and much else evil, before and after.)

Now, call these people CIA, FBI, NSA, JDL, PTA, whatever. What Fred has done is actionable in revealing these personages (to be honest, I think because he is somehow related to the force. I didn't say the force was all-bad did I?) What I have done is not actionable, because nobody reads my blog anyway, right? Bliss is ignorance, or ignorance is bliss?

These are the minions. These are the foot soldiers. These are the actors and players, both antagonist and protagonist in every drama, If they keep their mouths shut and don't fuck up, they get to live.

If something goes wrong, they die. This is the system dynamic which enforces the life-or-death contract they signed onto.

Somebody like Beverly Eckert, the sub-Jersey girl, widow of Jesuit WTC victim Sean P. Rooney---a woman who had maintained her privilege to sue in a court of law by not taking the victims-compensation money---did not die in an accidental or coincidental death (if she died at all, but that's another argument for another day,) shortly after meeting with the newly elected President Obama. She served up as an example of what happens to those who somehow power-struggle or otherwise break the code of Omerta.

The narrative information that there were firefights on 9/11---people being handcuffed, etc.---is extensive, although it may all be fraudulently planted disinfo too, but I don't think so. In any criminal enterprise the little people try and get what ever they can lying around extra. Maybe Building 7 was entirely an add-on to the original scheme---piggybacked on to an inevitably steamrolling juggernaut. That's my opinion.

I claim credit for being the progenitor of the theory of mock death---but then again, nobody reads my blog, so what good did it do? It was during a brief fortnight window when I was a member of JREF. I could hear the note of stunned disbelief in their retorts. All you have to do is bring evil to the light and its power immediately dissipates. Apokatastasis in action, the deliciously queer and delightfully Jewish Mr. Allen Ginsberg would say.

The academic---the mechanistic---question of whether the tribe of 3000 were vicsim or mock deaths, or (in some much smaller fraction) true lives snuffed out by true death, that day, there, is of some interest. As we arrive closer to this thing we call "truth," we're likely to set in motion the "100th-monkey syndrome": The sudden realization on far distant isles, that, hey, washing the sand off our sweet potatoes makes them taste better! Who ever thought that up?!

If the entire victim record has been dumbed down to such a fuzzy 8KB-image level that it so mesmerizes Simon and hoi; if the written narrative is so badly done as to be patently obvious once you take a look at it----then doesn't that suggest it was done by design intent? By allowing for no contrast or highlight, couldn't the real be mixed in with the unreal more easily? What is the logic behind a 100-percent victim simulation? Perhaps it's true. Maybe we were meant to arrive at this point now.

But let's not forget, my dear Romans, that this was an event in the heart of a great city in a free society on an average morning of a normal day. What if this was the day I chose to go down to Century 21---my only business ever downtown there? What if I was feeling particularly heroic, and disobeyed instructions and authorities either shrugged their shoulders or double popped me in the back of the head?

I disagree strongly with Simon and hoi's thesis that anywhere near 90-100 percent of the victim record is synthetically constructed. I have come up with two names so far: Vincent Danz and Glen Pettit. If these working-class men could be inveigled to do such a dastardly act as cause their families such untold suffering by cooperating with an authoritarian scheme that demanded they disappear from their family's lives in exchange for 40 pieces of silver, than my heart goes out to them. They must all be in extreme pain and sorrow. Their forgiveness will come after a long and painful road to recovery with their families and with society.

There is a strong cost-benefit analysis to support a high vicsim percentage. But the vast army of living dead; those dead people walking; of beholden trolls eking out an existence; of faux-personages blanched of all color, of suffocating subterranean hidden assets, would support the logistics of either the vicsim or mock death theory. I'd love to have them come out into the light and play. I'm feeling frisky and kittenish all at once.

[idschmyd]

S and H's Vicsim breakthrough would anwer why the BBC broadcast a seemingly out-of-character report of 9/11 suspects turning up alive (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm). Same as the 'hard hitting' questions about NORAD stand-downs, terrorist types learning to fly, possible binned ATC tapes etc: backup goatstoopings. The pics of (former) suspects are no better than the CNN memorial pics.