9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

The notion of 'thousands of victims' was crucial to generate universal public outrage. However, having 3000 angry families breathing down their necks was never part of the perps' demented plan. Our ongoing analyses and investigations suggest that NO one died on 9/11.
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Re: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

Unread post by hoi.polloi » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:39 am

I think this is for "plausible deniability". It isn't very smart of the perps but it perfectly fits within their pattern of sporadic, vaguely intelligent decisions. They can claim — even if nobody would make the challenge — that the pictures were modified by the "somebody" to remove people rather than the other way around. First to blame: heretofore unidentified personnel of some stage in the process — Funny Garbage media site? CNN? Deceptive but photoshopped skilled family? None of it makes sense but they don't expect it to come up.

Always cowardly hiding behind excuses. Note how they behave. Setting up these excuses on purpose. Like the 'media professionals' credited with the completely unrealistic video. 'It wasn't us,' they will repeat and repeat. Must be in their training manual.

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Unread post by simonshack » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:14 pm

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"ARE THESE PEOPLE FOR REAL?"
A new photo review for those in '9/11 hoax denial'



Many thanks go to our fresh new member "Critical Mass" for reviving our 9/11 vicsim research. I have now compiled 43 examples of blatant & undeniably doctored images of purported 9/11 victims CURRENTLY FEATURED on the Official 9/11 National Memorial & Museum's website.

As longtime Cluesforum members will know, the folks running that website have been playing monkey tricks on us ever since 2009 (as Hoi and I released the 80-page "Vicsim Report") - and are evidently closely monitoring - and 'tuning' their website accordingly to - our Cluesforum research efforts. And yes, we can prove (with documented proof) that this isn't just some sort of pretentious, self-important whim / or self-induced confirmation bias of ours. I will explain later on why I wrote "CURRENTLY FEATURED" in all caps - as there is, in fact, a lot more to be said about the below 43 examples. But for now, let's just take a good look at them - and please understand that all I have done (in the manner of photo-editing) is to crop any images which contained a similar-looking pose of any given "9/11 victim", to match the framing / picture area of their official portrait featured in the Official 9/11 Memorial alleged "9/11 victims".

To be sure, the below images are all currently viewable on the Official website of the 9/11 National Memorial & Museum at "Ground Zero" :

I call them "The Screamers"...


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(Please diffuse the above image compilation as far & wide as you possibly can!)


The thing is, some of you will say...

"Well, this proves once and for all that the 9/11 victim roster was a fake, digitally manufactured database."

... while others will say:

"But at least SOME people must have died on 9/11 - it was such a huge catastrophe, therefore SOMEONE must have died!"

Well, at this point, it is all up to you. I think that we (on this forum) have made our part here to unravel the utter hoax that 9/11 was.

It is now 2014 - and as we approach the 13th 'anniversary' of 9/11, still very few people are ready to consider that, perhaps - but most likely - no one died on 9/11. Ever since 2009 (as Hoi and I released the 80-page "Vicsim Report") we have both been called 'crazy' - on countless occasions - for even suggesting such a thing. As time goes by though, we are more and more satisfied that we have been right all along. All along, we have been - and predictably so - attacked with the ridiculous accusation that we are "trying to diminish / play down the criminal nature of 9/11 - and to get the utterly insane masterminds of this monstrous hoax off the hook". Well, what can I say ... this is just not the case: all we do, as the patient and methodical investigators that we are, is to apply sound logic and (silent / soundless) hard work in our quest for unraveling the true mechanisms and modus operandi of what I call the "Nutwork" (the nutty network of old farts who currently 'rule' this planet).

Are we 'beating a dead horse'? Well, I honestly don't think so : most people cannot even start to fathom that no one was killed on 9/11. Here's a complete list of links to the above images CURRENTLY FEATURED on the Official 9/11 National Museum & Memorial website. Please DO spend a few minutes verifying for yourself that the above BLATANT photoshop jobs ( I will henceforth call them "The Screamers") are actually displayed in 'public view' on the Official 9/11 Memorial website. Better still, save all of those web pages RIGHT NOW to your own hard disk - as they may very well disappear tomorrow (more of this later) :

Howard Kestenbaum
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =975441520 (PNR)

James Maounis
[st]http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =541539223[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =713483920

Gilbert Franco Granados
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 4382686490 (PNR)

Daniel James Shea
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 6131393390 (PNR)

Kenneth A. Simon
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 9576481445 (PNR)

Edward Joseph Mardovich
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =126145860 (PNR)

David J. Grimner
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 1042487107 (PNR)

Patrick McGuire
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 2082710079 (PNR)

Michelle Scarpitta
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 7258239234 (PNR)

Lesley Ann Thomas
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... t=23961194[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =157572495 (PNR)

Weibin Wang
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =801592558 (PNR)

Alison M. Wildman
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =957507167

Marianne Simone
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 7680552364

Brooke Jackman
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =482325889

James E. Cove
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 6643749134[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =157572495 (PNR)

Daniel T. Afflitto
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 9209710314[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 9209710314 (PNR)

Rosa J. Gonzalez
[st]http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =715905868[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 9936073626 (PNR)

Candace L.Williams
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 5128999438 (PNR)

Matthew M. Diaz
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 3369010516 (PNR)

Gerard T. Nevins
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 8838903411 (PNR)

Stuart T. Meltzer
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 3351617387 (PNR)

Keith E. Coleman
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 5340145029[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =207975464 (PNR)

Charles W. Garbarini
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 5545589420 (PNR)

Kevin Cleary
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 8607909560[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 2076256452 (PNR)

Jason De Fazio
[st]http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 8154680547[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 2076256452 (PNR)

William J. Erwin
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =732155760 (PNR)

Douglas B. Gardner
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 4073294299 (PNR)

Jimmie I. Holley
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 8546506207 (PNR)

John Henwood
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 5906529417 (PNR)

Christopher E. Allingham
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 8120829517[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 9493466076

Marco Alberto Motroni
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 3626220183 (PNR)

Joel Miller
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 1406915242 (PNR)

Sean Booker
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... =979983418[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =979983418 (PNR)

Richard Hansell Stewart
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 3209292618 (PNR)

Andrea Lyn Haberman
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 3550320200 (PNR)

Susan Leigh Blair
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 6974089391[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 4902262745 (PNR)

Felicia Hamilton
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =906377435

Frederick J. Ill, jr
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 2316633564 (PNR)

Ann N. Nelson
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 5117883100 (PNR)

Michael A. Tamuccio
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 9558245334[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 7652546443 (PNR)

Alvin Bergsohn
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 8577930116 (PNR)

Jean Marie Collin
[st]http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... =969035295[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =969035295 (PNR)

Alexander Robbins Steinman
[st]http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 9741067695[/st]
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 2276827733 (PNR)*




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UPDATE - MARCH 25, 2015: The Voices Memorial FAMILY TRIBUTES SECTION (featuring all "9/11 victims family photo albums") was "down for maintenance" for a couple of weeks in March this year. When it returned online, a large number of "victim photos" (which had been displayed on the Voices Memorial for 10+ years) had simply been removed.

The "(PNR)" added to the above links is to signify "Pictures Now Removed" - and refers to those pages which have been pruned of all the previously displayed, numerous "family album photos" - leaving only one / single main portrait of any given "9/11 victim".

More about this "March pruning" here: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2394798#p2394798

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Re: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

Unread post by hoi.polloi » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:18 am

LOL @ Jason De non-Boni facio Fazio. As it happens, Bonifazio is from good deeds or do-gooder or possibly even well fated because of their do-gooding. If you simplify this to "the Doer" or its implications like "fate", or its vague pseduo-homonym "face", you end up with Jason the doer, with subliminal reminders that he is a face with a fate.

"Jason" certainly did do; he done did a lot. He was a face fated for one purpose only, it seems, and that was to sit around in 2 dimensions and do!

Do what? Be a face! A happy face representing a sad fate.

Sorry if this is too much word play for a common name, but it is too amusing and easy to make fun of such an obviously fake faux-tograph.

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Re: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

Unread post by Critical Mass » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:36 pm

'Screamers'... I like it.

Michael Uliano and his stupid stripy landrover thing...
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Michael Uliano & his Son in same said stupid stripy landrover thing...
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( :o !!!)

Oh & just to carry on the recent theme... here's Uliano with Santa ;)

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Uliano's angled cut column memorial...
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Oh and in case any of you doubt the existence of this man we have his seashell collection...
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Re: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

Unread post by Farcevalue » Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:36 pm

simonshack wrote:*


"ARE THESE PEOPLE FOR REAL?"
A new photo review for those in '9/11 hoax denial'



.... Please DO spend a few minutes verifying for yourself that the above BLATANT photoshop jobs ( I will henceforth call them "The Screamers") are actually displayed in 'public view' on the Official 9/11 Memorial website. Better still, save all of those web pages RIGHT NOW to your own hard disk - as they may very well disappear tomorrow (more of this later) :
I guess you have to as much time to monitor these sites as someone on the Pentagon payroll to get your screengrabs before they move into full damage control mode. Voices of September seems to be having a few problems loading all the pages listed above. Quel dommage.

Edit: after reloading the pages directly from Voices of Sept 11 page and tabbing through to the photos, the links seem to be working again. Curious.

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Unread post by Critical Mass » Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:55 pm

An interesting one...

Charles Edward "Chuck" Jones a wannabe Astronaut who missed his chance to go to space after the Challenger disaster cancelled his flight

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He certainly lacked facial expressions...
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Here are his training pics...

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Oh & here he is as a boy feeding a deer...
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Unread post by fbenario » Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:41 am

Critical Mass wrote:Image
And THAT is an absolutely hilarious - and absurd - pic.

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http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... 116.126126

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Unread post by Critical Mass » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:29 am

fbenario wrote: And THAT is an absolutely hilarious - and absurd - pic.
You often get animal based photo's with the vicsims... for instance Janice Ashley.
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Absurd is, of course, a matter of taste...
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Or
I will miss her smiles, and her vibrant personality. She really lit up a room whenever she came in. I will miss her infectous smile, and her witty sense of humor, but most importantly I will miss her friendship. With each day that goes by I miss her more, because she was too young to die. And a blank space remains in my heart because she truly was a friend.
Or
If you could catch a sunbeam in the palm of your hand, you would have the essence of Janice. To her family and friends, she was energy, warmth and light. Like a beacon, her adventurous spirit and joie de vivre drew us to her. She brought sunshine into our lives
"If you could hold a sunbeam in the palm of your hand, you would have the essence of Jan," her mother said. "She was bright, warm and she was a life force."
From the moment of your birth, you brought us joy. You were like a sunbeam, filled with energy, warmth and light
Once I Held a Sunbeam



In loving memory of my daughter, Janice

Once I Held a Sunbeam

Once I held a sunbeam in the palm of my hand
her precious light touched many hearts
in her brief stay
on this land

She was the golden sunlight
shining through the mist
filling our lives with color
too vibrant to resist

She was a glorious sunbeam
dancing on the waves
sparkling with vitality
that even heaven craves

Her joie de vivre and laughter
enchanted one and all
“Come, join me on life’s journey,”
we’d often hear her call

Her love was warm and generous,
as welcome as the sun,
it filled our hearts and souls with joy
. . . too soon, her work was done

My sunbeam’s light shines on through time
and never ending space
from the other side of heaven
into my heart’s embrace

---Carol Ashley
April 7, 2003
Or

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Janice's paper mosaic eagle, "Wings", won a Congressional District art award in 1994.
Janice Marie Ashley, 25, of Rockville Centre, was a research associate at Fred Alger Management. When a plane crashed into the north tower, one of its wings smashed into her 93rd-floor office, killing her and all her colleagues, her mother said
Rich is convinced that when the plane came in, you died instantly because of your location when the plane exploded. Please, dear God, let him be right. I can’t bear the thought of the agony and horror you would have endured otherwise.

Oh and remember...
Risa Lewak said. "There was nothing phony about her."
Anyhow here she is as a dwarf or perhaps kneeling or maybe stood infront of a levitating door? I can't figure it out...
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Unread post by Makkonen » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:02 pm

"vibrant personality" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Unread post by Critical Mass » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:09 pm

Makkonen wrote:"vibrant personality" :lol: :lol: :lol:
How about a "Sun Goddess"?

These are the pics I could find of Michelle Renee Bratton on the web...

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http://longisland.newsday.com/911-anniv ... le-Bratton
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/me ... /3473.html
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.d ... /708110336
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... pi=1066624
http://www.nyjnews.com/911victims/view.php?id=104
http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/js ... sp?ID=3201

Oh and in that last link we have this 'tribute' my Mike Morroni one of her alleged co-workers...
Michelle had an incredible smile and vibrant personality

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Unread post by Critical Mass » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:48 am

To err is to be human... do we not all make mistakes?

It has been claimed by some that the 9/11 vicsims were all 'angels' with 'infectious smiles'... It now pains me to point out that this is not the case!
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Jonathan Neff (?) Cappello or 'Jono' as he was called was a fearless, god loving, puppy rescuing Cantor Fitzgerald graduate trainee* & amateur carpenter who helped the homeless, cared for the blind & disabled, traveled the states in a Winnebago & was described by his friends as a "a Peter Pan" but, and I must stress this, he was certainly no angel.
Earning the nickname "Jono" as a child -- from his parents constantly screaming "Jon, no!" in response to his childhood mischief -- Jon, said the Cappellos, was certainly no angel.
As his girlfriend Dana say's...
Jono was the most amazing person I knew. I know people say that when someone dies they become immortal, they never did any wrong and they were ‘angelic’ all the time. Jono was no saint, but he was my savior.
I know that Jono is also shining down on our troops and doing everything in his power to help protect them. He always said that he would without question fight for our country and he always thought New York City was the greatest place in the world.
.

Jono made quite the impression on not only Dana Lama but her Brother (Michael) & Sister Kristin... the three Lama's made a huge number of tributes about poor Jono at the legacy guestbook.

Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here oh and Here

My favorite parts are...
I missed your fundraiser the other weekend b/c I had Gernelle's wedding. I'm so happy for her and the twins, you would really like her husband. The twins asked me for a JONO bracelet the other day. It breaks my heart that they didn't get to spend more time with you.
...Dana
and
September 11, 2008
Dear Jono,

It has been a long time since we had the chance to talk but I wanted you to know that I still think of you every day. Words cannot express the gratitude I have for knowing you even for the short amount of time that I did. I like to believe that everyone who got the chance to know you became a better person for it and I think that is the case with me. Every time I am faced with a difficult decision I look down at the bracelet I wear with your name on it and I think what would Jono do in this situation. Whenever I lose hope or just need some extra luck I look at the bracelet as well...I wear it everyday and it comes everywhere with me. I am upset it has been 7 years since I last saw you but I know that you are looking out for me and both of our families so thank you. You will always be someone I look up to.
~ Michael Lama,
I don't know what a JONO bracelet looks like but here is a JONO baby top...
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...and an armless baby...
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As for the infectious smile? Jono had instead, according to his teacher (whom I can find no information about), "infectious energy".





* And I think we can all agree with Cantor Fitzgerald's position of "trainee's don't count"

PS
I might link this thread to poor April here...
Like that technicolor scene from "The Wizard of Oz". Except none of us are Dorothy and nobody gets to go back home to Kansas. This is our reality now. The post 9/11 world is an oddly vulnerable place.

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Unread post by simonshack » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:29 pm

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This is just a little message to those readers who wish to diffuse our 9/11 Vicsim research on their own websites and blogs.

As I have always done - and made very clear - I warmly encourage anyone to do so : keep spreading this information far and wide!

However, there are two things I'd like to kindly ask you to observe when doing so (the 2nd being far more important than the first) :

1. It would - naturally - be nice that your website or blog mentions where the info comes from - and provides a source link to this forum.

2. If you are to write ANY additional information on the subject, MAKE SURE that it is correct. If you are in doubt about any particular matter related to the 9/11 Vicsims issues, please contact us and we will be glad to assist in getting your facts right. To spread erroneous / plain wrong information is, of course, most detrimental to the credibility of our research.


Here's an example of what we do NOT like to see: http://truthin7minutes.com/september-11 ... escription

On Markus "Allen" Goldstein's "Truth in 7 minutes" blog, he writes (about halfway down that page):

"A recently-launched website called Voices of September featured a searchable database of 9/11 victims. It's the official website of the recently launched 9/11 National Memorial & Museum at Ground Zero in New York City... "

Well, Markus Allen Goldstein (who claims to be a veteran 9/11 expert - and asks people to pay for reading his blog) should know better than that: http://www.VoicesofSeptember11.org (the official 9/11 online Memorial of the 9/11 National Memorial & Museum)is certainly NOT a "recently-launched" website.

That all-important website (in the context of our longstanding Vicsim research) was:

- Created in 2002-08-14 (12 years ago): http://whois.domaintools.com/voicesofseptember11.org

- It was, according to their own "History" page, officially launched 8 years ago - on September 11, 2006:
"Voices of September 11th officially launched the 9/11 Living Memorial on September 11, 2006, the fifth anniversary of 9/11." http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/cont ... ,440102944

- Our Cluesforum Vicsim research (which started around 2009 - 5 years ago) has been relentlessly referencing - and exposing - that shamelessly fraudulent VoicesOfSeptember11 website ever since day one of our patient and methodical efforts to expose the gigantic Vicsim scam. Evidently, Markus Allen Goldstein (who, incidentally, still has me listed as a "controlled opposition agent" on his blog) has never perused our forum in all of these years - and so betrays his utter ignorance of this crucial area of the 9/11 hoax.


Thanks for observing these simple requirements.

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Re: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

Unread post by fakeologist » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:24 am

simonshack wrote:*
1. It would - naturally - be nice that your website or blog mentions where the info comes from - and provides a source link to this forum.
Diffusing your research without attribution to promote a paid product is quite unethical and lousy netiquette. Your fantastic 43 graphic was not even clickable back to its original source as far as I can tell.

My suggestion to you is to embed a watermark or bury a few graphical links into your infographics to at least allow some trace of your hard work.

How any site anywhere can grab any piece of your research and not link back to the most comprehensive 9/11 site on the net is deceptive and wrong. :angry:

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Unread post by Critical Mass » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:59 am

IIRC Marcus once stated that his biggest problem with you Simon is that you keep making great posts "like clockwork" & he found that suspicious. Damned if you do... damned if you don't I suppose.

It's funny that you mentioned a con-artist because I've been digging around another (I know, I know a rather redundant statement here). Allow me to share with you all & perhaps help cluesforum expand its research into the spiritual realm... though, to be honest, with all the 'angels', 'vaporized people' and 'disappearing planes' we're probably at least half way there anyways.

As such I would like to introduce to cluesforum 'Ellie Crystal'

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Ellie is a Psychic, Teacher, Author, Researcher, Lecturer, and Broadcaster who in the 1990's apparently had her own TV show called the 'Satellite Psychic' however she awoke on the morning of 9/11 with a premonition...
Here we are in the annual Virgo Window of transition, when reality shifts each year and life changes. I woke up this morning at 6:00 a.m. with the most unsettled feeling that something disastrous was about to happen not far from where I live in Brooklyn
Ellie saw the second plane hit...
My daughter, Zsia, called to tell me to put on the TV as the Twin Towers had been hit by a plane. I ran to my terrace arriving just in time to see the second plane hit the South Tower at 9:03. I grabbed my camera and took pictures as the towers imploded. It all seemed so surreal as I stood there.
Ellie's neighbor & a bus load of people also saw the second hit...
I met my neighbor, Daniel, who like many others in the days that followed, told me his story. Daniel was on his way to work on a Manhattan bound Express Bus, when the driver received a phone call telling him to return to Bay Ridge. The bus stopped. The passengers looked out of the window and saw the second plane plane hit the South Tower.
Ellie met vicsim family members...
I met several people who lost family members in the terrorist attacks. They are all filled with anger.
... and a doctor friend who helped treat the 6294 injured
I met a doctor who lives in my building who told me he had worked all day yesterday and much of last night, then went home to sleep a few hours and was now on his way back to work again here in Brooklyn. He said the Brooklyn hospitals were not that busy yesterday, but today they would be moving patients from Manhattan to Brooklyn.
Ellie had many visions...
I still do not see a third world war. I know that retaliation will come now - if it has started already.

I still Osama Bin Laden involved - but by no means the brains behind this act of terrorism.

I see a group of white Caucasian males - American and European - of great power - in a game of some kind.

People tell me this is a move toward a One World Order and One World Economy. Perhaps. This is not clear to me. Many psychics see this information blocked. There are so many branches in this timeline it is hard to tell what will happen, yet a still see this as part of a Master Plan that reaches way back in time, over which we have no control.

I don't see any government - nor the military of any government - involved per se, but I do feel that leaders such as Saddam Hussein of Iraq , Kadafy of Libya, and others, were aware and most likely cooperated to some degree. In truth I think our government was also aware. I am told that there was public talk about the attack in London two weeks ago.

I guess none of us in the US could ever envision an invasion on our soil as a reality.
Ellie heard the spirits of the dead & comforted a grieving mother...
I heard the spirits calling out from the other side.

In Macy's, as I waited online, the woman in front of me, turned to me and burst out in tears.

She told me that her daughter, age 23, had died in the attack.

We hugged and everyone on line cried with her.
Ellie had another friend who saw the first plane hit...
One friend said she witnessed the first plane hit Tower One. She lives in Brooklyn Heights and could see it from her home. She said she cried and hasn't stopped crying since.
Ellie communicated with the vicsims...
I communicate with the deceased souls each day. They all know they are not in physical form anymore, but are trying to reach those they left behind. Many of these souls tell me that they never believed in an afterlife or the communication between souls on different planes of existence, but now they understand how things works and wish to be heard. Many souls on the other side are still in shock. As there is no linear time once you live physical reeality, for some of them, this event has just occurred.
I continue to channel information from souls lost on 9/11 to their friends and family who come here as well as other spirits they knew, who just show up, as if a doorway to the other side has opened and spirits ager to talk come here.
Ellie's friend John wrote a moving poem* to Joyce Ann Carpeneto. Ellie channels Joyce for John...
On several occasions I have channeled his friend Joyce - who died on 9/11. John's poem has moved many people in this healing process.

On September 10th, I had an interesting synchronicity with of your columns while at the protest at Ground Zero. I attended the protest rally in support of preserving the footprints where the twin towers stood, down to the bedrock. I was with a friend and we were interviewed by many media outlets. Then a woman named Mary came over to us and we talked with her for a while. Mary's sister was killed in WTC, and she put up a photo of her at the site. It turns out that Mary's sister is Lucy, one of the two strong spirits who visits Ellie.

I was so shocked to see that her sisiter's name was Lucy, yet not surprised by the synchronicities Spirit brings. I smiled knowingly, that Lucy and Joyce brought Mary to us. They are both strong and very present spirits, who are looking out for and guiding us. Ellie had mentioned Lucy and Joyce earlier this week on Ellie's column in reference to an email Ellie received from a woman named Joyce, who has a daughter, Shanti in spirit. Everything is connected in the web.
Ellie has seen tens of thousands of vicsim family members...
I would estimate that about twenty thousand people came down into Ground Zero to remember their loved ones
Joyce reads for survivors of 9/11...
No film production could capture what was unfolding and do it justice. You had to be there ... With today's technologies people would have been taking photos and videos to memorialize the moment, but that was 2001.

At the angle of our office to the Twin Towers, we didn't see either plane hit, but the building shook, our chairs rolling back and forth across the floor as we grabbed our personal belongings and ran. I guided everyone to take the stairs... people trying not to panic as fear prevailed. Once it has you in its grip, it's hard to let go and this felt big. We ran down the stairs and into the street.
Anybody who wants to know more about these spiritual messages can buy a book.
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*Here's the poem... more sodding angels. Interestingly Joyce does have some backstory which a diligent researcher might be able to chase up.

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Re: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

Unread post by Makkonen » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:14 pm

Critical Mass wrote:Interestingly Joyce does have some backstory which a diligent researcher might be able to chase up.
Joyce's education included

• computer typesetting & design, electronic photo imaging, advanced photoshop 1994-1996

which does read like a lame inside joke.

A blogger named "The Mighty Quinn" / "The Omnipotent Q" ( :puke: ) ('real name', whether he exists or not, John Brian Quinn) claims to have known Joyce personally. Curiously, the blog seems to have an awful lot of 9/11 (and other psy-op) propaganda for a mainly baseball-based blog.

The blog's bio says:
I work as a background actor in movies and TV here in New York City, and I am also a Trivia host.
There is an unintentionally hilarious element to the two latest "anniversary" posts. From 2012, http://quinnmedia.blogspot.com/2012/09/ ... b-gov.html:
Tuesday was another emotional day for me, as I was at the 9/11 Memorial with my dear friend Deborah. We've been at the site for all 11 remembrances, and I was pleased that no politicians spoke, as it was just the victims' loved ones reading the names. As it should be.

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Yesterday I discovered that a Reuters photographer took a photo of me at the site holding a picture of my late friend Joyce. It was another special day, and I was very proud to be there to honor the 9/11 victims. I'll be there every September 11th for the rest of my life.
But from 2013, the anniversary post's title "No Other Place In The World I Could Be Today" becomes guffaw-inducing when the included pic is just a variant of the previous year's:

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

"I'll never ever forget Joyce and 9/11, and I'll never ever miss a visit to the annual thingamajig, but eh, fuck it, here's a photo from last year."

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