The probability of simulated model entities in TV & adverts

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by simonshack » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:25 am

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Here's a rather funny piece published at - none other than - Business Insider.com :
"One somewhat aggravating element of the Edward Snowden story is the fact that there has been basically only one photo of the man who is either a leaker or a whistleblower depending on your opinion of his actions. Luckily, The Guardian has released a new video of Snowden, and he makes more than one single expression throughout the piece."

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http://www.businessinsider.com/new-edwa ... ots-2013-7
Regarding that brand new Snowden "German interview video" posted by Lux, we must wonder whether Snowden has psychic powers - you know, such as making chairs move around a room and such things - just to spook us out! At first glance however, during this seemingly continuous interview, the chairs behind Snowden appear to remain in the same place - from start to finish. Let's just check out firstly if this is true (please note the green and yellow dots I have placed on two particular spots of the scenery) :

Here we see the chairs at the beginning of the interview:
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And here we see them at the end of the interview - the chairs appear unmoved / untouched.
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Now, take a good look at the cameramen in the room - (the guy at left even has a nice little dolly to play around with - for cinematic effect, no doubt...) and imagine which one of them (if any) could possibly capture a shot of Snowden's right ear ALIGNING VERTICALLY with both the green and the yellow dot - such as we see here:
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Oh well, perhaps the above shot was captured by the cameraman at right?

If so, does it make sense that the lefthand and righthand cameras show the objects to the right (lampshade/globe/and black pyramid) at almost identical angles - in relation to Snowden and his own chair in the foreground?
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...reminds me somewhat of the hilarious "Poltergeist-chair" at the Breivik trial in Oslo... :P
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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by MrSinclair » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:45 am

He's a bit like vinyl trying to pass for leather. You could be fooled if you don't look closely but not at all if you scrutinize it. He really does have that Max Headroom kind of quality as BrianV pointed out.

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by bostonterrierowner » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:05 pm

I was thinking about the motives behind all this "Snowden" whistleblowing and after watching parts of ARD "interview" I can share some comments.

1. First of all it was obviously produced in a studio. Furniture, walls etc. in the room look rendered to me. I am not sure if Snowden is a cartoon or an actor it's of secondary importance anyways.

2. We have a classic manipulation at play here meaning "good government-bad private corporations". Snowden keeps repeating it like a mantra. The same mechanism is applied to the economy with "evil FED, good government" nonsense. We are conditioned to believe that the system can be healed by replacing some people or implementing new laws while in reality there is a concerted action of vested oligarchies fucking us, little people mercilessly be it via private of state owned entities/organizations. This way we will always be trapped in a Gattopardo like vicious circle without any significant change to the better.

3. Snowden is too good to be true , the way he talks , chooses his words is just excellent. This character is a 21st century equivalent of Joan of Arc , typical myth creation to drug the masses. as easy to love as to hate.

4. Why did they choose to let us know that there is no privacy anymore? Is it to make us focus on wiretapping and google engine spying when in fact the new technologies are developed, way more sophisticated and sinister or just to make us think that PTB are more powerful than it really is the case?

5. Snowden's personal features like devotion to public purpose, heroism, willingness to sacrifice his life, superb intelligence, physical fitness etc. again condition us to associate an anonymous public servant's image with him. Mechanism at play: Government, Congress, CIA, NSA might be corrupt but in the same time they are full of guys like Snowden so keep the faith and obey :)

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by lux » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:10 pm

Excellent observations, bto.
bostonterrierowner wrote: 4. Why did they choose to let us know that there is no privacy anymore? Is it to make us focus on wiretapping and google engine spying when in fact the new technologies are developed, way more sophisticated and sinister or just to make us think that PTB are more powerful than it really is the case?
I think it's all a sly, backhanded way of telling the public that "Big Brother is watching" so we better think twice about doing or saying anything that is anti-establishment. It is simply a defensive tactic to help stem the rising tide of anti-establishment discussions filling the internet. They simply want people who are beginning to see what is going on to shut the fuck up but they don't want that message to come directly from an official source because that would upset the myth of the “Free World” that we are supposed to be living in. So, they created this soft spoken hero to explain it to them in a way that doesn't reveal anything important about how the world really works.

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by simonshack » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:17 pm

bostonterrierowner wrote:
4. Why did they choose to let us know that there is no privacy anymore? Is it to make us focus on wiretapping and google engine spying when in fact the new technologies are developed, way more sophisticated and sinister or just to make us think that PTB are more powerful than it really is the case?
Dear BTO,

I would personally go with your latter hypothesis (highlighted in red). I call it 'FEARPORN'.

"Haha! We can now listen in to your every whisper, track your every move - and you can't even fling a kiss to your wife without our systems filing a record of it! Haha! "

"same" as:

"Haha! We now have this H-bomb, 111 times more powerful than those toys we dropped on Japan - and can vaporize your entire city/county/nation at the push of a button! Haha!"

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by bostonterrierowner » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:29 pm

lux wrote:Excellent observations, bto.
bostonterrierowner wrote: 4. Why did they choose to let us know that there is no privacy anymore? Is it to make us focus on wiretapping and google engine spying when in fact the new technologies are developed, way more sophisticated and sinister or just to make us think that PTB are more powerful than it really is the case?
I think it's all a sly, backhanded way of telling the public that "Big Brother is watching" so we better think twice about doing or saying anything that is anti-establishment. It is simply a defensive tactic to help stem the rising tide of anti-establishment discussions filling the internet. They simply want people who are beginning to see what is going on to shut the fuck up but they don't want that message to come directly from an official source because that would upset the myth of the “Free World” that we are supposed to be living in. So, they created this soft spoken hero to explain it to them in a way that doesn't reveal anything important about how the world really works.
Thx Lux ,

I think you are spot on the money with your comment. Question is if it's only fear mongering as Simon thinks or one they will start the real crack down.

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by simonshack » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:37 pm

bostonterrierowner wrote: I think you are spot on the money with your comment. Question is if it's only fear mongering as Simon thinks or one they will start the real crack down.
So what would this crack down be, BTO? No no no - I'm not trying to be ironic or dismissive of your predictions. I really DO wonder what kind of "real crack down" these weasels might be having in store.

See, I truly believe that the Nutwork lives in REAL fear - and that the perpetuation of the FAKE fear we live in is their only hope to keep going. I wouldn't be surprised if the Nutwork's master plan/project would be titled "FEARPORN". Every single thing they do has one, very distinctive and undeniable purpose: to instill FEAR and SUBMISSION in the masses. Yeah, I know - this all sounds quite 'old hat' speech, but let's not dismiss long-tested and confirmed paradigms just because they are old - and were revealed "too many years ago".

As for "Edward Snowden" - well - that character is nothing more than the "Max Headroom" of our times.

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by simonshack » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:02 pm

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To be found on the NYDaily News (June 13, 2013) :
NSA leaker Edward Snowden’s online presence reveals silly, nerdy, horny side of computer whiz
"Snowden fancied himself a ladies’ man who liked to roll over to Krispy Kreme doughnuts after sex, long before he gave up
everything to release top-secret information on US phone records surveillance."

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... e-1.137127

Nope - what you see above is NOT a silly internet hoax - it was apparently published in the NY DailyNews.
Fascinating - isn't it?

To those who may not understand what all this is about - I will spell it out in as few words as i possibly can (for those with short attention span):

The "EDWARD SNOWDEN" character is just another farce thrown at us - the public - to make us believe that we live in a free society - and that the mainstream media is willing to promote those who denounce the flaws of this world. "Wikileaks", "Edward Snowden" and all that crap is nothing but lame Nutwork propaganda. I know, most Cluesforum readers will be fully aware of this - but we now really need to start talking in simple terms in order to relay more effectively the fundamental problems that our beloved planet has to overcome. Do you really think it is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out exactly (names/ surnames) who is behind all of this mega-comedy?

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by bostonterrierowner » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:31 pm

simonshack wrote:
So what would this crack down be, BTO?
Simon,

Maybe I used the wrong expression, what I meant is voting into existence various laws "protecting" "victims" and their "families" something resembling anti hate speech or holocaust denial legislation. I can easily imagine authorities prosecuting somebody on the basis of spreading lies about terrorist attacks and hurting people's feelings or disturbing grieving families . It doesn't even have to be enforced through the penal code , financial fines imposed through civil courts will do just fine.

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by simonshack » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:41 pm

bostonterrierowner wrote: Simon,

Maybe I used the wrong expression, what I meant is voting into existence various laws "protecting" "victims" and their "families" something resembling anti hate speech or holocaust denial legislation.
Oh, ok - BTO, got it.

Yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if laws were implemented in the US and abroad, basically stipulating that ...

"YOU CANNOT QUESTION THE DEATH OF 3000 PERSONS ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001"

Lol- I wouldn't be surprised, no. <_<


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Btw - do you know what the very very latest official death toll of 9/11 is? As advertised by the official 9/11 National Museum and Memorial?

It is 2983.

Sorry folks, but that's either 22 (2+9+8+3=22) - or twice 11 (2+9) AND (8+3).

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by simonshack » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:24 am

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WHO'S THAT GIRL ?

So who is this girl - according to the NYDailyNews?

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"Lindsay Mills, 28, is the girlfriend NSA leaker Edward Snowden left behind."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1371271
Ah yes, ok. :rolleyes: So this Heather Lindsay Mills was dumped by Mr Ice-cold Snowden (our favorite whistleblowing hero) so that he could dedicate all of his time to fuck with the minds of the entire Western World. Edward - you're such a rabbit, ain't you? Hey, have you got some sort of e-mail i can contact you on, Edward? See - you and I are apparently in the very same whistleblowing business! Why don't you drop me a line , Eddie? My skype username is " simon.shack ". Just call me anytime you like, Eddie!


Now, this is another purported portrait of Snowden in his early years - published by the NYDaily News. Right above the picture, we can read:

“After the honeymoon phase, things do slack off sometimes, but the more sex you have, the longer you should last and the better you should be for one another."

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Now, honestly speaking : Do you, dear Cluesforum reader, think that "Edward Snowden" is a real person - or some fantasy concocted by the "intelligence" agencies and diffused by the media? Whatever you think - please, OH PLEASE, spend at least five minutes thinking about it - even if you think that it doesn't matter to you...

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by sunshine05 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:46 am

Simon - great work on the background/camera angle analysis and great discussion of the Snowden character from everyone else. It's pretty fascinating what they are able to accomplish with the technology (digital cartoon androids (DCA's) I believe is the term Simon came up with) that most will never question. I believe he/it is a cartoon character and have thought that all along. I also wonder about some of the others from recent events - Robbie Parker, maybe?

I believe it's fear mongering and maybe somewhat a social experiment to measure people's responses to the spying and whistle blower entity. Honestly most don't seem alarmed at what Snowden has reported. They believe the spying keeps us safe so no problem.

I think they want us to know/think they are watching our every move and the Snowden character also was used to draw attention to the giant multi-billion dollar NSA site in Utah, but I actually am skeptical that it even exists at all. I don't trust anything in Google maps anymore, not that it even appears there yet.

edit: I just checked and it appears there is a building there now on a new 2014 map in Google. The name of the town where the complex is located - "Bluff"-dale.

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by lux » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:49 am

The 30 minute German interview of "Snowden" that I posted and in which Simon found the camera angle anomalies has now been removed from YouTube. (And certain critics of our forum claim that exposing media fakery has no effect on the perps -- ha ha)

I could find only this much shorter (3:30) excerpt:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDHrI4CtAdw

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Re: The probability of simulated model entities in adverts

Unread post by simonshack » Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:03 am

lux wrote:The 30 minute German interview of "Snowden" that I posted and in which Simon found the camera angle anomalies has now been removed from YouTube. (And certain critics of our forum claim that exposing media fakery has no effect on the perps -- ha ha)
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Fantastic.

Well - the Snowed-in saga gets sillier by the day. Here's the Guardian's latest asinine story:

"Revealed: the day Guardian destroyed Snowden hard drives under watchful eye of GCHQ – video"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/ ... ment-video

Don't know why, but I used to thing that the British public was slightly sharper than the American public. Evidently, I was wrong. ^_^

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Unread post by dblitz » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:26 am

I also posted that link with a comment in the chatbox thread. May as well say it here as well:

I used to work as a computer technician and it makes me laugh to see the destruction of components that don't even store data.

Even when they are going at the hard drives themselves, they are not even dismantling the drives to get at the actual parts that memory is written on, just scratching the metal casing a bit.

If someone was trying to hide something by doing that to a hard drive I would still plug it in and give it a spin if I found it, the damage only looks superficial.

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