Was J.F.K. murdered?

[ogrady]

Thanks for the link to JFK murder solved site. Very interesting.

For those who haven't seen it, the banned History Channel Doc The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Guilty Men Part 9 is very interesting. This segment implicated Johnson as part of the conspiracy and can be viewed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWUcyjA ... re=related

I'm an assassination buff.

A stabilized version of the questionable Zapruder film can be seen at:

http://www.assassinationscience.com/

Assassination Science

for what its worth.

[andy]

The "leaked" Zapruder film made its American television debut on a supposedly "live" edition of ABC-TV's "Good Night America," hosted by a young and feisty investigative reporter whom truth-seekers of the 1970s thought was a "good guy" -- GERALDO RIVERA!

Popular (disinformation) lore of the period had it that poor Geraldo lost his position with ABC for airing the Zapruder film without clearing it first with the suits in the front office. He subsequently did an "independent" syndicated investigative series (for Chicago Tribune Corp.!) called "Now It Can Be Told" which promised much... but pulled its punches suspiciously too often.

In light of all the Foxy self-disclosure, of being embedded with the Dark Side, that Rivera has engaged in in more recent years, that whole charade of "leaking" Abe's much tampered-with home movie can now be viewed as just another SIM. :P

Andy

[SimonJCP]

This is a favorite subject of mine -- at this point in time, it is my belief that President Kennedy was shot dead because he betrayed the Vatican in his decision to end the Papal crusade in Vietnam. I could be wrong -- I wouldn't be surprised if it was all fake -- No Planes was enough of a shocker. Nothing surprises me anymore.

On the point of Lee Oswald, I should add that witnesses saw Lee Oswald, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw together in the small town of Clinton, Louisiana:
http://www.jfk-online.com/manchester.html
http://www.jfk-online.com/palmer.html
http://www.jfk-online.com/collins.html
http://www.jfk-online.com/dunn.html
http://www.jfk-online.com/dedon.html
http://www.jfk-online.com/kemp.html

David Ferrie -- A highly-paid CIA contract pilot with a high-level security clearance and close ties to the radical-right/anti-communist/Cuban-exile crowd. He was Jesuit-trained and was a Catholic priest.

Clay Shaw -- A CIA operative and Director of the International Trade Mart of New Orleans. He was a Knight of Malta.

These two had close ties to one another. These two both had close ties to Oswald. These two both had close ties to the CIA. These two both had close ties to the Vatican. These two both had close ties to the assassination. These two were both murdered.

[SimonJCP]

The Paines



Left: Ruth Paine
Right: Michael Paine

Connections To The Assassination

The Paines were close friends of the Oswalds. When the Oswalds moved to New Orleans, Marina Oswald was driven there by Ruth Paine. When the Oswalds moved to Dallas, Ruth Paine again drove Marina there. She made them at home.

She told Oswald about the job at the Book Depository and obtained an interview for him. Marina Oswald and the Oswald child stayed with Ruth Paine while Oswald inexplicably rented many small rooms. Paine provided a garage for Oswald's possessions. The fake "Rifle-In-Backyard" photograph was found in Ruth Paine's garage. Most of the evidence against Oswald was found with the Paines.

Connections To Military/Intelligence

Ruth Paine's husband, Michael Paine, was an engineering designer. His step-father was the founder of Bell Helicopter, a huge defense contractor that provided the military helicopters used in Vietnam.He did highly classified work for Bell Helicopter The UH-1, a helicopter manufactured by Bell Helicopter, became the symbol of US involvement in Vietnam. It is a fact that Bell Helicopter was a key company involved in the Vietnam War and made massive profits from the war. At Bell, Paine worked under General Walter Dornberger, a Nazi official who had been brought into the US under the Paperclip program. Paine's classified work at Bell Helicopter is DOD business with clearances/security/etc. -- why was a defector and his wife (the niece of a Russian Intelligence colonel) allowed to be so close to the Paines?

Michael Paine's cousin, Thomas Dudley Cabot, was the former President of United Fruit, which has close ties to the CIA. Cabot offered equipment for and assisted in the CIA's Bay Of Pigs invasion. Michael Paine's other cousin, Alexander Cochrane Forbes, was a director of United Fruit and a trustee of Cabot, Cabot, and Forbes, a real estate company with close ties to the defense industry.

Michael Paine's brother worked for the Agency of International Development in Washington DC. The Agency of International Development provides cover for the CIA. It is involved in many CIA front activities.

Ruth Paine's father was a CIA operative/asset at the Agency for International Development. He traveled throughout Latin America and filed reports that went to the CIA. He was officially employed by USAID.

Ruth Paine's mother was a lifelong friend of Mary Bancroft, a WWII spy and the mistress of Allen Dulles, the first director of the CIA, the black-ops "kingpin" who oversaw countless coups, "dirty tricks" operations, and even both Paperclip & MKULTRA. Dulles was fired by Kennedy for being behind the Bay Of Pigs coup. He would control the Warren Commission. He questioned the Paines and carefully avoided any touchy, revealing questions.

Ruth Paine's sister, as declassified documents now show, worked for the CIA.

When New Orleans DA Jim Garrison tried to investigate the income tax returns of the Paines, he was told that they had been classified as secret on the grounds of national security.

What was their role?

Based on their closeness to the Oswalds and to US Military/Intelligence, and how they helped set so much of the stage, I am forced to conclude that the Paines were agents whose assignment was to "handle" Oswald.

[SimonJCP]

ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER

This is the guy who was credited with filming the video that depicts the assassination.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _55352214/

-Abraham Zapruder and George de Mohrenschildt were both part of the Dallas Council on World Affairs, a CIA front that was founded by Neil Mallon (George H.W Bush's mentor).

-Zapruder's business partner married George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA operative who was Oswald's "best friend" (handler) had close ties to George H.W Bush and who was "suicided".

-Zapruder was friends with the mother of LBJ's personal secretary, and who was with him on AF1 after Kennedy was killed. Her family went to Lynda Johnson's wedding to Chuck Robb.

-Zapruder was a member of The Crusade For A Free Europe, which was a CIA front.

-Zapruder was a 33rd Degree Freemason.

-Two of the groups that Zapruder belonged to were also groups that Clint Murchison, D.H. Byrd, George Bush, Sarah Hughes, H.L. Hunt, Neil Mallon, and other suspects.

-Zapruder's office was in the Dal-Tex Building, which most researchers believe was one of the buildings used by the hit team to fire shots at Kennedy. Dal-Tex had connections to Zionists.

-Before the Zapruder Arbitration Board, Zapruder's family was represented by Robert Bennett, a former CIA official and Bill Clinton's lawyer.

[SimonJCP]

AUTOPSY PHOTOGRAPHS

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Very sloppy, guys, very sloppy.

Not to mention the fact that the on-the-scene doctors remember a huge blasted-out exit wound in the back of the President's head.

Professional Eyewitness Remembers Blasted-Out Exit Hole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPJVzvlP5o

Several Kennedy Autopsy Photographs Were Faked While Many Others Were Hidden.
http://www.jfkmurder.com/knudsen.html

[SimonJCP]

Lee Harvey Oswald spoke at a Jesuit study house in Alabama during the summer of 1963. He was invited by his cousin, Eugene Murret -- a Jesuit. The "Murret" side of Oswald's family was staunchly Roman Catholic.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/parnell/ce2649.htm

Here, Oswald spoke about favorably of Russia. Were the Jesuits setting him up? Considering that Oswald was not particularly religious, he seems to be an odd choice as a speaker. Did the Jesuits order Eugene Murret to have Oswald speak favorably of Russian Communism at their fortress in Alabama? This would further establish him as a "leftist nut".

At this point, it has been proven that Oswald was an agent of the ONI, CIA, FBI, and US Customs. All four agencies being created and run by Jesuit agents, I think it's quite clear that Oswald was manipulated by the Jesuit Order and it's intelligence community all his life.

He was also "handled" by:
James Angleton (Knight of Malta, Jesuit agent, CIA Chief, CIA-Mossad liason)
David Ferrie (Jesuit-schooled, Jesuit agent, CIA asset/operative, Marcello Henchman)
Clay Shaw (Knight of Malta, Jesuit agent, CIA officer, Former Trade Mart director)
W. Guy Banister (Freemason, JBS member, Minuteman, FBI/CIA/ONI, Jesuit agent)
The Paines (Had intimate links to the Jesuit Intelligence Community)
George De Mohrenschildt (Tied to the Jesuit Intelligence Community and Jesuit Bush)

Oswald was stationed at Atsugi Air Force Base, a hot-spot for the CIA and the CIA/Military's MKULTRA projects.

[freewayrickyross]

for anyone interested in the zapruder hoax i havaent had time to watch all but what i found interesting is that while doing measurements Costella claims that there are "rain sensors" on all the signs and near fixtures seen on Z-film aswell as moveable washers underneath lamppoles most likely there to debunk, confuse, and discredit anyone trying to take measurements that prove hoax
there are about 6-8 different presenters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lbIZLDB ... re=related

[freewayrickyross]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f3mlbrw ... re=related
interesting video supposed footage of orignal(unaltered version procured from nix`s son) Nix film showing ferrie on knoll

[freewayrickyross]

The Paines Remind me of the Rosenbergs another intelligence couple
but unlike the Paines, they were actually tried and executed for treason.

[Deluminator]

9/11 has taught us a lot about how many levels of conspiracy are created around every major event, in order to control the dialogue.

Therefore, in order to break out of the old JFK theories which may ALL be artificial constructions, let us propose something 9/11-like that might have been going on during the 60's.

The Zapruder film is not only a known fake - it is a proven fake. True, it was released far after people were clamoring for information, but this is an argument for a few different things that may be going on.

1) JFK was murdered and the nature of the murder was disguised by all involved
2) JFK exited the political sphere on purpose and needed a safe way out
or could it be
3) JFK was the most deceptive leader we've had, and he helped - through the Catholic church connections which finally achieved the executive branch - to invoke some of the first major media deceptions in the history of television:
a - his own death
b - the coordination, with the CIA, Air Force and NASA, of the Moon Hoaxes

What is the likelihood that the influential Kennedy family has allowed so many of its members to be removed from the "power game" without taking part in popular lying technology as it developed in such high social circles?

Hi Hoi.Polloi
This is what I call a true sceptic. I mean, never ever before I've heard that someone came up with this theorie on JFK, especially 3a).
I like this new perspective, it opens a complete new view on entire history. Cool! Really, really cool!!!

[SimonJCP]

-Intelligence operative W. Guy Banister, who was supervising/handling Oswald in New Orleans, was a Scottish Rite Freemason

-Abraham Zapruder, the CIA/Oswald-linked dress manufacturer who shot the widely known "back-and-to-the-left" video (Now exposed as a fake), was a 33rd Degree Freemason.

-Israeli/Mafia-tied Jack Ruby, who shot Oswald, was a Freemason and received a Masonic grip by one of the police officers who led him into the courtroom for shooting Oswald.

-Lyndon Johnson, who became President as a result of the assassination and who appointed the fraud investigation, was a Freemason.

-Earl Warren, head of the fraud investigation into the assassination, was a high-level Freemason.

-Arlen Specter, author of the Magic Bullet Theory, was a high-level Freemason.

-Richard Russell, Jr., member of the Warren Commission, was a high-level Freemason.

-Gerald Ford, who fictionalized the Warren Report drawings in order to support Specter's theory, was a high-level Freemason.

-Ronald Reagan, who protected assassination witness/suspect Jim Braden from extradition by Jim Garrison, was a Freemason.

-Allen Dulles, who was the CIA director fired by Dulles and who was the true force behind the Warren Commission, was a Freemason. Dulles had connections to many of the suspects and the coups/black-ops that the CIA was/is most notorious for.

-George H.W Bush, who knew Oswald's murdered CIA handler George De Mohrenschildt since 1942, who was in Dallas during the assassination, and who was a high-level supervisor of the Bay of Pigs operation, is a high-level Freemason.

-JFK was shot on 11/22 -- the 11th month. 11+22 = 33 -- the highest official degree of Freemasonry. The time of the shooting was 12:30 PM CST -- 1+2:30 = 3:30 (33). He was shot at 1:30 PM EST -- 1:30 = 13. The UTC time was 18:39 -- 18 is a number of significance to Satanism (18 = 6+6+6) amd 39 is, according to Leo Zagami, the last degree of the Monte Carlo Illuminati system. Kennedy's death was officially announced at 1:33 CST (19:33 UTC).

-Dealey Plaza is the site of the first Masonic temple in Dallas, Texas -- a town that lies along US Highway 77 ("7" is a very Masonic number). Kennedy was shot while going up the pyramid-shaped plaza -- where a Masonic obelisk has now been erected. He was shot right next to the 33rd Degree latitude line.

(More to come)

[SimonJCP]

-The wounds made to Kennedy were similar to the wounds made to Hiram Abif, who, in Masonic literature, was killed by the "three unworthy craftsmen". After the assassination, three "tramps/hoboes" were photographed being led away without handcuffs (!) by suspicious police officers wearing oversized trousers, spooky "communications" earpieces (Used by most intelligence agencies, not used by local police departments), and one of them wearing a KKK patch -- the KKK, of course, was founded and is controlled by Freemasons. The three tramps have been identified as Charles Harrelson, Howard Hunt, and Frank Sturgis. Others have identified members of the trio as Chauncey Holt and Charles Rogers, while others have identified one of the tramps as Fred Crisman.

-The New Orleans CIA/FBI station, which oversaw the intelligence activities of Lee Oswald, Guy Banister, Clay Shaw, David Ferrie -- the whole New Orleans perp team -- was located inside the city's Masonic temple.

-Clay Shaw is reported to have been a Freemason. Because of his close affiliation with New Orleans high society, it is highly likely that this report is correct. Jim Garrison, District Attorney of New Orleans, exposed Clay Shaw as a clandestine operative of the CIA who did both foreign and domestic work for the Agency. Witnesses saw Shaw with Oswald on a number of occasions -- he was seen handing Oswald what appeared to be a "roll of money" in a clandestine setting, he was seen with Oswald, Ferrie, and Banister in the small town of Clinton, Louisiana, he was seen/heard planning the assassination with Ferrie and Oswald in Ferrie's apartment, he was seen with Ruby, Oswald, and Ferrie talking about the assassination, and he was seen with David Ferrie, who he denied knowing at all, by numerous people. Shaw was known, alleged, and/or suspected to use the aliases "Clay Bertrand", "Clyde Bertrum", "Clem Bertrand", "Alton Bernard", and "Victor De Mario". Lawyer Dean Andrews received a call from Shaw immediately after the assassination, using the name "Bertrand", who requested that he fly to Dallas and represent Oswald.

-The Dallas Police Department was intimately involved in the cover-up of the assassination. The Dallas PD was completely under the control of Masonic conservative organizations -- the Masonically founded/controlled Ku Klux Klan (KKK) and the Masonically founded/controlled John Birch Society (JBS). These two Masonic conservative groups were in control of more than Dallas Police, but Dallas Politics too.

-Yitzhak Rabin, a high-level Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) official at the time, was in Dallas that day for some sort of "military tour". Jack Ruby (Freemason) was leading a group of "Israeli reporters" (Who remain, to this day, unidentified) around. The Israeli Government was controlled by David Ben-Gurion, who was engaged in a secret war with Kennedy over Israel's nuclear program. Ben-Gurion was a Freemason.

[SimonJCP]

A lot of research has been done that shows how many events and world politics are part of a simulation -- that would mean that details like dates/times are created by the perpetrators. It's as easy as simply writing it down or typing it out.

That being said, we constantly see the numbers 11, 13, 33, and 7 popping up in these events. Obviously, the people behind this hoax like these numbers -- is it a coincidence that these are Masonic numbers and that many of the people who rule over us and many of the people who are directly connected to these hoaxes/operations Freemasons?

This brings us to the issue of secret societies -- can one function without becoming a vehicle for domination/control/dishonesty? Picture an organization in which some co-workers start a secret-society or a school in which students start a secret society. The secret society inevitably implants a belief of "us-and-them" in the members' minds, and a desire to control/influence things to work in the favor of the covert organization. The "Us-And-Them" mindset that secret-society members have, of course, classifies "them" as all of society around them -- everything other than their club. In a school, this would be the rest of the student body. In an organization, this would be the rest of the co-workers. And an "Us-And-Them" mentality is inherently hostile, and is a one-way road to wanting more control for the "Us" and less for "Them".

This is the way a secret society is inevitably going to be.

[corsarino]

There was in Rome a very important clue: The Permindex Company.

The Pemanent Industrial Exhibition was located in Piazza Marconi Roma EUR.

The Permindex had a logo on the top of his building " World Trade Center".

The Permindex was connected with Clay Shaw and other people from "New Orleans-Dallas Team".

On the Net there is the real story of Permindex; I am confident with this story.