Engineering 'disease'

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Kham on December 4th, 2017, 7:48 am

NEW HEALTH PARADIGM AND KIDNEY FILTRATION

I enter this information here in this thread as consideration for an new health paradigm which is void of manmade ‘diseases’ and instead looks at the human body as a whole integrated system meaning if one part of your body is sick, say as in the ‘cancer’ of some part then your entire body is sick and therefore needs to be cleansed or detoxed before regeneration can take place. As I see it, what Dr. Morse has discovered is the proof that manmade ‘diseases’ are fictional, a concept invented the Rockefeller backed medical industrial complex known as modern medicine; a concept that keeps people sick and maintains their illnesses at great cost to you and even greater profit for them.

Dr. Robert Morse has cracked the code to healing and regeneration. Exciting stuff. Dr. Morse has over 40 years of clinical experience in Florida aiding in the regeneration of tissue of hundreds of thousands of people. Incontrovertible evidence imho. Here is the basic idea of the new health paradigm: If your kidneys are not filtering properly then acids back up and soon you get a stagnant, toxic lymphatic system. Along with your lymph nodes, the lymphatic system is your true immune system. An acidic environment attracts parasites, is a comfy home for viruses and creates stones of all sorts and irritates and damages your insides. The organs that show signs and symptoms first, after of course the kidneys have stopped filtering properly, are the ones with inherited weaknesses such as heart disease or gallbladder stones. The kidneys are ALWAYS the first to go we just don’t know it because there is little symptomology around the kidneys. The good news is you can heal yourself starting with cleaning your lymph fluid. Begin by eating raw fruit which is alkalizing and soothing to the body then that will help your kidneys heal then your body can finally release all that stored up sewer. In a healthy environment, your lymphatic fluid will have become alkaline through your choice of food and regeneration can take place. Parasites leave, viruses are no longer a threat, and tumors start shrinking. No more ailments, your energy and health returns.

The road back to good health requires a reversing of the damages that were done. Healing is quick but not instantaneous. Just so you can get an idea of time lines, a tumor can be eliminated in less than a year.

If you are interested in learning more, below are some of the better resources I have found.

Dr. Morse youtoob channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/robertmorsend/videos

Dr. Morse Herbal Clinic website
https://www.drmorsesherbalhealthclub.com/pages/clinics

There are about a dozen pdf’s on health issues that you will get access to if you become a member for $10. Dr. Morse’s Clinic became a ‘club’ after government officials kept trying to close him down. Courts kept siding with Dr. Morse because of the successful and numerous case studies over time. One lesson learned by Dr. Morse was to stop using modern industrial medical terms. For example, instead of the word healing, use the word regeneration. Also turn your practice into a private health club for a one-time $10 fee.

Below is the youtoob channel for another great health communicator and practitioner, Mark James Gordon, who has been trained by Dr. Morse. Mark’s videos are more concise and he sums up the new health paradigm in every video. This is a helpful reminder. Also Mark’s discussions concerning spirituality are confined to a few videos unlike Dr. Morse who has definite opinions on God and expresses them in nearly every video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4V9so3bx

Mark James Gordon goes live on youtoob every Wednesday at 6:30pm pacific time at the channel above. He answers ALL your health questions.

Since the key to health is proper kidney filtration, how does one tell if ones kidneys are filtering properly? Pee in a jar. The following website has examples of healthy urine.

https://grapegate.com/resources/urine-sediment/

The cool thing about the new health paradigm is that we get to control our own health and how fast we wish to regenerate. Really depends on how hard one wants to hit the fruit and targeted herbs. It’s that simple.

The new health paradigm community is growing fast and includes education, training seminars and opportunities for fellowship for future health practitioners and people who just want to learn. This is a super positive active community that inspires people to take control of their own lives. Speaking of inspiring, Hilde Larson is such a woman and is the author of

From HELL to Inspired: The Journey From Severe Chronic Illness to Health and Vitality 2016

Know the Truth and Get Healthy: A Step-by-Step Guide to True Health and Vitality 2016

No More Bullshit: Power Up and Grow Free-You Are the Only One You Have Been Waiting For 2017

This is Hilde Larson’s website
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf6K4p ... K4gRdNlezw

Find more amazing people and their websites refer to the related channels section of all the youtoob channels mentioned above. It should also be noted that this large community sometimes refer to themselves as frugivores, people who live on 80% raw fruit. Just like true media fakery, frugivores are not mentioned by main stream media who are silent on the growing frugivore movement. Instead of frugivores you hear the never ending guilt trip for or critique against vegetarianism which has a fraction of the success rate as frugivores. Why? Each cell in your body has the same fuel requirement: fruit sugars. From where do we get fruit sugars? From fruit. Amazingly, fruit sugars do not need digestion, they are ready to be used as fuel for your cells as is, no change needed, no stress on the body or digestive system. Any other food, including meat, grains, dairy, must be altered significantly by the body to become fuel for your cells. What does your body change meat, grains and dairy into so that your cells can use them as fuel? Fruit sugars.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Peter on December 4th, 2017, 9:57 am

Kham Dr Morse is a clown who peddles herbs among other things. 100 years ago there were many more of these con-men until most realized they could make more money from pharmaceuticals – herbalism’s natural successor.

Fruit only or majority fruit diets are also a nonsense. For reasons find the articles about frugivores/fruitarians on this intellectual site produced by ex-vegetarians:
http://www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml

4 million years ago we ate mainly fruit with some meat. 2 million years ago, over a period of time, we dropped down from the trees, became upright hunters, grew big brains, and our diet was mostly meat and milk or fish with some fruit. It has always remained that way until wheat cultivation 10,000 years ago, but even among farming societies meat was the most prized food.


There is a growing realization among some research institutes and academics of the value of longish fasts (and a non sugar low carb diet) as curing many ailments ie relieving the body from the strain of ingestion and assimilation so it has resources for detoxification. It also changes the body from glucose burning to fat burning, the more natural long term metabolism of wild animals and our ancestors, ie the process of ketosis, which itself kills cancer cells by depriving them of sugar (cancer cells hate oxygen but live on sugar).

When animals are ill they simply don’t eat until they are better. This might be a day or sometimes even months. Children (and cancer patients) get the same instinctive reaction not to eat but are forced to. Evolution has given the body mechanisms to heal itself if only it is left alone.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Peter on December 4th, 2017, 11:21 am

I don't know this guy or if his other videos are valid but this one he just posted is, and is relevant to what I was just saying above: (Even more succesful than ketosis has proven to be long fasts).

"Ketosis is the Greatest Hope for Cancer. 2 more successes. Oncologists need to learn it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHq-MyLPwQ
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Peter on December 4th, 2017, 11:26 am

For those wanting more scientific videos on the same subject there are many here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkUl8S ... d6A/videos
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Peter on December 4th, 2017, 11:30 am

Two doctors who run/ran fasting clinics with good introductory talks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU7A9VIDKI0&t=159s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl8Y5jV0hN0
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Flabbergasted on December 4th, 2017, 11:41 am

Kham, Peter, et al.

All the approaches to health expounded in this thread (lymphatic system, fasting, oils, alkaline foods, fruit-only, low-carb/sugar, processed food-free diet, and so forth) have their merits and if I was focused enough on my bodily functions (and patient enough) I might try some of them out, but you all make the mistake of attempting to squeeze human physiology into a single all-controlling box or underlying mechanism. Life (organic and otherwise) is extraordinarily multilayered and multifaceted. So much so that you can all be nearly right while proposing seemingly incompatible paradigms.

Peter » December 4th, 2017, 5:57 am wrote:4 million years ago we ate mainly fruit with some meat. 2 million years ago, over a period of time, we dropped down from the trees, became upright hunters, grew big brains, and our diet was mostly meat and milk or fish with some fruit [...] Evolution has given the body mechanisms to heal itself if only it is left alone.

I would be more impressed with your observations about health if you didn´t use trite transformist mythology like that to support them.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Peter on December 4th, 2017, 12:47 pm

Flabbergasted » December 4th, 2017, 10:41 am wrote:
Peter » December 4th, 2017, 5:57 am wrote:4 million years ago we ate mainly fruit with some meat. 2 million years ago, over a period of time, we dropped down from the trees, became upright hunters, grew big brains, and our diet was mostly meat and milk or fish with some fruit [...] Evolution has given the body mechanisms to heal itself if only it is left alone.

I would be more impressed with your observations about health if you didn´t use trite transformist mythology like that to support them.


Re the evolutionary stuff, it's rough estimates but it's worth stating it when people say we are naturally vegetarians or vegans. (Both of those diets (quasi religions) will however show immense initial improvement because anything is better than the standard American diet.)

Re the forgotten about natural healing, there's a wealth of information about it. Even the ancient Greeks practiced fasting as cure. (Doesn't include trauma - for that you need a hospital and modern science.) See this video I posted above, again below, about drug free healing. The doctor talks slowly but it's well worth watching to the end. You may learn something:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU7A9VIDKI0&t=159s

No "trite transformist mythology", this is simply the body curing itself of many of our modern chronic ailments by rest and not having to expend most of its energy on ingestion and assimilation. It will never catch on though, no drugs or money in it and not easy or quick. But those on this site who are interested should watch the two videos I posted above before getting annoyed by the concept of fasting.

Edit: I suppose what I said may seem new age, hippy, romantic, illogical, feminine to some, but it's not. So just to say in advance that I can't be bothered replying again to knee jerk replies based on ignorance. At least see the link in this post first.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Flabbergasted on December 4th, 2017, 1:10 pm

Peter wrote:No "trite transformist mythology", this is simply the body curing itself of many of our modern chronic ailments by rest [...] those on this site who are interested should watch the two videos I posted above before getting annoyed by the concept of fasting.

I am not criticizing the notion of cure by fasting and I am looking forward to exploring the posted links. It is your rough estimate :rolleyes: of what an imaginary tree-dwelling ancestor of man was eating 2 or 4 million years ago which I believe is best left out of the equation.

But I am derailing ... back on topic!
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby HonestlyNow on December 4th, 2017, 2:03 pm

Peter,
Kham is on the right track. Robert Morse is no clown; he is a genuine soul out to help poeple on their healing journey. He doesn't "peddle" herbs, as if that is all he does. Herbs support certain systems, treating the body as a whole system, not as parts, as the medical doctors are taught to do.

The body is made of 100,000,000,000,000 cells (or who can really count) and two major fluids. The blood is one major fluid, which acts as the "kitchen" to our cells by feeding them. Then there is the lymph fluid, which is three times as large (approximately) as the amount of blood in our bodies. The lymph acts as the "bathroom" to clean up the cellular wastes from throughout our bodies. Nature must have had a reason to make so much lymph in our bodies, like, maybe, it's very important to keep the body clean. . . .Or else . . . we would suffer from uncomfortable bodily states that the medicals like to label disease, and then say that there's nothing that can be done to be rid of those bodily states (once and for all), hence, keep on coming and filling my bank book!

Do you know that the medical doctors are NOT taught about the lymphatic system in their schooling? Do you wonder why that is, when it is the key to the regenerating of our health?

Edit: found spelling error, spell check was not turned on
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Peter on December 4th, 2017, 9:09 pm

I don't know about the lymphatic system. I know it's huge. I know there is official uncertainty and that's probably why it isn't taught as you say. I think the general official view is that it's to do with the immune system, although I don't know that there is a separate system for that, the entire body is into protection and regeneration, let alone a particular system. I agree with you that it's likely to be a garbage disposal system.

I agree with the whole system idea eg pancreatic cancer maybe sourced by a problem distinct from the pancreas, and they should look for a general malaise rather than area specific causes.

Problem with herbalism is how did tribes successfully evolve in parts of the world where there were no such particular herbs? What about other tribes that had them locally but didn't use them, as it's not instinctive to use herbs? Do animals use herbs? I think the only thing that should enter the body (apart from air and water) is nutritious whole food. The body then has it's supplies if it needs to use them to heal itself. Anything else is just a irritant or worse.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Kham on December 5th, 2017, 2:46 am

Peter,

What would you say are the qualifications that need to be satisfied for an entirely new health paradigm to be legitimate?
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby patrix on December 5th, 2017, 12:20 pm

Kham » December 5th, 2017, 2:46 am wrote:Peter,

What would you say are the qualifications that need to be satisfied for an entirely new health paradigm to be legitimate?


Dear Kham,

Allow me to give my input on this:
The field of medicine and nutrition is arguably the one with the highest amounts of hoaxes, disinformation and psyops. One thing we can probably agree on is that much of the official medical science has been turned upside down with malicious intent. And the common denominator of these type of lies are that they are of such scale that they work. Few people can fathom that 3000 people never died on 9/11, that media produce the terror events, that decades of human space presence is fake, or that the purpose of medical science is to make us sick without having medical professionals connecting the dots of cause and effect and having us patients trusting the well-meaning but misinformed doctors.

This we can probably agree on. But then comes the hard part. Just like 9/11 and the space hoax this area is filled with disinformation and discredit-by-association campaigns that are there to keep us suspicious ones away from the truth and to fall into the honeypots that may contain 80 percent truth but also lies. This makes us confused and keep us arguing. Just as intended.

The human body is a complex system, and it takes time to look into the available information, weigh it, and form hypothesizes that we can try to verify with experiments and observations. And during that time we may well be mistaken, fall for disinfo or become disinformants ourself because we have made conclusions that are simply not supported by the information/experiments/observations made.

It hard as hell, and it’s not made easier by the Nutworks constant psychological warfare and social engineering with the intent to herd us into the wrong choices. We now have an elderly generation, that could have given us much well needed wisdom that instead have been turned into dementia.

To get to your question; The task of setting an entirely new health paradigm is not to be taken lightly and much effort has been spent and will be spent to prevent anyone trying from succeeding.

Another thing that makes this hard is that some of the problematic parts of nutrition and medicine can take years or decades to develop into disease and initially we may feel better. And it may be things that are healthy to do during limited periods, but not for a prolonged time. And if we’ve had an initial positive experience we then tend do more of the very thing that makes us sick.

I think it’s also important to be aware that our knowledge within one area does not always translate well into another. I’ve been humbled recently by understanding that just because I have a fair idea about electronics and physics, that did not prevent me from being fooled into believing for the better part of my life that rockets can work in a vacuum even though it’s a verified physical fact they cannot.

I hope this does not sound too defeatist. I’m actually optimistic that a new health paradigm are being set as we speak. Its just that we cannot see it yet because of the social engineering, media, disinformation and DBAs that are pointing us in the wrong directions. But I’m confident that new findings will eventually reach and meet acceptance in broader audiences despite this onslaught from the Nutwork.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Kham on December 6th, 2017, 2:43 pm

Ok Patrix, your non-example is interesting.

Can you state an example of what a legitimate new health paradigm would look like?
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby patrix on December 6th, 2017, 3:34 pm

Kham » December 6th, 2017, 2:43 pm wrote:Ok Patrix, your non-example is interesting.

Can you state an example of what a legitimate new health paradigm would look like?


Darn. I wrote a long reply, but my internet crapped out and I lost it…

In short:
Eat whole foods as fresh and organic as possible
Stay (the hell) away from industrial foods. Especially those containing processed vegetable oils, soy and starch.
Avoid grains especially whole grains.
Your main source of energy should come from animal fats like butter and cream. Preferably organic and unprocessed.
Drink clean water, throw away your fluoride toothpaste and don’t put anything chemical in your mouth or on your skin. Coconut oil is a great toothpaste and skin cream.
Practice regular fasting. To skip breakfast is the simplest way.
Sleep enough and remove stress from your life (like not believing the evening news and hang out with people you really care about)

There’s science behind this which I wrote some about but lost, but there’s so much good written and said already:

The Greatest American Lies - The Oiling of America and Heart Disease by Mary G. Enig PhD, presented by Sally Fallon-Morrell
https://youtu.be/uJ0WJOQzrgg

Thomas Seyfried: Cancer: A Metabolic Disease With Metabolic Solutions
https://youtu.be/SEE-oU8_NSU

This blog aggregate. Dr Fung and Dr Eades are right on the mark (in my humble opinion):
https://www.dietdoctor.com/new

Got to go and simulate some interest at my work now :)
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby HonestlyNow on December 6th, 2017, 7:39 pm

patrix » December 6th, 2017, 9:34 am wrote:In short:
Eat whole foods as fresh and organic as possible
. . .

Would these be RAW foods or COOKED foods?

patrix » December 5th, 2017, 6:20 am wrote:. . . and initially we may feel better. And it may be things that are healthy to do during limited periods, but not for a prolonged time. And if we’ve had an initial positive experience we then tend do more of the very thing that makes us sick.

How long would you say someone needs to be on what they determine to be the healthy way to live before they may take a turn for the worse, i.e., how long of a proof of health do you need to see that what this person is doing may be something at which we should all take a look?
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