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LightCone wrote:§

WWII fighter plane found perfectly preserved in the Sahara
LightCone,

If you suspect there is something dubious about that image (although the ELA doesn't seem to indicate anything unusual), would you mind clarifying for us, please?

Also, as we often try to remind members here, we all need to provide links to the original sources of any images and info we post. It is extremely important, if we wish to not only be but seen to be legitimate researchers, that our sources are always verifiable (something the opposition tries to accuse us of, so why give them any unnecessary ammo on something so easily prevented? ;) )
It also saves us from having to constantly paste image urls into the Google image finder to source them.
For example, the image above is included with several others in this aviation e-zine article citing the Daily Mail:
http://www.golfhotelwhiskey.com/aviatio ... ts-desert/

BTW, finding lost WWII aircraft in the North African desert is hardly unheard of. My brother-in-law was working for Darcy Exploration (a company contracted by British Petroleum) in 1958 when a Darcy seismic team found the Lady Be Good B-24D virtually intact in the Lybian desert. He even managed to get some souvenirs himself from the site (e.g. a pair of headphones and a life raft).
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

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Maat wrote:
BTW, finding lost WWII aircraft in the North African desert is hardly unheard of. My brother-in-law was working for Darcy Exploration (a company contracted by British Petroleum) in 1958 when a Darcy seismic team found the Lady Be Good B-24D virtually intact in the Lybian desert. He even managed to get some souvenirs himself from the site (e.g. a pair of headphones and a life raft).
I'm not speaking against the possibility that a military plane has crashed and become a relic of a desert.

I'm trying to decipher whether the associated pictures that are disseminated through MASS media are misrepresentations of reality in some kind.

I want to examine all possibilities as to how far the extent of fakery goes.

Sure,this news story doesn't appear to be a psyop of any kind; but that doesn't mean there can't be an element of fakery involved.
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Well one thing we do know about the news is that it often contains bullshit attitudes, ideas and moods that have been specifically crafted to a purpose. I think it's fair to suspect even innocuous seeming stories. The news certainly hasn't earned our trust that they wouldn't pull such hijinks.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

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LightCone wrote:... I'm trying to decipher whether the associated pictures that are disseminated through MASS media are misrepresentations of reality in some kind.

I want to examine all possibilities as to how far the extent of fakery goes.

Sure,this news story doesn't appear to be a psyop of any kind; but that doesn't mean there can't be an element of fakery involved.
That's fine, and just the clarification I was asking for. However, that's also why we need your image sources so we can compare and analyse them for ourselves.

As most are probably already aware, newspapers have routinely altered or 'enhanced' photos in their publications for many decades — often for quite reasonable purposes like newsprint clarity, detail etc. (like a bikini girl's cleavage :rolleyes:) — but of course, what can be done for 'artistic' or legitimate reasons will be done for anything else they deem 'expedient' as well. Online 'news' publications do the same.

For example, the first photo you posted (apparently from http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=19788 ) is a resized version of the Daily Mail's hi-res pics but with even less Exif data, & the credited name removed: http://regex.info/exif.cgi?b=3&referer= ... sahara.jpg

Hi Res original:
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@ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... esert.html
Credit: © Jakub Perka/BNPS

Exif data: http://regex.info/exif.cgi?b=3&referer= ... 64x716.jpg

Even if real, I'd say there has probably been some enhancement &/or additions of object details and color.

I'm not expert or practiced enough with ELA to confidently form any conclusion by that method, but those who are can view the original hi-res pic's ELA results @ http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... 6c7.183484
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Woke up yesterday morning, and stepped outside with my morning coffee. And seen a huge smoke plume from the back of my house. An asbestos ridden disused whare house had caught fire and spread an Asbestos nightmare and people on my block evacuated. Because of the Asbestos

Just thought I would share the amazing photos taken yesterday.

Fear as residents evacuated from West Perth warehouse fire

Video included--
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 6357597000

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I am currently working with the demolition team to help clean the asbestos of the neighbouring buildings, I have to wear full body suits n masks n gloves and boot covers, which I am constantly changing as they get contaminated.
If anything it's a good job because I get danger money for handling the ancient deadly material and its in my area. All in a days work... Glad my "hood" is safe. B)
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There's a huge fraud surrounding "Asbestos".

Asbestos is a non-scientific term used loosely to describe a wide range of unrelated fibrous "asbestiform" minerals.

These minerals carry completely different risks from human exposure.

The most common form of "asbestos" is properly called Chrysotile, a member of the serpentine group of minerals.

Chrysotile is the most common type of "asbestos" found in building construction. It is used in Artex plastering, cement-based roofing sheets and tiles, etcetera.

Chrysotile or "white asbestos" is essentially harmless. Men have spent their entire working lives in Chrysotile mines, yet they exhibit no increased risk of mesotheliomas or related diseases.

No credible researcher has ever demonstrated a causal link between Chrysotile exposure and the development of cancer in humans or animals.

In terms of hazard, Chrysotile has been compared to talcum powder, flour and brick dust. Utterly benign.

Yet in its Official WHO designation as a dangerous carcinogen, the benign Chrysotile is lumped crudely with other undoubtedly dangerous but thankfully rare asbestiform minerals.

The truly dangerous forms of "asbestos" include the completely unrelated amphibole minerals Crocidolite ("blue asbestos") and Amosite ("brown asbestos").

The key difference between Chrysotile and the amphiboles are their different solubilities in the moist environment of the respiratory tract.

Inhaled Chrysotile fibres are completely dissolved in just a few days by the pulmonary fluids. By contrast, the amphibole fibres of blue and brown "asbestos" remain embedded in the lung tissue indefinitely where they trigger mesotheliomas.

A huge industry of fraud has sprung up to deal with the 'safe disposal' of "asbestos" including hugely expensive training courses and certification programmes for those handling it.

Critics of the Asbestos Fraud have been vilified. Whistleblowers of the Fraud have even found themselves persecuted through the courts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthc ... story.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ebook.html
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An interseting article on the Psychology of Images

While there is a lot to quote from, I'll just give this from the first paragaph.

""while photographs may not lie, liars may photograph"

Image

This image won a Pull it zer after it had been modified to remove the pole from the 14 year old ?? Runaway girl's head [Can't find any reason for her being at Kent State University, but dont let that spoil the story] Kinda looks familiar too, if you are keeping up with the uToyah thread!

See John Filo Mary Ann Vecchio

http://www.historycooperative.org/journ ... berry.html
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brianv wrote:An interseting article on the Psychology of Images

While there is a lot to quote from, I'll just give this from the first paragaph.

""while photographs may not lie, liars may photograph"

Image

This image won a Pull it zer after it had been modified to remove the pole from the 14 year old ?? Runaway girl's head [Can't find any reason for her being at Kent State University, but dont let that spoil the story] Kinda looks familiar too, if you are keeping up with the uToyah thread!

See John Filo Mary Ann Vecchio

http://www.historycooperative.org/journ ... berry.html
Replying to myself - :unsure:

Grassy Knolls were all the rage at that time, disinterested passers by, still.

How do impossible photographs win awards?

Image

http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2011/08 ... raphs.html
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brianv wrote:
brianv wrote:An interseting article on the Psychology of Images

While there is a lot to quote from, I'll just give this from the first paragaph.

""while photographs may not lie, liars may photograph"

Image

This image won a Pull it zer after it had been modified to remove the pole from the 14 year old ?? Runaway girl's head [Can't find any reason for her being at Kent State University, but dont let that spoil the story] Kinda looks familiar too, if you are keeping up with the uToyah thread!

See John Filo Mary Ann Vecchio

http://www.historycooperative.org/journ ... berry.html
Replying to myself - :unsure:

Grassy Knolls were all the rage at that time, disinterested passers by, still.

How do impossible photographs win awards?

Image

http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2011/08 ... raphs.html
That photograph!!

I synced that photo with the CBS footage…

A- The top corner of the NTH tower – photo- visible… CBS- Not visible.
B- Smoke plume from NTH tower lit up Photo- visibly orange… CBS- Not lit up.
C- Bottom smoke on south tower Photo and CBS do not match up at all.
Image

wtf ! haha
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brianv wrote:An interseting article on the Psychology of Images

While there is a lot to quote from, I'll just give this from the first paragaph.

""while photographs may not lie, liars may photograph"

Image

This image won a Pull it zer after it had been modified to remove the pole from the 14 year old ?? Runaway girl's head [Can't find any reason for her being at Kent State University, but dont let that spoil the story] Kinda looks familiar too, if you are keeping up with the uToyah thread!

See John Filo Mary Ann Vecchio

http://www.historycooperative.org/journ ... berry.html
I was looking into the "Kent State Massacre" recently. I was trying to find a photo of a shooting victim that showed at least some blood but I couldn't find one. I only found a few photos that showed "shooting victims" lying down but no visible evidence that they were really shot.
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Too much controversey sept clues

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The admins need to step in and get this forum under control. Why so many attacks recently?
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Truthseeker,

Please refrain from opening a new topic each time you have something to say, thanks. That will help.

As for the controversies, just ignore them. You are not obliged to read them. Choose the topics you are interested in.
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truthseeker wrote:The admins need to step in and get this forum under control. Why so many attacks recently?
In my opinion the admins are doing a good job. :)
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simonshack wrote:Truthseeker,

Please refrain from opening a new topic each time you have something to say, thanks. That will help.

As for the controversies, just ignore them. You are not obliged to read them. Choose the topics you are interested in.
Maybe new members should be given 'X' threshold posts before permission is granted to start a thread!
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

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brianv wrote:
simonshack wrote:Truthseeker,

Please refrain from opening a new topic each time you have something to say, thanks. That will help.

As for the controversies, just ignore them. You are not obliged to read them. Choose the topics you are interested in.
Maybe new members should be given 'X' threshold posts before permission is granted to start a thread!
OK. I'm over it. Wont post anything on sept clues anymore.
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