THE "CHATBOX"

[jaytotale]

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[brianv]

Thank you very much Simon. We just got lucky having the video done by film students. The Teardrop Explodes and the whole post-punk period of the late seventies/early eighties produced some bloody good bands. Shame I never got to see a lot of them live, seeing as I was too young!

I bumped into Julian Cope in the 'Greyhound' in Hammersmith, London, at press darlings of the week, the Fire Engines' first London gig...if my mammaries serve me correct! What a tosser!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASW6eH9d9LE

[thespiritualone]

Thank you very much Simon. We just got lucky having the video done by film students. The Teardrop Explodes and the whole post-punk period of the late seventies/early eighties produced some bloody good bands. Shame I never got to see a lot of them live, seeing as I was too young!

Hi Jay

I very much like that period from 1976 to 1984 approx. Like many music fans on here i listened to John Peel, it was a great period for independent music. The Peel Sessions from that period unfortunately appear to be stuck in the archives. During that period i recorded some of the sessions on audio cassette which still survive today but the quality is not so good and i have refrained from transferring the recordings onto my PC until now. I am particularly keen on uploading a Michael Smith session from the early eighties:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikey_Smith

Unfortunately, i never got to see hardly any bands during that time-transport was always an issue, always having to leave early and risk missing the last train home from Newcastle at 10.30 pm.

I did attend a few music festivals in Leeds during that time-"Futurama" and it's follow up. I got to see Bauhaus, Echo and The Bunnymen, Psychedelic Furs, Soft Boys, Blur, etc. Two bands who i desperately wanted to see Live but never did were The Stranglers and Devo.

[brianv]

Thank you very much Simon. We just got lucky having the video done by film students. The Teardrop Explodes and the whole post-punk period of the late seventies/early eighties produced some bloody good bands. Shame I never got to see a lot of them live, seeing as I was too young!

Hi Jay

I very much like that period from 1976 to 1984 approx. Like many music fans on here i listened to John Peel, it was a great period for independent music. The Peel Sessions from that period unfortunately appear to be stuck in the archives. During that period i recorded some of the sessions on audio cassette which still survive today but the quality is not so good and i have refrained from transferring the recordings onto my PC until now. I am particularly keen on uploading a Michael Smith session from the early eighties:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikey_Smith

Unfortunately, i never got to see hardly any bands during that time-transport was always an issue, always having to leave early and risk missing the last train home from Newcastle at 10.30 pm.

I did attend a few music festivals in Leeds during that time-"Futurama" and it's follow up. I got to see Bauhaus, Echo and The Bunnymen, Psychedelic Furs, Soft Boys, Blur, etc. Two bands who i desperately wanted to see Live but never did were The Stranglers and Devo.

Bauhaus - The Venue, Victoria, London [Apart from "Bela" and "Ziggy" ps and maybe "Kick", you missed nothing, worst band ever]
Bunnymen - Hammersmith Palais, London [mediocre]
Stranglers - Wembley [supporting the Who] [The mutt's nuts]

[thespiritualone]

Bauhaus - The Venue, Victoria, London [Apart from "Bela" and "Ziggy" ps and maybe "Kick", you missed nothing, worst band ever]
Bunnymen - Hammersmith Palais, London [mediocre]
Stranglers - Wembley [supporting the Who] [The mutt's nuts]

Bauhaus (1981) & Echo and The Bunnymen (1980 & 1981) were great Live in Leeds. I have always preferred Vinyl to Live performance by far. And The Who are the greatest band ever Live and on vinyl.Bauhaus on vinyl i preferred the more edgier stuff like: "Dark Entries", "Terror Couple Kill Colonel", "St Vitus Dance", "Stigmata Martyr" and "In The Flatfield"


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[jaytotale]

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[whatsgoingon]

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[MsQ]

I very much like that period from 1976 to 1984 approx. Like many music fans on here i listened to John Peel, it was a great period for independent music. The Peel Sessions from that period unfortunately appear to be stuck in the archives. During that period i recorded some of the sessions on audio cassette which still survive today but the quality is not so good and i have refrained from transferring the recordings onto my PC until now. I am particularly keen on uploading a Michael Smith session from the early eighties:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikey_Smith

Unfortunately, i never got to see hardly any bands during that time-transport was always an issue, always having to leave early and risk missing the last train home from Newcastle at 10.30 pm.

Hi thespiritualone, I would love to hear the Mickey Smith sessions if ever you do! I remember hearing of him on The John Peel Show.
I am still chasing up bands today that I heard on his show back in 82/3 and haven't heard since!
I have the odd cassette too with bits of songs on, but John Peel played so much good stuff, I never had enough tapes.
I never got to see any of the bands back in the day either due to my age. I wish I'd been a bit more daring as a kid and snuck out to try and see at least the few that played my home town. I was way underage, but surely with enough make-up and the right clothing could have managed to get in to see something

[fbenario]

Bauhaus on vinyl i preferred the more edgier stuff like: "Dark Entries", "Terror Couple Kill Colonel", "St Vitus Dance", "Stigmata Martyr" and "In The Flatfield"

Oh my God, their Swing The Heartache BBC Sessions album was so effing good. A must-have collection.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxODM2tSh80

The booming drums on their Ziggy Stardust are among the best ever recorded.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTyePL5JvVI

[fbenario]

I was into The Teardrop Explodes and such...

Their debut album is one of the greatest-ever.

[brianv]

AKA John Robert Parker Ravenscroft, OBE (30 August 1939 – 25 October 2004), known professionally as John Peel,


"In 1960, he went to the United States to work for a cotton producer who had business dealings with his father.[9] Once this job finished, he took a number of others, including working as a travelling insurance salesman, remaining in the United States until 1967. While in Dallas, Texas, where the insurance company he worked for was based, he spoke to John F. Kennedy as the presidential candidate and his running mate, Lyndon B. Johnson, who were touring the city during the 1960 Presidential election campaign.

Following Kennedy's assassination in November 1963, Peel passed himself off as a reporter for the Liverpool Echo in order to attend the arraignment of Lee Harvey Oswald, and he and a friend can be seen in the footage of the 22/23 November midnight press conference at Dallas Police Department when Oswald was paraded before the media.[10] He later phoned in the story to the Liverpool Echo."

Small world innit?

[kansasinnovember]

While we're still on the subject of the legendry John Peel,here's his all time favorite track which has been the ringtone on my phone for a few years now...classic.



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PinCg7IGqHg

[fbenario]

While we're still on the subject of the legendry John Peel,here's his all time favorite track which has been the ringtone on my phone for a few years now...classic.



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PinCg7IGqHg

Yep, that is essentially a perfect shot of top-notch pop. I have also always loved Family Entertainment!


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ngFWyeNvaQ

[fbenario]

I was so struck by this that I wanted you to read much of it. I have broken the material into 3 sections. Thanks for bearing with me.

Absolutely first-rate analyses and conclusions.

The Introvert’s Dilemma in a Tech-Enabled World

The Chronicle of Higher Education has an interesting take on the shifting divide between introverts and extroverts in modern society.

Author William Pannapacker, who’s an English professor at Michigan’s Hope College, contends introversion is nearly pathologized by a contemporary culture that celebrates powerful, charismatic personalities to the exclusion of quiet ponderers.

He describes taking the Myers-Briggs personality test with his students a few years ago. When Myers-Briggs’ famed four-letter type indicator revealed Pannapacker was the classes’ only official introvert, several students’ first reaction was to console him and argue with the test’s result.

“‘We are made to be social with each other’ was a refrain in the conversation,” he wrote.

Many of those students, Pannapacker suggests, were actually closet introverts -- especially some who never spoke in class -- but were ashamed to admit they’d rather stay home reading a book than socialize at a party.

Pannapacker worries the premium society puts on extroverts’ aptitudes, such as leading presentations and schmoozing, is pushing talented introverts out of promising careers -- especially in academia where people are first selected for the introvert’s skills of methodical and solitary research and then evaluated by the extrovert’s metrics of leading seminar discussions, presenting research to packed lecture halls and glad handing department chairs.

What’s most curious about Pannapacker’s take is its exclusion of technology, which has been a leading player in many discussions of contemporary introversion.

Phillip Bump argued in a July 2011 Atlantic story that technology has created a golden age for introverts, allowing them to spend more time away from the hurly burly of the office and to communicate through carefully crafted email messages rather than in-person and telephonic chitchat.

In a 2010 U.S. News and World Report column, consultant and Execupundit Michael Wade effectively accused introverts of invading the workplace, forcing communication into emails and Facebook messages and barring old-fashioned extroverts from looking each other in the eye or picking up the phone to hash out a problem.

“Lyndon Johnson used to run the United States Senate by keeping a phone glued to his ear,” Wade fumed, speculating the former extrovert in chief and Senate majority leader would not have lowered himself to “tapping out messages to Senators Dirksen and Russell.”

Pannapacker’s piece is partly a review of Susan Cain's book Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking in which she argues the 19th century was defined by contemplative introverts such as Thoreau and Emily Dickinson while the 20th century was dominated by brash extroverts the likes of Horatio Alger and P.T. Barnum.

Bump makes a similar observation but notes email, voicemail and other technologies have returned some of that 19th century sense of American solitude in a vast untamed land.

One of the peculiar characteristics of our digitally and socially connected age is that introversion and extroversion have become much more difficult to pin down.

Being always available and always on is, if anything, more prized than ever. But we can do it from the solitude of our own homes, never looking anyone in the eye.

People who are masters of engagement in personal conversation can stumble and come off stilted when they try to express that same level of engagement in an email, Tweet or Facebook post. And who hasn’t met someone who can dominate an email chain or social media debate but who turns out to be shy and awkward in person?

http://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/em ... ces-module

[fbenario]

From the Amazon page.

Amazon Best Books of the Month, January 2012

How many introverts do you know? The real answer will probably surprise you. In our culture, which emphasizes group work from elementary school through the business world, everything seems geared toward extroverts. Luckily, introverts everywhere have a new spokesperson: Susan Cain, a self-proclaimed introvert who’s taken it upon herself to better understand the place of introverts in culture and society. With Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can’t Stop Talking, Cain explores introversion through psychological research old and new, personal experiences, and even brain chemistry, in an engaging and highly-readable fashion. By delving into introversion, Cain also seeks to find ways for introverts and extroverts to better understand one another--and for introverts to understand their own contradictions, such as the ability to act like extroverts in certain situations. Highly accessible and uplifting for any introvert--and any extrovert who knows an introvert (and over one-third of us are introverts)--Quiet has the potential to revolutionize the “extrovert ideal.” –Malissa Kent

Amazon Exclusive: Q & A with Author Susan Cain

Q: Why did you write the book?
A: For the same reason that Betty Friedan published The Feminine Mystique in 1963. Introverts are to extroverts what women were to men at that time--second-class citizens with gigantic amounts of untapped talent. Our schools, workplaces, and religious institutions are designed for extroverts, and many introverts believe that there is something wrong with them and that they should try to “pass” as extroverts. The bias against introversion leads to a colossal waste of talent, energy, and, ultimately, happiness.

Q: What personal significance does the subject have for you?
A: When I was in my twenties, I started practicing corporate law on Wall Street. At first I thought I was taking on an enormous challenge, because in my mind, the successful lawyer was comfortable in the spotlight, whereas I was introverted and occasionally shy. But I soon realized that my nature had a lot of advantages: I was good at building loyal alliances, one-on-one, behind the scenes; I could close my door, concentrate, and get the work done well; and like many introverts, I tended to ask a lot of questions and listen intently to the answers, which is an invaluable tool in negotiation. I started to realize that there’s a lot more going on here than the cultural stereotype of the introvert-as-unfortunate would have you believe. I had to know more, so I spent the past five years researching the powers of introversion.

Q: Was there ever a time when American society valued introverts more highly?
A: In the nation’s earlier years it was easier for introverts to earn respect. America once embodied what the cultural historian Warren Susman called a “Culture of Character,” which valued inner strength, integrity, and the good deeds you performed when no one was looking. You could cut an impressive figure by being quiet, reserved, and dignified. Abraham Lincoln was revered as a man who did not “offend by superiority,” as Emerson put it.

Q: You discuss how we can better embrace introverts in the workplace. Can you explain?
A: Introverts thrive in environments that are not overstimulating—surroundings in which they can think (deeply) before they speak. This has many implications. Here are two to consider: (1) Introverts perform best in quiet, private workspaces—but unfortunately we’re trending in precisely the opposite direction, toward open-plan offices. (2) If you want to get the best of all your employees’ brains, don’t simply throw them into a meeting and assume you’re hearing everyone’s ideas. You’re not; you’re hearing from the most vocally assertive people. Ask people to put their ideas in writing before the meeting, and make sure you give everyone time to speak.

Q: Quiet offers some terrific insights for the parents of introverted children. What environment do introverted kids need in order to thrive, whether it’s at home or at school?
A: The best thing parents and teachers can do for introverted kids is to treasure them for who they are, and encourage their passions. This means: (1) Giving them the space they need. If they need to recharge alone in their room after school instead of plunging into extracurricular activities, that’s okay. (2) Letting them master new skills at their own pace. If they’re not learning to swim in group settings, for example, teach them privately. (3) Not calling them “shy”--they’ll believe the label and experience their nervousness as a fixed trait rather than an emotion they can learn to control.

Q: What are the advantages to being an introvert?
A: There are too many to list in this short space, but here are two seemingly contradictory qualities that benefit introverts: introverts like to be alone--and introverts enjoy being cooperative. Studies suggest that many of the most creative people are introverts, and this is partly because of their capacity for quiet. Introverts are careful, reflective thinkers who can tolerate the solitude that idea-generation requires. On the other hand, implementing good ideas requires cooperation, and introverts are more likely to prefer cooperative environments, while extroverts favor competitive ones.

Review

"Cain offers a wealth of useful advice for teachers and parents of introverts…Quiet should interest anyone who cares about how people think"

http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Power-Intro ... 0307352145