The Moon Hoax

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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby hollycrap on April 28th, 2012, 2:32 am

According to NASA, explaining the wet cardboard model of Apollo 16, in the Apollo 16 journal ...

NASA wrote:Young and Duke then inspected Casper's SIM Bay to see if they could determine why some of the experiment were not functioning as planned. Ken Mattingly carried out a similar examination of Orion, noticing that the outer thermal blankets on the rear of the Lunar Module were badly damaged, and hanging off the spacecraft. These had been torn loose at engine ignition on the surface the Moon, but the thermal blankets underneath appeared to be intact.


http://history.nasa.gov/ap16fj/a16summary.htm

I tried to find what they referred to when talking about the thermal blankets ... but could not find any reference.

Let's see what you can find about this side of the Ascent Stage and what kind of equipment was allegedly installed there ...

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This diagram shows the ascent stage in an opposite direction as the one portrayed in the Apollo 16 wet cardboard model

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The image above shows what they call the AFT equipment bay, composed of "electronic equipment"

displayed from a front perspective here at the Smithsonian.

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I tried finding what the AFT equipment bay function was but could find few references ...

The ascent stage of the Apollo LEM is the control center and manned portion of the space vehicle. The vehicle's three main sections are the crew compartment, midsection, and aft equipment bay and tank section. The crew compartment and midsection make up the cabin. The ascent-stage structure consists of several subassemblies: the front face, cabin skin, midsection, and aft equipment bay.

Chronicles of Grumman's 1960s Lunar Excursion Module development
http://www.edn.com/article/521063-Chron ... opment.php

Grumman and Rockedyne were in charge of constructing the Lunar Module.

Compare with this front view of the Apollo 16 cardboard shag.

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BTW I was not able to find this image in any other place on the internet.

The difference between the two representations of the ascent module showing the aft whatever is astounding :o

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Found further that the Aft Equipment Bay ....

The Aft Equipment Bay, housing electronic components, was located on the rear of the spacecraft. The bay was unpressurized and included a water-glycol cooling system to prevent equipment from overheating. Two oxygen tanks and two helium tanks were located in the bay.[/b]

http://historicspacecraft.com/Lunar_Module.html

And also

The aft compartment is located around the periphery of the command module at its widest part, just forward of (above) the aft heat shield. The compartment is divided into 24 bays by the 24 frames of the structure. In these bays are 10 reaction control engines; the fuel, oxidizer, and helium tanks for the CM reaction control subsystem; water tanks; the crushable ribs of the impact attenuation system; and a number of instruments. The CM-SM umbilical-the point where wiring an plumbing runs from one module to the other-also is in the aft compartment. The panels of the heat shield around the aft compartment are removable for maintenance of the equipment before flight.

http://www.apollosaturn.com/asnr/module.htm

So it seemed to be a very sensitive area in their Apollo dream scheme

Just imagine if as NASA say it was damaged during the lift off from the moon. The oxygen tanks wood be gone, making impossible their earth round trip completion but the helium tank explosion would have sent our heroes to kingdom come.

:P
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby icarusinbound on April 28th, 2012, 11:13 am

Excellent work Hollycrap. Masses of bizarrre inconsistencies.

A thought: does the size/shape of the subordinate up-thruster jet nozzle on the underside of the LEM, used during accelerating departure...

Image(close-up taken from Hollycrap's rare pic)

appear to be identical to the size/shape of the main up-thruster jet nozzle used during landing? Why should that be?

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Is it a scale illusion that they look so similar? Wouldn't this nozzle need to be considerably larger, to decelerate the LM/LEM piggyback heavyweight combo during landing? Is that not the case, and it's just that they superficially appear to be similar? The usually-visible one, at the centre of the three-legged puzzle squatting on the lunar surface, always gives me the impression that it's not a machined bell casting- it looks like just a pressed metal construct, with an edge lip-fold. Like as in a museum copy, more like some aluminium two-dimensional origami than a conduit for raw energy.

Talking of museum comparisons (and please do keep the search up for Smithsonian-style images, especially real-world Cluescatcher member pics), what do we make of this unattributed image that I stumbled across on Ebay...?

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http://www.openprint.eu/images/A1-P/24352.jpg

Does this represent (1) An Official Story LM/LEM on the supposed lunar surface, or (2) An Official Story training environment picture taken on earth, or (3) A present-day picture taken in an aerospace museum....somewhere? Or (4) a scale model model picture? Remember my earlier opinion about the apparent lack of Official Story training environment pictures, and the consequent possibility that they maybe looked too like the purported 'real' thing for comfort....does anyone know of any accepted shots of astronots, minus helmets, sucking sodas and tax dollars and chatting to the crew, taken during a slack moment at The Facility?

And whilst looking at the vast range of Apollo memorabelia on sale via eBay, I saw this really-interesting item....a collected group of signatures, one from each of the twelve disciples that claim to have walked-the-walk

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-Apollo-Moonwalkers-Original-Autographs-VERY-RARE-COA-/270959151621?pt=UK_DVD_Film_TV_Autographs_CV&hash=item3f166c8a05

Be quick if you want to place a bid, there's less than six hours left for the auction. Two bids haven't yet met the reserve price of 4,500GBP/7,300USD/5,500EUR/42,000NOK. And if you have any concerns as to the provenance of this apparently-unique piece, please don't worry....a Certificate of Authenticity is included in the sale.
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby lux on April 28th, 2012, 1:19 pm

^ That's tempting but I have my sights set on this authentic pair of Apollo Meteoroid Trousers for only $4,000 on the USA eBay site:
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located here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270963136431

... which the seller tells us were "to protect the astronaut from the dangers of high-speed micrometeoroids which could puncture the spacesuit."

It must have been comforting for the astronauts to know that even if a micro meteoroid did puncture their space suit, their private parts would still be protected from harm.

The seller also says the trousers are "slightly soiled from use." :(
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby antipodean on April 28th, 2012, 2:30 pm

lux wrote:^ That's tempting but I have my sights set on this authentic pair of Apollo Meteoroid Trousers for only $4,000 on the USA eBay site:
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located here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270963136431

... which the seller tells us were "to protect the astronaut from the dangers of high-speed micrometeoroids which could puncture the spacesuit."

It must have been comforting for the astronauts to know that even if a micro meteoroid did puncture their space suit, their private parts would still be protected from harm.

The seller also says the trousers are "slightly soiled from use." :(


They would have also come in handy as an extra layer of protection from twice travelling through the Van Allen belts.
Wouldn't want to risk returning to earth and confronting the missus with a radio active member.
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby reel.deal on April 28th, 2012, 3:41 pm

icarusinbound wrote:
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http://www.openprint.eu/images/A1-P/24352.jpg

Does this represent (1) An Official Story LM/LEM on the supposed lunar surface, or (2) An Official Story training environment picture taken on earth, or (3) A present-day picture taken in an aerospace museum....somewhere? Or (4) a scale model model picture ?



well... it BETTER BE meant to represent the APOLLO 11 LEM; ON THE MOON;
cos the sellotapes the same, on the same craft paper LEM chassis,
right where they papered over that upturned spaghetti-drainer...
:)

look how yellowed the SELLOTAPE is, from the RELENTLESS SEARING 120 DEGREES SUN,
NA$A MOON SPACESHIPS were ALL HI-SPEC FINISHED with 'SPECIAL SELLOTAPE',
'extra-sticky', 'non-shrivel', 'heat-proof' adhesive...
:)

AS11-40-5922
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you can easily tell its the REAL APOLLO 11 LEM - ON THE MOON - anyway...
by the "ENDLESS HORIZON", SHOWING THE PANORAMIC MASSIF MOON MOUNTAINS...

& by the 1-METRE WIDE CRATER THE APOLLO 11 LEM NARROWLY AVOIDED LANDING IN...
:ph34r:
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby hollycrap on April 28th, 2012, 3:46 pm

antipodean wrote:
lux wrote:^ That's tempting but I have my sights set on this authentic pair of Apollo Meteoroid Trousers for only $4,000 on the USA eBay site:
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located here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270963136431

... which the seller tells us were "to protect the astronaut from the dangers of high-speed micrometeoroids which could puncture the spacesuit."

It must have been comforting for the astronauts to know that even if a micro meteoroid did puncture their space suit, their private parts would still be protected from harm.

The seller also says the trousers are "slightly soiled from use." :(


They would have also come in handy as an extra layer of protection from twice travelling through the Van Allen belts.
Wouldn't want to risk returning to earth and confronting the missus with a radio active member.



Better a radioactive member than a punctured member full of holes :P

Icarus, your fake looking Lunar Lander .....

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Is attributed to Apollo 14, AS14-66-9254

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And yes there are plenty of photographs of the nuts "training" on earth ... here's sample, only sodas missing :wub:

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In the meantime let me amuse you with another take of a scale model LEM doing its incredible stunts on an animated product from the sixties, of course this is still being shown as authentic footage of a spacecraft orbiting the moon, in 2012

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:lol:
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby hollycrap on April 28th, 2012, 4:46 pm

Thanks to Icarus and reel and his amazing pattern recognition abilities, we have been able to establish another piece of cross mission fakery

Between images AS14-66-9254 attributed to Apollo 14 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Histo ... 9254HR.jpg
And image AS11-40-5922 attributed to Apollo 11 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11prsci3-15.html => http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5922.jpg

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Same lunar lander for two different missions :wacko:
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby reel.deal on April 28th, 2012, 4:55 pm

:o wait, what ? ...not so fast !!! :P


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In much the same vein as Formula-1 racing cars, Apollo Moon LEMS were constantly being improved
& upgraded with fine-tunings and subtle but extremely efficient add-on design improvements.
Here we see the vast technological advances made between Apollo 11 and Apollo 14 missions.
Both Moon-landed LEMS feature the same yellowing sellotape '5' sticking the craft paper
down, but Apollo learned so much from the original '11' mission, by the time the FOURTH
LEM landed on the Moon; NA$A MASSIVELY streamlined the craft chassis using ONLY ONE PIECE
OF SELLOTAPE TO HOLD THE SPAGHETTI-DRAINER IN PLACE, rather than the previous 2 PIECES !!!!!!
THE RESULT WAS AN UNPRECEDENTED INCREDIBLE QUANTUM-LEAP OF TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION.
+ MORE EXTRA GOLD SHINY CHRISTMAS WRAP STUFF, OBVIOUSLY...
:)

:P
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby reel.deal on April 28th, 2012, 5:04 pm

hollycrap wrote:WHO VANDALIZED APOLLO 16's ASCENT STAGE?
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reel.deal wrote:...it was raining.
ON THE MOON.
:ph34r:
whatsgoingon wrote:Hail damage you mean. That is serious damage. It must hail on the moon.


i think the REAL question is was the APOLLO 11 LEM docking with the COMMAND MODULE
with WET SOGGY CARDBOARD DAMP MULCH-CHASSIS FROM THE MOON-RAIN, or,
BATTERED & BROKEN DRY CARDBOARD CHASSIS FROM A MOON HAILSTORM ?
:huh:
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby hollycrap on April 28th, 2012, 5:19 pm

Reel the one in tatters is Apollo 16 not 11.

And you better choose better resolution images to make your point so that anyone can appreciate the technological advance between one mission and its successor. :angry:

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:P
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby reel.deal on April 28th, 2012, 5:38 pm

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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby hollycrap on April 28th, 2012, 6:22 pm

So, in summary, we have already learned that in the Apollo 16 mission to the moon, in the LM lift off from our satellite, the aft equipment bay was blown to smithereens.

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But what happened with the aft equipment bay, full of vital supplies for our nuts of the moon, in the Apollo 15 mission lift off?

Let's take a look ..

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What a ride, what a ride :(


:o
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby hollycrap on April 28th, 2012, 7:06 pm

I like to return to the cuff checklist of the Apollonots of the moon, as it kind of projects the tongue in cheek purpose of the Apollo missions.

I learned that Miss December 1969 Playboy bunny Cynthia Myers, in one of the cuff checklist of the apollonots died last year

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Apollo 12 checklist porn depicting Cynthia Myers

R.I.P., Ms. Myers (9/12/50-11/4/11).

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:(
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby reel.deal on April 28th, 2012, 7:42 pm

Ms Myers wasnt the only 'bunny' the playboy spacemans took along to the moon for the ride... :huh:

moon landing HARE and RODENT proof hoaxed?????

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgMDki_piY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgMDki_piY

Uploaded by acharlesc1 on Apr 10, 2008

VIEW FULL SCREEN. It just gets better !

Have found what looks to be like a hare and better still a rodent of some description running across the "Moon Landing Set".
At 11 seconds there is a dark coloured rock in centre of screen with a light coloured object to its left, both behind the back of the astronaut.

The anomolous light coloured object starts moving off up the hill to the left.This can be verified by stop-starting the video and measuring the distance between the object and the rock twice or more to see the proof that the object is moving. :huh: :blink: :o

At 2mins 9 seconds the dark coloured rock is at the centre of the screen again but the light coloured object has dissapeared. :huh:

Personally to me it has the lolloping gate of a rabbit or hare, to unbelievers its defenitely just a blob, truth would be too painful. :(

The best bit is the rodent at 2mins 16 seconds who appears from bottom of screen 1/3 from right,
just as the astronaut heads to the left. :huh:

It runs up about 1/4 way up the screen and fades into the purposely pixelated background.
Same thing again you can see the distinct gate of a rodent, scurrying.


So there is either life on the moon pretty much the same as we got here
or somebody is telling porkies !!!!!!!!

:o
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Re: The Moon Hoax

Postby simonshack on April 28th, 2012, 9:23 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hahaha! The entire backdrop is rotating, for chrissakes!
(note also the swivelling, 'escapist' astronot shadow!)

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Seriously now: this goes to confirm one particular suspicion of mine, regarding the NASA moon imagery: did they film these astronots hopping around in a real environment (in some secret facility in the Nevada desert - as many have theorized) or was it all entirely put together in a studio (superimposing the astronots on some mock-up model of "moon scenery") ?

The latter seems to be the case...
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