JFK Zapruder film re-touched

[pshea38]

Just found this site. Some good points made I think on the fake Zapruder film.

http://assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/

Also note this frame from the Z film:


Jackie supposedly just embraced JFK after having the back of his head blown off and not a drop of blood evident on her white gloves, or anywhere else for that matter.

Also quite convenient that she wore pink, the same color as the fake blood spray added to the film.

Cluesforum member Culto has sealed the deal, IMO.
http://letsrollforums.com/jfk-murder-staged-event-t23127.html

[lux]

^ Culto isn't a Cluesforum member as far as I can see, at least not under that name. Unless you now something I don't?

He/she makes good points regarding the JFK hoax. I don't mean to take anything away from his/her posts on the subject and I'm happy that this topic is beginning to pop up on other sites but I don't believe it's wise to think that anyone has "sealed the deal" on anything ... ever. There's always room for more research, more insight, etc on these psy-ops.

[nonhocapito]

Nobody relinquishes power willingly.

I think that this is true even if you're a puppet. So we can safely assume that, if the assassination of JFK was faked, it must have happened with the reluctant collaboration of JFK himself.

Stay with me on this one for a few more lines:

Let's assume JFK was told: either we take you out, or you pretend to be taken out and disappear to Argentina (or wherever) like Adolf Hitler.
Fine. Facing the possibility to be actually killed, the rich white boy would accept to fake his own death and disappear.

But then Culto makes assumptions in that thread that would require not only for JFK himself, but for his wife, aides and all to rehearse over and over the killing in order to make it look legit to... to whom? A planted cameraman, Zapruder, the only one who actually came back with some film?
Then they would have the film surface, clearly doctored, but not enough to cover up the errors, years and years later...?
Why rehearsing so hard to fake something that is not at all documented if not for one very suspicious tardy piece of film and a couple of "before" and "after" pictures?

I mean, everything is possible but if the killing has been faked and staged (requiring as I said to rehearse for it with fake blood cartridges and fake reactions of fear and fake dying and all), I think they would have profited from it much more extensively --or else they would have made it simpler (or a completely undocumented event, with no need for anyone to act out anything, especially not your VIP victim).

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Different idea: Maybe Zapruder's film is really fake, but just in the sense that it features actors (and not really JFK et al.), and was filmed later, maybe in some Hollywood studio, just to give some confusing, morbid material to the public and keep the psyop alive in occasion of a minority trial.

With this interpretation, at least I don't have to imagine JFK and wife rehearsing over and over for a mock-killing, which is something that really bothers me, because I don't think they would have subjected themselves to it.

[simonshack]

Cluesforum member Culto has sealed the deal, IMO.
http://letsrollforums.com/jfk-murder-staged-event-t23127.html (Sept 29, 2010)

In fact, Culto first published that same post (on July 21, 2010) on our old Reality Shack forum:

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... &p=2033718

As you can see, a few posts down in that page, I pretty much agree with Culto's observations.
I also agree with Nonho that it is most unlikely that JFK and Jackie rehearsed/acted this themselves, so I'd say that look-alike actors were used - if this is the manner the Zap clip was staged. I think it remains a possibility. This would, if anything, help explain the dreadful quality/blurriness of the Zapruder film. After all, that Bell & Howell wasn't such a crappy camera.

[Mickey]

A few things are indeed making a lot more sense wrt the JFK incident but a lot of *why*s are unanswered which makes it a bit more confusing, e.g Why were the families eliminated down the road (or were they?) and so many other whys.

It is getting easier to understand the fakery spotted in the zapruder film though. But perhaps the most easily acceptable portion of this whole thing has been lux's other thread "Was Oslwald Really Shot" http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1210 (locked for some reason).

[lux]

JFK & J could have really been in the car shown in the Z film but that car may not have really been in Dallas. Or, they could have used lookalikes. Or, both could be true.

I wonder why they used the obviously fake photo linked below? It was in all the news media at the time (it even appears in the wiki page on JFK assassination). It makes me suspect JFK wasn't even there.



Remember - the Z film wasn't available to the public until years after the "assassination."

Also, my suspicion is this ruse was planned before JFK was president. Logically speaking, it just seems most likely because the creation of the JFK image as a great leader was an essential part of the assassination psy-op. The media did such a good job of molding his public persona that even some critical thinking researchers today still think JFK was on the side of the people. I doubt that.

Someone also went to great lengths to create a long list of "coincidences" between JFK and Abe Lincoln, long regarded as the greatest historical president:
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcoincidences.shtml
The inference being that some divine force was at work, adding to the mystique and idolatry of JFK. All part of the scam and most likely set up ahead of time in my opinion.

[agraposo]

A lot of well known researchers have known of Greer's guilt for decades.

I am not ashamed to say that I paid some attention to this theory when I read the web site http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/

See for example http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2010/08/one-of-lesser-doctored-versions-of.html

Until I saw in that web site that a user "Anonymous Physicist" also promoted theories as the following:

- "the Moon was created/brought over some tens of thousands of years ago, and is an artificial body"
- "these aliens who apparently created us and have been in charge ever since—hence all the wars, chaos and evil displayed— have been quarantined here, and have tried unsuccessfully to escape their quarantine for tens of thousands of years."
http://anonymous-physicist.blogspot.com/2007/06/ultimate-truth.html

[lux]

What's the point in "analyzing" a film clip which has been proven to have been majorly altered?

[nonhocapito]

Scotty Baldwin:
You are creating new posts every three minutes from material obviously prepared in advance. Please put your posts together into single posts, there is no need to flood our threads and force page changes this way.

Also: this forum investigates MEDIA FAKERY. As such, we don't pay much credit to what the media have said about pretty much anything. We analyze videos and images in order to find clues of manipulation and alteration. We don't interpret what happens in a video without asking ourselves first whether such video is even remotely real. We don't take things at face value, nor we do it with any other material, including official testimony.

FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THIS FORUM BEFORE POSTING AGAIN. STOP FLOODING OUR BOARD WITH YOUR MATERIAL.

[lux]

I don't think Scotty got the message. Bot?

[nonhocapito]

Scotty: Seeing that you are not interested in interaction with other members and seeing that you are not going to stop from flooding our forum with dubious material, I am suspending your account. Feel free to appeal via email, in the meantime consider this a suspension for the Easter holidays.

[agraposo]

Scotty Baldwin:
You are creating new posts every three minutes from material obviously prepared in advance. Please put your posts together into single posts, there is no need to flood our threads and force page changes this way.

His posts are easily found through the web, for example:

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/alcoholic-bill-cooper-exposed-t32417-210.html
http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1773&p=35092

A plagiarist?

[nonhocapito]

His posts are easily found through the web, for example:

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/alcoholic-bill-cooper-exposed-t32417-210.html
http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1773&p=35092

A plagiarist?

Maybe lux is right, this was a bot. Pretty amazing stupid annoying bots they have.

[simonshack]

Anyone turning up here dumping an avalanche of wordy posts (such as this Scotty Baldwin) will be instantly blocked and all posts will be deleted.

[brianv]

Anyone turning up here dumping an avalanche of wordy posts (such as this Scotty Baldwin) will be instantly blocked and all posts will be deleted.

I'm glad to see the mods are awake to what is happening to the board!