REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

[hoi.polloi]

Wow.

You know, I thought this was a discussion forum for the events of 9-11, and in good will I simply followed the instructions to introduce myself upon joining - meaning that I tell something about where I'm from or my life, etc. So, I did.

Nowhere in my introduction did I say ANYTHING about supporting the war or the MSM.

In fact, there are a great many people just like me who are family members of active-duty military and also the military members themselves who do NOT support the war, the MSM, and false left-right paradigm in our political system. But, you will never get to learn this because you so rudely make assumptions that are totally unjustified.

Who the hell are YOU? I don't know you, but I sure as hell didn't show up and start insulting you with some backhanded compliment about "...with all due respect, but you really must be an idiot."

There are probably a great many things I could share with you that would edify you about the morale and thoughts of our troops on the topic of 9-11, as well as what really goes on in AFG, and in the Muslim culture itself that NEVER make it to the MSM, but I wouldn't consider that now after you being a total asshole to me.

I sincerely regret signing up to this forum, and you are a huge embarrassment to Simon Shack's terrific work in his films.

The only one around here with a screw loose is YOU.

Please cancel my membership.

I may be an embarrassment to Simon Shack's terrific work, but I will not accept that you are waiting for a polite and kind world to appear before you share your embarrassment to Simon Shack's terrific work. I am not simply waiting around for that world because I know that the human race is part of making it happen. Share your edifying knowledge in some way. Always. Who cares if it's on this site, but at least share it somewhere. What's holding you back? A welcoming committee with banners and horns? There are people dying horrible unjust deaths for no good reason!

You have made it clear you don't support unjust wars. That is awesome. But why? What's your story? If you don't expect a bit of jostling and impropriety, how do you expect to know who is feeding you a mountain of candy-coated bullshit?

Nowhere in my posts did I literally call you an idiot. I was trying to ask you a moderately rhetorical question about the stupidness of joining the military. But since you think I was calling you an idiot, (which I was not and am not) are you also in the military then? If so, what service and why didn't you mention it earlier?

I think you will find this place more edifying than you assume, if you give it time and dig through the ugly bits. I am sorry that I so often have to be the ugly side of things just to defend this forum from useless distracting nonsense or paid "PsyOperative" ramblings. It's partially why I have distanced myself from this enterprise. It is horribly rude.

Believe it or not, I care for a number of people in the military and I would still ask them the same question. I am not polite on this forum. This forum doesn't need the level of politeness I think you are expecting. And I know something else about our military - if you really have a husband in the Navy you would understand where I am coming from, unless he just hasn't shared that side of his experiences.

But honestly, how can we regret unsubscribing you if you never show you're worth having on a forum like this? At least give it a try and answer some challenging questions and prove you are legit.

Or better yet, fuck the credibility game and actually post something useful you discovered about the media that will help open people's eyes. Are you planning on going to your grave with your special information because people weren't "nice" enough to you? What's the password? Seriously!

[brianv]

I should have read hoi's response "to the child murdering heroes in AFG" before posting.

As regards "the events of 9-11" , they demolished some old buildings and blamed some small brown people in a far away land, which I'm sure every US uniformed Terrorist knew the next day!

[nonhocapito]

superdoodle: what you may not perceive, is that buried in the thousands of posts of this forum are documented plenty of situations where members with ties to the military proved to be untrustworthy in the long run, and demonstrated to have come here with an agenda rather than joining our discussion and research with good faith.

I think that Hoi's intention was to let you know that, simply, we are not favorably impressed by someone with a military background: we are spooked and bothered by it.

So, on one hand, I commend you for being open about it -- but on the other hand you should be aware that this is not helping your initial credibility on this forum. Which doesn't mean we are not accepting your contribution, but maybe that the initial steps will be a little harder for you. It is up to you to win everyone's attention or respect.

If you stick around, which I hope you will manage to do, you will eventually see how much of the research on media fakery has been tainted by the efforts of military people to pollute and direct it and give it some ideological connotation etcetera.

And not only "media fakery", as there are many examples of people with military ties in the american counter-culture that today can be considered, almost with certainty, people who pretended to join certain causes with a secret agenda (from William Cooper to Frank Zappa, so to speak).

[MarioOnTheFly]

Hi everybody,

Let's do the quick intro you asked for.

real name: Mario
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
occupation: IT (DBA)
age: 36
research experience: to be honest, most of my online writing is based on common sense. Like most people probably, I am drawn to the unexplained , mysterious and the conspiracies of course. Though often these three subjects appear to be one and the same.
I have done most of my research on 9/11, Apollo, Ancient World History....aaaand the unavoidable UFO phenomenon. So, it's the basic stuff pretty much.

I found out about this site from ATS, one of the members posted the link to this page. First thing I opened was the video...the digital simulation. After watching the video, I was intrigued. I must say it was different than all 9/11 videos I've seen so far. Spent my day at work today mostly reviewing some of your forum posts. I must admit...some of the stuff sounds pretty fantastic, borderline believable for me. But I have a pretty open mind and am willing to hear all options.

Anyway...hope I can contribute

[Q_prime]

Are you a native French speaker?

Yes, French is my native language.

[nonhocapito]

I found out about this site from ATS, one of the members posted the link to this page.

Welcome to the forum, and forgive the stupid question: What's "ATS"? Can you post a link to the page in question?

[MarioOnTheFly]

Sure...It's http://abovetopsecret.com. There are many posts there linking to your site.

[sublimity]

Sure...It's http://abovetopsecret.com. There are many posts there linking to your site.

Just curious, but you said you researched UFO's - What conclusion have you come to, in regards to that subject? Seems to me, media fakery and UFO's go hand-in-hand. What about the digital simulation video did you have trouble believing?

[simonshack]

Seems to me, media fakery and UFO's go hand-in-hand.

Care to elaborate, dear Sublimity?

[whatsgoingon]

I'd say the media are not so bold to fake UFOs, but Larry King talks about them or perhaps suggests things about them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVoIT3KRYI But no imagery seems apparent in the mainstream media.

[MarioOnTheFly]

Just curious, but you said you researched UFO's - What conclusion have you come to, in regards to that subject? Seems to me, media fakery and UFO's go hand-in-hand. What about the digital simulation video did you have trouble believing?

Well, it's not that I have trouble believing...it's just a fresh angle to me. Still trying to grasp the magnitude of the deception if all that stuff is true. I was pushing for a conspiracy always...but this suggests far deeper sickness of the criminals that I had even dreamed. Still settling after seeing the video. One thing is for certain...plenty of good research and undeniable evidence. One thing I have trouble a bit is the victims. I haven't yet gone through all the material...there is a lot as far as I've seen...but are you saying that NO BODY died ? Or is that just a working theory?

As far as UFO's, I like to speculate, there is certainly a massive amount of faked material on the net. One must be careful if you don't want to be taken for a fool. I'm a true believer in Alien existance, but i think many UFO are earthly...one way or the other. But at some point this advanced technology had get to our hands, weather given, stolen or found.

[sublimity]

Seems to me, media fakery and UFO's go hand-in-hand.

Care to elaborate, dear Sublimity?

Sure, Simon. I suppose that statement is broad. I'd be glad to re-phrase what I meant. I approach the topic of UFO's the same way one would here, with fakery in the media in general. How can we trust the imagery we are being shown? Not that people don't happen to look up in the sky and see something strange that they can't identify now & then, but if there's one thing the collective research on this forum has taught me, it's when something spectacular happens, the media runs with it and seemingly has complete control over the imagery- it tends to be in the same vein as all of the other simulated events they create and manage. Especially with UFO's, there is always that veiled threat of Planet X and 2012 end-of-the-world propaganda. The end goal being to scare us into submission or selling whatever war or new regulations they want to impose upon us. Who says some, most, or all of what we see on TV or in the papers, isn't just faked? Or military technology we just don't know about yet? I personally have found that field to be confusing to navigate, as the available evidence is visual, which we all know, imagery is suspect in the age of digital manipulation and everything else becomes hearsay.

I hope that is a bit clearer!

[sublimity]

I'd say the media are not so bold to fake UFOs, but Larry King talks about them or perhaps suggests things about them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVoIT3KRYI But no imagery seems apparent in the mainstream media.

There's never dodgy footage being played almost everytime we hear of some mysterious lights or objects in the sky? Phoenix Lights, China UFO's? I know I've seen plenty of these kinds of videos on the news. I'm not explicitly stating they have completely fabricated these things, just that we can't buy into whatever imagery we see, as you well know. Even if we're told certain 'footage' comes from amateurs, we obviously can't be sure. We've definitely run into that lie before, and If these are visitors from another planet or galaxy, would they even tell us the truth? Either way, it seems beneficial for them to sell the unknown as spooky. That's just my take on all of the UFO madness. Maybe there is some sort of truth to it and they just keep the public confused and under a thick cloud of BS? Since I don't know, and have learned to treat things like this as though they have the capability to fake or heavily manipulate what we see.

[whatsgoingon]

Well certainly people make money on Roswell and other things like Area51 and alien-joke tourism and the like. There was ET the movie and "Close encounters of the 3rd kind". Well TPTB sure do make money on aliens, but I would say not much credible, believable evidence has been put forth by the media. However, Larry King and others are stoking the fire. They are testing the waters to see if they can con the public with alien PsyOps. Sinking ships and Islamic terrorists are no longer exciting for the bored public -- the money is made in the new excitement -- since that is how human nature and curiosity work. TPTB like to make money off the sheep in the most efficient way possible.

[MarioOnTheFly]

Well certainly people make money on Roswell and other things like Area51 and alien-joke tourism and the like. There was ET the movie and "Close encounters of the 3rd kind". Well TPTB sure do make money on aliens, but I would say not much credible, believable evidence has been put forth by the media. However, Larry King and others are stoking the fire. They are testing the waters to see if they can con the public with alien PsyOps. Sinking ships and Islamic terrorists are no longer exciting for the bored public -- the money is made in the new excitement -- since that is how human nature and curiosity work. TPTB like to make money off the sheep in the most efficient way possible.

Sure they make money off it. UFO phenomenon is very popular nowadays. It's the circus with all it's clowns. But some are genuine, cases are world wide spread. Some very highly positioned people have come out and testified about what they saw. Since mainstream public still thinks of the phenomenon as a fantasy crazy kooks made up, there is a stigma that comes with publicly stating a belief in UFO's. Yet these people have risked ridicule and came out publicly.

But I agree, there is much garbage out there.