THE "CHATBOX"

[pdgalles]

Thanks again, pdg, will certainly look him up.

On another note/topic, i have recently seen on Yahoo! UK an article regarding Lottery winners.

I have played the lottery when i lived in UK and/or visited but haven't done so for a number of years.

Seeing the article brough back 'pangs' of 'if only it was me!' yada, yada, yada.

Anyway, on the link below is the latest 'couple' who have won GBP45 million and another couple from Jul'11 who won just over GBP 161.5 million!!!

The pictures look, well, fake.

Does anyone think this is another ploy by TPTB to mislead/misdirect the public into thinking there is a way out of their misery other than by their own endeavours or rallying around the community spirit and have people collectively try and improve their 'lot'?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-ticketholder-scoops-£45m-euromillions-jackpot.html

When I first found this forum, as I said in my introductory post, I took a close look at local news and saw the same fakery as exists on an international news level with events such as 9/11, Breivik and Costa Concordia. Simulated characters or just actors involved in murders, terror plots and disasters.

I also considered the lottery and in my opinion, yes, the UK lottery is fake as far as the main winners - actors in my view. I haven't looked at this for over six months now but at the time I noticed a trend where winners lived in very rural areas with few neighbours, i.e. it's easy to invent a winner when no one could confirm/deny their existence.

Media fakery seems to exist on so many levels, so a fake lottery is no real surprise, is it?

Edit: just noticed this comment on the article you linked to, proving that as a nation of cynics many people do not buy in to the media hype/lies, even without a visit to Clues Forum:

i won £37 got a kebab and some cans it changed my life for 4 days as got food poisoning

Hi PD

I thought about this Lottery scam possibility years ago-i just wondered how they could get away with it regarding the winners. The Euromillions Lottery is even more open to corruption and fakery. ITV have fooled us with their fake winners of their phone in comps-I.E. coining in all the prize money and announcing fake winners...-so, they try it on different levels. Big Brother, Xfactor also, probably fake phone-ins where the winner is known in advance.

Dare i mention Children in Need, Sport Relief, Live Aid?

There is an itv r ch4 documentary about several of the lottery winners. I have the feeling that there be genuine winners amongst the fake ones.

I have a question for you regarding the lottery:

if you won the jackpot, would you still live in your current home?

Philip

I wondered why you asked me this, then I thought it was a rhetorical question but reading my post back I now assume you were referring to my comment about winners living in rural areas. If I have interpreted your question correctly, then to clarify I meant that I noticed that lottery winners lived in rural areas prior to winning, i.e. they had not moved to a rural area post lottery win in an attempt to "get away from it all."

If the question was just a general one, then I have no answer as I have never "played" the lottery.

I haven't done any real analysis of the lottery, as I said I just took a brief look at some winners around the time.

[philipsmovies]

"I wondered why you asked me this, then I thought it was a rhetorical question but reading my post back I now assume you were referring to my comment about winners living in rural areas. If I have interpreted your question correctly, then to clarify I meant that I noticed that lottery winners lived in rural areas prior to winning, i.e. they had not moved to a rural area post lottery win in an attempt to "get away from it all."
If the question was just a general one, then I have no answer as I have never "played" the lottery.
I haven't done any real analysis of the lottery, as I said I just took a brief look at some winners around the time"

Hi pdgalles

The question was meant to be straight forward but i will re-phrase it:

Q if you came into a windfall of £500,000 ( a payment from a secret organisation) for pretending to be a lottery winner-would you move from your present home?

Sometimes when i ask questions i aim to get more answers and hopefully expand the discussion.

It is harder to suspect or detect people if they allegedly live in a rural area. As we get very little information on the so called lottery winners-this makes it more difficult to prove they are fake or not. This i feel plays into the hands of the organisers who feel it is easier to get away with this type of scam. I hardly ever play the lottery, all i know is that if you win you have the right to be anonymous.

Personally i feel that the lotto and euromillions lotteries are scams but i am only following my intuition on this as there is very little information to go on.

[fbenario]

Nice. A CNN employee!

CNN producer third person this year to win Georgia lottery for second time

The most recent two-time winner is CNN producer Jennifer Hauser, 29, of Atlanta. Playing the instant scratch off game 50X The Money, Hauser took home a check for $1 million. Incredibly, Hauser's win came less than three months after she took home a $100,000 prize on another state lotto game, Georgia Lottery Black.

"I was a little numb," Hauser told the Atlanta Journal Constitution. "I didn't know what to think."

Hauser says she used the first prize to buy a new car and pay off some bills and is thinking of buying her Mom a car with the second, larger payoff.

The odds of winning any lottery are already incredibly slim, but the odds of winning a second time are astronomical.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/cn ... 40037.html

[fbenario]

Dinosaur jr w/ Marshall 4x12 stacks in the tiny Planet X in Liverpool didnt help much either...

You are right about that! J.Mascis (aka Dino Jr.) totally rocks. And is loud as all get out - especially when covering The Cure!


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opGVdOIeuUQ

This guitar could strip wallpaper off the wall.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkO1PZ7aBi8

[pshea38]

Nice. A CNN employee!

CNN producer third person this year to win Georgia lottery for second time

The most recent two-time winner is CNN producer Jennifer Hauser, 29, of Atlanta. Playing the instant scratch off game 50X The Money, Hauser took home a check for $1 million. Incredibly, Hauser's win came less than three months after she took home a $100,000 prize on another state lotto game, Georgia Lottery Black.

"I was a little numb," Hauser told the Atlanta Journal Constitution. "I didn't know what to think."

Hauser says she used the first prize to buy a new car and pay off some bills and is thinking of buying her Mom a car with the second, larger payoff.

The odds of winning any lottery are already incredibly slim, but the odds of winning a second time are astronomical.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/cn ... 40037.html

Cracking The Scratch Lottery Code

[hoi.polloi]

If the winners are invented, it would be reasonable to use them over and over, no?

[Mickey]

Her palm is bigger than typical men. 2 "Rambo" fingers of left hand is obviously the best way to hold and support a 4'x2' cardboard instead of the palm.

That whole article about "Mohan Srivastava" is absolute horsepoo. Do a custom search on google with date ranges 1/1/2002 to 12/31/2010 and see if you get any hit about this "Stanford" and "MIT" grad. You guessed it right 0 times and that face/appearance is 0% Indian. LinkedIn gives 0 results for this name based in Canada. Just another hoax meant to rationalize the looting machine that is the lottery where fake winners have been splashed in mainstream and alternate media for a long time to rob people of their money in broad daylight with their own consent.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[simonshack]

Her palm is bigger than typical men. 2 "Rambo" fingers of left hand is obviously the best way to hold and support a 4'x2' cardboard instead of the palm.

Is her right hand human?
Also, how can her right hand tips project an almost invisible shadow - while the rest of her hand projects a very dark shadow?

http://www.lotterypost.com/news/242545

[hoi.polloi]

The lottery is obviously a gigantic hoax.

Something I've been thinking about recently is the esoteric meaning of our forum. (Why not subject our symbols of truth to the same ridiculous self-congratulating mythos that the perps enjoy when constructing their lies?)

If you just take the words September and Clues, you can devise a lot.

September, like all months after the gregorian calendar's Roman Gods peter out, are simply named after numbers.

Sept means 7, Oct means 8, Nov means 9 and Dec means 10. It seems there never appeared a "undicember" or "dodicember" to fill in the 11th and 12th months because July (after Julius) and August (after Augustus) were squeezed into a ten-month arrangement. (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/history-of-august.html)

So initially, there were ten months and they would make up the difference by ... well, waiting for the Earth to catch up to their calendar. Sounds pretty silly right? Well on the contrary, some might say it's silly that we live such a regimented life that never takes a break from "counting together" semi-arbitrary time units.

In any case, there might've been a Pentember (5) and Sextember (6) or somesuch if not for July and August but skipping the point of my rant.

"September" is the first month in the calendar that is based on Math and Reason (however flawed they are) as opposed to superstition or the threat of Gods' wills. It is merely a number, "seven", and has no implied ritual, rite or religion attached. The only thing 'funny' about it is that the year would have to start with March (after Mars) if we counted back to "one". January (after Janus/Mars) or February (after Februa/purification) would have to be tacked onto the end. Just as well.

You might playfully interpret the "Clue" in the name "September" to be a look at the fact that the subtext of our calendar is that the military's "secret" year based on Latin and ancient Roman imperial order begins in March/Mars - the God of War, whereas our year - the "common" year is a two-faced God. You might note that Janus' two faces imply two truths - one for the public and one for the clandestine societies.

Would the symbol of the grand hoax have played any differently had it been 7/11 rather than 9/11? Well, first of all, it would resemble the symbol of a cheap formerly popular Gas Station in the USA known as 7-11.

7-11 is a private company whose primary purpose is to sell gas. The physical semiotics of a 7-11 gas station is "pepsi cola",
"cheap", "sugar", "junk food", "outdated", "old", "funny", "oil", "fuel" and "gas". Could the underlying "military" symbol of the hoaxed terrorist "attack" actually be about the outdated technology of gasoline and our rapidly approaching lack of oil sources - specifically as it relates to America?

If so, then "September" isn't just a number anymore. We have transformed it into a symbol of penetrating the face of illusion and challenging it to stand up to the facts and reality those illusions are based on. In this case, the "basis" is cheap oil and cheap technology and cheap consumerism that creates the computers needed to render the magical illusion of bad science that lied to the world.

Lying is easy. You can say something that you know isn't true and make someone hold that thought in their head as a possibility. Lying to the WORLD takes technology.

All the hoaxes - terrorist and otherwise - fall under the category of a technological skirmish. ALL OF THAT TECHNOLOGY is based on oil and its cheap net energy gain versus the aggression/energy used to get it. Remember how the American troops sent to Iraq were given cheap armor? For the commanders, it's all about net energy gain versus net energy loss. To maximize the "gain" they spent less money on protecting their troops. Who needs to protect them anyway? They're just sacrificing themselves for a dying empire as they are told to do.

Another symbol of September is the number in the word itself. Seven is a kind of spiritual number and represents the base chakra at your seat. There are only seven basic chakras that are like the "important" ones. There is no "ninth basic chakra". So if you are talking about basic chakras, seven means being grounded. I think we pride ourselves on this site for being "grounded" and not delving too deep into symbology and things (with the exception of this post, of course - ha!)

The crown, the chakra of the "Higher Self" or Godhead would also be seven if you are counting from the lowest chakra. Nine doesn't really have a chakra unless you are talking about "the twelve chakras", so it's kind of a fantasy. Interestingly, "seven" in the 12-chakra arrangement represents the throat and represents telling the truth and the health of the voice and the voice of your society. "nine" and "eleven" represent "creation energy" and "connection to all of life" respectively. Another indication that 9/11 "in old language" is actually kind of saying "skip the tenth chakra - the one that protects higher thought processes - and jump right from creating to connecting our creation to your worldview and your compassion".

Our site's name might be expanded to read: "Clues for staying grounded in the month of telling the truth and discussing our technological past, present and future" and that is a great antithesis to the perps' "This is the month of hype, fantasy, ignoring higher mind and having sympathy for creative hoaxes."

But the truth is I just pulled all of that out of my ass, just like the perps do every day. I offer this mountain of bullshit I just made up as my sacrifice to the month of purification. Happy February!

[SmokingGunII]

I live in the Uk, do not do the lottery, but know of two people that have become millionaires through the lottery. One winner was a Mother and daughter combo that worked with a friend. They won just over a million a good few years back. Their office went out to celebrate at lunchtime and they never bought a round of drinks!

2nd winner was more recent and won over 4 million. Despite treating his extended family generously and taking them all to Florida on an all expenses paid holiday, I understand that they are not satisfied with his handouts. He is so pissed off he will probably emigrate to Spain, where he has already bought a property.

So the lottery does have genuine winners, but the premis that some winners are fabrications isn't too difficult to imagine.

[hoi.polloi]

I am just thinking of the time I watched on Italian TV as an obviously pre-rendered animation of "random numbers" came up on the screen on New Year's as my family watched with baited breath and a lotto ticket in each's hand. It was entirely silly and entirely rigged.

Good to hear the UK isn't as pathetic, SmokingGunII.

[pshea38]

I am just thinking of the time I watched on Italian TV as an obviously pre-rendered animation of "random numbers" came up on the screen on New Year's as my family watched with baited breath and a lotto ticket in each's hand. It was entirely silly and entirely rigged.

Good to hear the UK isn't as pathetic, SmokingGunII.

Dolores McNamara was the biggest ever winner(100M+) of the euromillions lottery
She grew up a few streets down from where my mother grew up.
Her family is well known in the area.
http://www.google.com/search?q=dolores+mcnamara&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7RNSM_en

[whatsgoingon]

The lottery is mathematically and statistically a scam. No need to be fake about it, but I am sure they are. There can be real winners, but what if most were fake and the lottery ticket funds were skimmed to politicians as bribes. Who knows?

Remember the modus operandi of many "convincing" PsyOps. They require real artefacts in the real world -- like half sunken ships and controlled demolition skyscrapers or pentagon facade explosions.

In any case, the excesses of the lottery reinforce the deviant ruling class elites that run the world. From rags to riches. That is the American Dream -- which is the biggest hoax in World History.

Dolores McNamara looks like she fits the ruling elite mold. In America, her tax rate paid would drop suddenly to less than a hairstylist or welder or teacher. Ah the sweet life.

[hoi.polloi]

I could believe that some of it's a scam and some of it's real. That's how lies usually operate.

[brianv]

I could believe that some of it's a scam and some of it's real. That's how lies usually operate.

Here in Ireland for instance, the Big Jackpot winner's name's are not published, which is quite convenient if you are running a scam, but I do know of a few lesser winners including my brother who won €6000.

Dolores = "Means "sorrows", taken from the Spanish title of the Virgin Mary María de los Dolores, meaning "Mary of Sorrows"."

MacNaMara = Means "Son of the Seas" or simply "Of the Seas"

"Mary" is always associated with the Sea, Mara(Mary) = Sea as in Maratime, so MacNaMara. La Mér, Mother, Mary, The Sea.

In other words Dolores MacNaMara = ... Mary Mary

Who might be said to be wearing a... (Truth) Crown on her Head (Simon!!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady,_Star_of_the_Sea