Costa Concordia incident, Friday 13 Jan 2012

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Re: Costa Concordia

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simonshack wrote:
warriorhun wrote:
What's your take on it?
I just LOVE your socially-focused, almost romantic sex-take on it, Warriorhun! :P

However, I'm afraid it's got to do with the very boring, sleazy ol' human money-making addiction...


Six Costa Concordia passengers reportedly sue for $460 million

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/28 ... 0-million/
I agree. Just as with the Oslo, etc., money seems to be the main motive for this BS.
The chivaly vs cowardice asshole behavior was probably just a modern day subplot added to the old Titanic shit. It makes me wonder if these opportunistic turds are just copycatting or inspired by other hoaxes...:unsure: doesn't matter if they've been exposed as such, they seem to still be successful and lucrative as far they're concerned, so why not?
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On a slightly related topic I was talking with a colleague the other day who told me that the CC's sister ship operates in and around the Arabian Gulf and is know to 'berth' in odd/small coves and bays in and around Oman.

Whilst we were talking about the CC as well, he mentioned that the 'yard' where the CC was commissioned owned/operated by Fincantieri has a policy wherein its ships have to be 'captained' by Italians with the senior offices to be Italian too.

This was the case with Ferries operating between the UK and Rep. of Ireland and there were a few incidents which occurred which shouldn't have with the Italian crews.

Note that apparently ships operated by Spanish companies in the same area didn't have anywhere near [or even any] incidents or issues with crewmanship.

The problem this caused [possibly] was that the Captains of these vessels are 'fast-tracked' and made up to Captain in order to keep up with demand.
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Re: Costa Concordia

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Look out for the on-line version of the Channel Four documentary "Terror at Sea" (see http://www.channel4.com/programmes/terr ... -concordia)

Very interesting....lots and lots of passenger videophone footage (I just watched the live UK broadcast over the last hour, and I hope/assume it will be available on 4OD shortly...)

Here's the documentary commssioning announcement:

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news ... cordia-doc
Channel 4 Commissions Costa Concordia Doc
18/01/2012

Channel 4 Commissioning Editor David Glover has ordered a one-off, fast-turnaround doc about the cruise ship tragedy from Dragonfly TV - Terror at Sea: The Sinking of the Concordia for tx on Tuesday 31st January at 8pm.

Piecing together the evidence, this special one-off film for Channel 4 is going to explore the events leading up to this enormous cruise ship hitting a sandbar off the Italian island of Giglio Porto with devastating consequences.

With a capacity of 3780 passengers and at an impressive 290m long and 31m high, the ship was a palace of the ocean. So how did this boat, hailed as a glorious example of modern technology sink? And why do some critics say the design of these ‘mega cruisers' is dangerous? These are just some of the questions this film will examine as it tries to understand how, after a century of safety measures and technological advances, a ship with so many passengers can sink.

Using CGI and testimonial, this film will recreate a minute by minute account of the timeline to tragedy - featuring exclusive interviews with survivors, rescuers and world renowned experts. Using images of the wreck and footage captured by people on board that night, the horror of the sinking will be recounted and analysed. Featuring eyewitness and expert interviews, this film will try to get to the truth of the disaster that unfolded that night.

David Glover said: "The Costa Concordia was 69ft longer and two and a half times heavier than the Titanic. One hundred years on it will be interesting to see what has really changed."

Dragonfly Creative Director Simon Dickson and Head of Specialist Factual & Features Mark Roberts are executive producers.
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Re: Costa Concordia

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It seems another, very young, captain was aboard CC at the time of the incident – Captain Bosio.
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http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... isgraceful
And Bosio didn’t like the the actual Master. Bosio is the hero! Etc, etc. The plot thickens! :rolleyes:

PS In lieu of taking the train or car to go home in 5-6 hrs, Bosio took the ship ... so he could sleep!
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Re: Costa Concordia

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simonshack wrote:*


"This is not happening!" - alleged "Amateur video"



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcrBboNWVZ8

Try and loop this video between 0:32 and 0:34. Are those people composited into that scenery?
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Didn't the officials say there was only 2 Americans on the ship? The Heils? From the video, there are at least 3 (presumably 4) Americans.. the black haired woman, her boyfriend/husband, and Steve and Cathy..

Can we find out who supposedly shot that video? If it wasn't the Heils- we have too many Americans, and if it was the Heils, we still have too many Americans.
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Re: Costa Concordia

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Don't forget that a North American accent doesn't automatically make them US citizens, some could be Canadian or even non-North American but only residents.
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pov603 wrote:Don't forget that a North American accent doesn't automatically make them US citizens, some could be Canadian or even non-North American but only residents.
How many Canadians were on board the ship?

I am an American, and they sound American to me.
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Re: Costa Concordia

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I dont remember there being a eUnion flag on the side of CC lol (or the 13 windows/life rafts)

From here..


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C390b83eADOEgsToPDskKrrEH2HdkwzNHhHYwcVEQW

The forum's instincts about the main of this story being a crock of shit are I think spot on.

Put 'costa concordia evacuation' into youtube and you seem to get loads of stuff when actually there is only a tiny handful of items. Many of them rehashed news items. Like the bullshit fairy tale from Utoya, we are now 20 years behind in a realm before digital cameras and mobiles with camera/video.

There is this one..check out Mr. cool at 1.23


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTHwz9CfZqU

The biggest hit for costa concordia evacuation is actually a different ship getting hit by a big wave.


This is a ship. Passengers etc. who knows exactly.. but the story of this ship hitting an unknown rock in waters that have been navigated for 3000 years and the manner of it's capsize and arrival at the island would win a bullshit olympic medal.

The ship actually keeling over? come on really, everyone missed that..

Utoya and CC are like weird inverse mirrors of eachother. Island symbolism. For one group of young people the island is their doom as they are trapped on it. For another group of old people, the island is their salvation.

Brevik born on the 13th (feb)


Oak Island money pit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Island

Connection to masonic degree 13..and a big stone.

quote "9. The parallels between Masonic symbolism (particularly as encapsulated in the 13th Degree, which was formerly the basis of the Holy Royal Arch Degree) and the Oak Island Money Pit legend as it has come down to us are striking. In my view, there are just simply too
many parallels for it to be a coincidence. The clincher to my way of thinking is the porphyry stone with hieroglyphic characters on it and purportedly found at about 90 feet down in the money pit by the Onslow Syndicate in the early 1800s; this is a classic example of Masonic
symbolism, especially the translation which alludes to the traditional Masonic motif of "an ear of corn near to a fall of water". The reason why the porphyry stone with hieroglyphic characters is classic Masonic symbolism is that the porphyry stone features prominently in the Masonic side degree known as the Royal Ark Marriners, and stones engraved with non English characters feature in a number of Masonic degrees including the Mark Master Masons degree.
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http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/masonic.shtml

Thanks NK. for message. I couldnt message you back )
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Re: Costa Concordia

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As I mentioned earlier, has anyone else watched the 1hr British television programme broadcast yesterday on Channel Four? It contains a lot of video footage of what is claimed to be on the Concordia at various points during the incident...though inevitably this doesn't include the roll-over moment.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/terr ... -concordia(this is the online 4OD - "four on demand" streaming video service)

There are some very-interesting points to note from it, and I would ask people here, please, to watch it, especially the "Cluesforum DayTrippers".

It includes a lot of Costa sales video content pre-incident, plus many apparent deck shots of assembled passengers during the reported evacuation. The displayed quality of the coastguard video seems a lot higher-res, and I *think* that there may be a video photo-neg flip-over visible during it. It also uses a lot of overt CGI wireframe animations of the ship's stucture, and purports to show in a very-unsubtle fashion the exact way in which the radiotelephone conversation between the Captain and the Coastguard Commander was tapped (I have technical reasons to doubt this)

But it is really worth watching. I'd like to hear opinions of a few other critical imagery skeptics before I post more on this.
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Re: Costa Concordia

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icarusinbound wrote:As I mentioned earlier, has anyone else watched the 1hr British television programme broadcast yesterday on Channel Four? It contains a lot of video footage of what is claimed to be on the Concordia at various points during the incident...though inevitably this doesn't include the roll-over moment.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/terr ... -concordia(this is the online 4OD - "four on demand" streaming video service)

There are some very-interesting points to note from it, and I would ask people here, please, to watch it, especially the "Cluesforum DayTrippers".

It includes a lot of Costa sales video content pre-incident, plus many apparent deck shots of assembled passengers during the reported evacuation. The displayed quality of the coastguard video seems a lot higher-res, and I *think* that there may be a video photo-neg flip-over visible during it. It also uses a lot of overt CGI wireframe animations of the ship's stucture, and purports to show in a very-unsubtle fashion the exact way in which the radiotelephone conversation between the Captain and the Coastguard Commander was tapped (I have technical reasons to doubt this)

But it is really worth watching. I'd like to hear opinions of a few other critical imagery skeptics before I post more on this.

Hmmmm. If I was connected to Carnival Cruises I would ask dragonfly TV to stick away from the subject of a certain capsized boat in case it might prejudice my case.

I would ask them to stick with what they know...

which includes the following :

how to kill a celebrity
britains next boss
the event how racist are you
super botox me
polygamous wives
transvestite wives
sex lice and videotapes

and on and on

The horrible details are here...

http://www.dragonfly.tv/productions.php ... umentaries
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I used to like channel 4 but now they are an authority on what exactly ??

Are they the same people who did not run with the 911 faked footage??

are they the same people who called out the fake events on 77 and Utoya?

dragonfly tv who made this are actually part of the ' shine' group ??

Who are these people ????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_Limited

Quote "

Shine Limited was founded in March 2001 by Elisabeth Murdoch, daughter of News Corporation CEO Rupert Murdoch. The company was 80 percent owned by Elisabeth Murdoch, 15 percent by Lord Alli, and 5 percent by BSkyB, who signed a deal guaranteeing to buy an agreed amount of Shine programming for two years.[1]
Shine Limited is also a supplier of franchise television to broadcasters across the globe including the BBC, Five, Channel 4, HBO and the RTL Group. In 2006 they acquired Kudos Film and Television, Princess Productions and Dragonfly to create the Shine Group, although they still operate as four separate entities.
Shine acquired Reveille Productions in 2008. News Corporation acquired the Shine Group on April 5, 2011 for £415 million.[2] US pension funds who are shareholders in News Corporation are suing the company accusing the Mr. Murdoch of nepotism."

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Re: Costa Concordia

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Heiwa wrote:I have a feeling Italian police has arrested the wrong man responsible for the incident. :angry:
I think you should also allow for a different hypothesis, Heiwa: that the things are going like they are going because everything is happening according to some plan, with the complicity of Carnival cruises, of mr Schettino, and of a number of other agents and actors involved. And I am not saying we can be completely sure of this, but I think this thread proves that there are many reasons to believe that, once again, a big disaster is being using for psy-op/scam purposes. Because it is so damn easy to do, apparently. And this connects to my second point:
Heiwa wrote:I have no idea what is the position of Italy's civil protection agency. I thought it provided assistance at earth quakes and to such victims, handing out warm clothing, etc, which are more frequent in Italy than speeding cruise ship owners. Of course, they were a bit slow to provide immediate assistance to the 4 200 survivors of Costa Concordia. But later, when Simon and I visited the island, they were there in force. Watching us! :rolleyes:
The role of the civil protection agency is supposed to be one of "coordination" between the too many first-responders/security forces that exist in Italy. In a scenario like this one, you have: Polizia; Carabinieri; Guardia di Finanza; Vigili del Fuoco all working on the same scene and, notoriously, not getting along with each other, but rather fighting for the attention of the media etc. No entity supersedes the others unless by government decree, and the government does not want to cross anyone.

If you think about it, this makes it even easier in a country like Italy to enact a fake event: all it takes is to control one or two or the forces involved - and use those to create confusion, slow things down, plant false evidence, cover up events etcetera.

It must be noted that a similar division in factions exist within the judicial system, where magistrates and local tribunals work to undermine each others, which is why big political-mafia lawyers always try to move their cases elsewhere to get them completely overturned. Since the beginning of time, the weak spot of Italy has always been its fratricidal nature.

Let's not forget how the past summer we have caught the italian polizia red-handed enacting fake riots in the center of Rome. If you have one or two generals of chiefs of polizia on your payroll, you can stage these things even against the knowledge or interest of the government. And if you are a foreign entity interested in undermining Italy on the international theater, this is exactly the way you should operate, I think.
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Re: Costa Concordia

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Conconcordia...

There are three 'survivors' that are used to narrate right the way through the programme: all identified by the voice-over as being part of the Concordia's dance troupe: a Joe Stribley, Kirsty Cheslin-Nuttall, and a Rose Metcalf (who looks like a morphed version of Cat Deeley, which is a British cultural reference that may be lost in translation). These thespians must have a visible profile on the web and elsewhere, surely?? Joe Stribley's self-confessed farcical 'fear of water' sets a surreal tabloid tone near the start.

Much of the programme definitely appears to have been made within an Italian coastguard facility, and there is a merciless blend of moody dark reconstruction shots that have been shot as being ersatz 'on location', cross-cutting to 'amateur survivor' footage.

At the start of the programme, there is a lengthy sweeping sequence using marketing footage from the ship's owners, very similar to the regal tracking shots created in the movie 'Titanic'. The entire segment appears to either be entirely CGI, or composite. Check the friendly face of the barman...Image
....which almost becomes human, as he offers-up a 'port and starboard' pair of cocktails..

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The scene is set, the impossibly-decadent interiors are (apparently) what we see.

Schettino, in the pugilistic composite captain pose is shown as a still at 06min01sec

Lots of dramatic reconstruction studio-quality static shots taken onboard *some* ship and in a coastguard control room. .

At 06min37secs interestingly, there is what is hinted as being previous Concordia 'island salute' footage labelled Aug 2011, and to me the size/position of the small lighthouse makes the location footage look very-similar to being Giglio itself (scene setting? footage?). Worth noting that the apparent lighting profile in terms of lit/unlit decks back in the August footage appears identical to the semi-rolled shots of the vessel (kudos to those emergency generators, maybe?).

07mins35sec shows the *only* footage I've seen which appears to show passengers indoors and in a group (ie not on-deck, not wearing life-preservers, and not in corridors) once the panic is running, this in a dining room. Very 'Gotham City' camera angles, interesting high proportion of empty tables with undisturbed chairs. Redcoat waiters operatically waving people up and out into bright sunlit(?) external stairs at 08min34secs, recut and reprise at 09min01secs, but I consider there is a gappy lack of passengers and disproportionately loud levels of sound (perhaps the impression is trying to be conveyed of a busier location than it really is?)

At 09min17sec a Captain Nick Bates, credited as a former Captain on QE2 liner, is introduced as a maritime expert for gravitas, and he sits in front of what looks to be a very-analogue video edit suit with a couple of assemble monitors showing what may be the Condordia (more S-VHS era kit than even FinalCut Pro)

The first of two mature British passenger couples are introduced: a named 'Viv and Derek Ebbage' at 10min28sec (research opportunity...)

There is also a British singer, named Amelia Leon, who claims her Costa-crewman boyfriend "had babies thrown at him to save" (see this link )

A highly-suspect jointed sequence of shots at 10min52sec purports to show the "power cut below decks", especially towards 11min07sec, where it seems to change location abruptly.

Scenes are then shown in reconstruction again at a Guardia Costiera control room, with a brief depiction of communications equipment (on 136.65MHz and 119.65MHz) as aeronatical radiotelephony channels at 11min20sec and also 290.550MHz AM (either specialist ship-to-shore or ground-to-air). There is also an Icom IC-M3 on Ch3 maritime VHF walkie-talkie on top of an Italian 'ricezione' paper log.

Extended shots of radio equipment on 266.900MHz, appearing to still be in an Italian coastguard station, this time showing 'Velo aeromobile' radio logs..

At 12min06sec "3 compartments holed and flooded" (standard prophetic 'one more than could be survived' in the Titanic style....dance troupe member reports she had a boyfriend who was an engineer who passed this information on to her.

A Professor Ed Galea from University of Greenwich (a leading UK maritime institution) appears 13min56sec. Constant use is made of animated wirebox 'ghost images' of the ship, which are intended to make super-clear within the story the attitude of the ship, with lots of fly-bys.

The second of the two mature British 'survivor couples' is seen at 13min48sec, an Ian Donoff, the bridegroom from a mature honeymoon couple (again a research possibility).

A setpiece shot at 14min12sec sees Commander Nicastro of the Guardia Costiera in full uniform gives an intro to the formal corporate synopsis of blame. His organisation appears to have heavily-supported the production of this programme.

We see at 14min30secs a situation briefing from oriental lady, in Italian, to assembled deck passengers (claiming that there is a power cut, nothing else, and praising how wonderful the emergency lights are....which certainly appears to be correct, they all emit masses of light). This looks to me to be potentially dubbed, and I have similar doubts regarding the English-accented public-address announcements heard in some of the shots.

At 15min02sec panned still shot (one of a few still shots used), sliding right-to-left, with what appears to be *some* passengers or crew gathered (scene labelled ''10.42pm' at the extreme port side, on the two lower fore-decks, at the rising bow...this looks unrealistic, as if the deck were level when the shot was taken (or assembled).
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21min18secs shows large calm clusters of equally-sized 'crew' wearing yellow dayglo life-vests, no sign of any orange life-vested passengers, no suggestion of the ship 'keeling over' whatsoever....so why the swarming masses sliding off the port bow later on?

I could be wrong about the shots at 21min31secs , but it's almost as if the deck is tilted more fore-and-aft than abeam??

At 23min28secs one of the few 'amateur grade' still-pictures appearing to be taken on-board is shown. It's perhaps significant to note that there are very few still shots used in the programme at all...was everyone using their camera phones on video only? Curious...

From 23min43sec we meet the other half of the mature British honeymoon couple, Janice Donoff. Her testimony regarding the evacuee handling sounds simplistic, but appears...real?

25min14sec sees some very casual float-past footage taken under the starboard bow of the ship...with no signs of no-one trying to get out whatsoever. And no rapid escape from being swamped by a ship about to roll over, either.

One of the rare included stills, at 31min17sec, shows again a very bright self-lit shot, plenty of lifeboats, *no passengers or crew visible* on decks or boarding stations (these generators still providing almost as much deck lighting as normal running)

At 33min42sec we see a strange effect....the words 'Costa Concordia' are clearly visible in the infra-red inverted video images...would this be the case in reality with such imagery?? Image

We see at 33min57sec 'Sergeant Marco' an Italian CG helicopter pilot, again in set-piece interview pose, showing elementary operation of a sling-hoist, offering some odd comments...

During the comedy verbal exchange between the Ship's Captain, and the CG Commander, the whole footage is shot looking into the screen of the main radiotelephone (implying that this may have been where the audio was tapped) but bizarrely we can see along the bottom of the 'reconstruction shot' another log-book, with the printed words...SAR LUNEDI 23.01.2012

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....the implication for timescales being: 13 Jan ship rolls over, 18 Jan tv programme commissioned, 23 Jan some footage recorded on-location (or asserted as being so), 31 Jan national broadcast in UK.

A very fast production...I wonder if all stakeholders are fully happy with the result?

[edit]typos corrected[/edit]

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ADMIN NOTICE: I am embedding the relevant Youtube video below... (-simon)

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K648rkfLEwY
...but to me, it says: "The uploader has not made this video available in your country! :(
Same here: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/terr ... od#3286174
"The service is currently not available in your area" :angry:
Anywhere else I can watch it?
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Re: Costa Concordia

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icarusinbound wrote:Conconcordia...



A Professor Ed Galea from University of Greenwich (a leading UK maritime institution) appears 13min56sec. Constant use is made of animated wirebox 'ghost images' of the ship, which are intended to make super-clear within the story the attitude of the ship, with lots of fly-bys.

Interesting...extremely well-connected

http://www.kent.fire-uk.org/human_behav ... galea.aspx
Professor Galea is the founding director of the Fire Safety Engineering Group (FSEG) of the University of Greenwich in London where he has worked in the area of Computational Fire Engineering (CFE) research since 1986.

Prof Galea's personal research interests include human behaviour in emergency evacuation situations, pedestrian dynamics, evacuation and pedestrian dynamics simulation, fire dynamics and CFD fire simulation. He is the author of 150+ academic and professional publications and serves on a number of standards committees concerned with fire and evacuation for organisations such as; IMO, ISO, BSI and SFPE and sits on several UK Government committees concerned with civil defence. He has served on several major Inquires and legal cases as an expert in fire and evacuation including: the Paddington Rail Crash, the Swiss Air MD11 crash, and the Admiral Duncan Pub bombing and assisted IMO in framing MSC Circ 1033 and 1238.

His work is applied to the building, aviation, maritime and rail industries. His recent projects include: a CBRN civil defence project funded by the UK Home Office, a study into human factors issues associated with the evacuation of the WTC funded by the UK EPSRC, a project to develop a rail car evacuation model for the US Federal Rail Administration, an investigation into the potential influence of culture on evacuation behaviour funded by the EU 7th Framework, a study into evacuation behaviour on cruise ships funded by the EU 7th Framework and a Homeland Security project supported by the US DoD and Battelle to develop a real time evacuation management system for the Pentagon building. Most recently he was won two additional EU 7th Framework projects, one exploring aircraft fire and the other exploring urban scale evacuation issues associated with disasters.

Professor Galea has trained over 500 fire and safety professionals from 38 countries in human behaviour, evacuation modelling, fire dynamics and fire modelling through a series of annual short courses since 1997. He is a Guest Professor at Ghent University and a Visiting Professor at several universities including; Beijing Institute for Labor Protection and the Beijing Chemical University. He has won a number of awards for his work including; 2001 British Computer Society Gold Medal, 2002 Queens Anniversary prize, 2002 RINA/Lloyds Register Safer Ship Award; 2006 Royal Aeronautical Journal Gold Award; 2008 SFPE Jack Bono Award.

FSEG was founded by Prof Galea in 1986. Today, with over 30 mathematicians, psychologists, fire engineers, CFD specialists and software engineers, FSEG is one of the World's leading centres of excellence in Computational Fire Engineering. The work of FSEG is focused on the development and application of evacuation and fire modelling tools. FSEG have developed the SMARTFIRE and EXODUS suite of fire/evacuation software which are used in 35 countries around the world. The EXODUS suite of modelling tools includes: maritimeEXODUS, airEXODUS, buildingEXODUS and railEXODUS for applications in the marine, aviation, building and rail environments. The EXODUS suite of software has been used in real world practical applications in over 30 countries on projects that range from the Beijing Birds Nest Olympic Stadium to the tallest building in the world, 101 Taipei; from the Airbus A380 superjumbo to the new aircraft carriers for the Royal Navy; from the new Mitsubishi regional jet to the Statue of Liberty redevelopment. Similarly, the SMARTFIRE fire simulation software has been used on range of projects including, Rhode Island night club fire, MD11 in-flight fire investigation and fire analysis for the next generation Blended Wing Body aircraft.
Heiwa, perhaps you will have heard of the modelling software mentioned above, in an applied IMO setting, maybe?

The aeronautical model (an early version screen-grab close-up)
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Large ship low-res simulation
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Exodus was extensively used by Discovery Channel 'Unsolved History' for a graphical simulation analysis /modelled hypothesis regarding the worst maritime disaster of all time, the loss of the MV Wilhem Gustloff in 1945 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff. This involved the loss of perhaps 10,000 people in a crush evacuation after being torpedoed.
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Re: Costa Concordia

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nonhocapito wrote:but I think this thread proves that there are many reasons to believe that, once again, a big disaster is being using for psy-op/scam purposes.
What? Haven't we already been through this earlier in the thread? Proof of a disaster? What are you talking about?

All we have is a silly broken boat lying in the water. In NY a broken plane in the Hudson did not mean the Sullenberger Event occurred. Here, we have no proof at all that any boat full of passengers had a problem leading to nighttime evacuation.

Again, did I miss something somewhere?
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