ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Maat on October 7th, 2011, 11:58 pm

simonshack wrote:I presume you have somehow missed the dedicated Buran thread, Maat?
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=968

I have a feeling you're gonna love it ! :lol:

:lol: You're right, Simon, I did miss the Buran thread and I certainly do love it! :lol:
(The Chinese "weightless" fakery was priceless too! :rolleyes: )

So I guess I only added further confirmation to their obvious 'joint venture' shuttle silliness with this stoopid fauxto & caption :D:
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@ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... 89%29.JPEG
"Visitors at the 38th Paris International Air and Space Show at Le Bourget Airfield line up to tour a Soviet An-225 Mechta aircraft that is carrying the Space Shuttle Buran on its back." (by MASTER SGT. DAVE CASEY, 12 June, 1989)
This image is a work of a U.S. military or Department of Defense employee, taken or made during the course of an employee's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, the image is in the public domain.

** Including their 'coincidentally' favorite numbers too, of course (Numerological addition & reduction to single digits, except 'master numbers': 11, 22, 33):
"38th": 3 + 8 = 11 & "12 June 1989" - 3 + 6 + 9 = 9
Number on the An-225 plane: "387" = 9 or 11+7
"Launch of Buran ('snowjob'): 3:00 UTC on 15 November 1988" — 3 + 15 = 9 + 11 (full date, 15-11-1988 = 7)
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Maat on October 9th, 2011, 10:55 am

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The 1st Scuttled Shuttle Scam: Challenger

When I started looking into the "Challenger" and its "Disaster" (of a) story, a number of things hit me like a "flying brick"!
i.e. The repetitively familiar numbers (starting from Apollo 11 on) in dates, times etc., crew members' origins, and implausible 'events' in the plot lines. Quite apart from every "photo" being a lousy shoop job!

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@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Space ... TS-6._.jpg

Space Shuttle Challenger (NASA Orbiter Vehicle Designation: OV-099) was NASA's second Space Shuttle orbiter to be put into service, Columbia having been the first.... Its maiden flight was on April 4, 1983 [=11], and it completed nine missions before breaking apart 73 seconds after the launch of its tenth mission, STS-51-L [51+L=3=9] on January 28, 1986 [1+28=11], resulting in the death of all seven crew members.


The "Challenger Disaster":
The spacecraft disintegrated over [*9 miles above] the Atlantic Ocean, off the coast of central Florida at 11:38 am [11 + 11=22] EST (16:38 UTC) [7+11].

On March 8 [3+8=11], 1986, a search team found the crew cabin; it had not been destroyed in the explosion. The bodies of all seven crew members were found, still strapped into their seats....
Autopsies were done but exact cause of death was inconclusive.
* 48,000 feet = 9.09090909 miles

NASA history: Kerwin, Joseph P. (1986). "Challenger crew cause and time of death"

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@ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... 001867.jpg – Ref http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001867.html
[Update note: http://www.challenger.org/about/gallery.cfm has been removed]

Crew members:
Francis R. Scobee – Mission Commander — Apparently no life or pictures outside NASA (very 'vicsimmy')
Michael J. Smith – Pilot — Same + "Smith was portrayed by Brian Kerwin in the 1990 TV movie Challenger".
Judith A. Resnik – Mission Specialist 1 — First American Jewish astro-not; 1st Jewish woman 'in space'. Recruited by "Lt. Uhura" of Star Trek, Nichelle Nichols, for NASA
Ellison S. Onizuka – Mission Specialist 2 — 1st Asian American 'in space'
Ronald E. McNair – Mission Specialist 3 — 2nd African-American astronaut. Also recruited by Nichelle Nichols
Gregory B. Jarvis – Payload Specialist 1 — **
Christa McAuliffe – Payload Specialist 2 — 1st "Teacher in Space" & subject of full scale media propaganda campaign for the "mission".
**The remains of all seven astronauts from the Challenger disaster were discovered in the crew decks on the ocean floor. Gregory Jarvis' remains were discovered in the lower mid-deck along with fellow astronaut Ronald McNair and school teacher Christa McAuliffe. During salvage operations to raise the crew deck from the ocean floor, Jarvis' body escaped from the wreckage, floated to the surface, and disappeared back into the sea. On April 15, 1986 [=7], on the last scheduled attempt to recover wreckage, Jarvis' body was rediscovered and returned to shore.

From Time Magazine:
[Dr. Marvin Resnik, father of Judith Resnik]. The Resniks want no funeral service; they have asked NASA to cremate their daughter's remains and scatter them over the ocean, where Challenger met its end. [ :blink: ]
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -4,00.html

'Scraping the bottom' with more grotesque idiocy from MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078060#.To_wOnL7_kU

Main indoctrination center:
http://www.challenger.org/

Photos of the Challenger crew in 'training' at NASA: http://www.challenger.org/about/gallery.cfm
(Note: that 'photo gallery' is very hard to find on the site, 1st found via Google images!)


Nichelle Nichols, NASA Recruiter:
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@ NASA's GRIN site (Great Images in NASA)
Actress Nichelle Nichols was born in Robbins, Illinois on December 29, 1936. She played Lieutenant Uhura the Communications Officer on the U.S.S. Enterprise in the original series, Star Trek. ...
From the late 1970's until the late 1980's, NASA employed Nichelle Nichols to recruit new astronaut candidates. Many of her new recruits were women or members of racial and ethnic minorities, including Guion Bluford (the first African-American astronaut), Sally Ride (the first female American astronaut), Judith Resnik (one of the original set of female astronauts, who perished during the launch of the Challenger on January 28, 1986), and Ronald McNair (the second African-American astronaut, and another victim of the Challenger accident).

Wiki:
After a 32-month hiatus, the next shuttle mission, STS-26 [7th flight of the Discovery], was launched on September 29 [9+11], 1988


Where it began: Space Shuttle Enterprise

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@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Enter ... flight.jpg
The Space Shuttle Enterprise (NASA Orbiter Vehicle Designation: OV-101) was the first Space Shuttle orbiter. It was built for NASA as part of the Space Shuttle program to perform test flights in the atmosphere.[2] It was constructed without engines or a functional heat shield, and was therefore not capable of spaceflight....

Construction began on Enterprise on June 4, 1974. ...originally planned to be named Constitution and unveiled on Constitution Day, September 17, 1976 [hidden 22]. A write-in campaign by Trekkies to President Gerald Ford asked that the orbiter be named after the Starship Enterprise, featured on the television show Star Trek. Although Ford did not mention the campaign, the president—who during World War II had served on the aircraft carrier USS Monterey (CVL-26) that served with USS Enterprise (CV-6)—said that he was "partial to the name" and overrode NASA officials.
That's their story :P

On January 31, 1977 [=11], it was taken by road to Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards Air Force Base, to begin operational testing.
[...]
The initial nine-month testing period was referred to by the acronym ALT, for "Approach and Landing Test". These tests included a maiden "flight" on February 18 [=11], 1977 atop a Boeing 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) to measure structural loads and ground handling and braking characteristics of the mated system.
[...]
On August 12 [=11], 1977, the space shuttle Enterprise flew on its own for the first time.

Retirement:
With the completion of critical testing, Enterprise was partially disassembled to allow certain components to be reused in other shuttles, then underwent an international tour visiting France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Canada, and the U.S. states of California, Alabama, and Louisiana (during the 1984 Louisiana World Exposition). It was also used to fit-check the never-used shuttle launch pad at Vandenberg AFB, California. Finally, on November 18 [=11+9], 1985 [total=7], Enterprise was ferried to Washington, D.C., where it became property of the Smithsonian Institution.

Beginning as an imaginary spaceship on a TV series,
Star Trek did continue: written and produced by NASA!


Image
@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_S ... 001363.jpg
The Shuttle Enterprise rolls out of the Palmdale manufacturing facilities with Star Trek television cast members. From left to right they are: Dr. James D. Fletcher, NASA Administrator, DeForest Kelley (Dr. "Bones" McCoy), George Takei (Mr. Sulu), James Doohan (Chief Engineer Montgomery "Scotty" Scott), Nichelle Nichols (Lt. Uhura), Leonard Nimoy (the indefatigable Mr. Spock), Gene Rodenberry (The Great Bird of the Galaxy), and Walter Koenig (Ensign Pavel Checkov). Date: 17 September 1976. Author: NASA
Source: Great Images in NASA

And they're obviously still 'grinning' from ear to ear <_<

If their obsession with 7, 9, 11 numerology isn't bad enough, the fact that they would actually need or use a Sci-Fi TV actress to recruit astronauts should be enough to know just how 'real' the "Space Shuttle Program" was. :rolleyes:
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby simonshack on October 9th, 2011, 1:22 pm

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:lol: I was also once recruited to fly the Enterprise !


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtXATrfC9HQ
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Maat on October 9th, 2011, 2:15 pm

Exquisite irony, eh Mr Shock? Image Looks like that one just boomeranged on 'em Image
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby lux on October 15th, 2011, 1:50 pm

Maat wrote:
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More inconsistent & fake flash shadows.
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Maat on October 15th, 2011, 9:37 pm

lux wrote:More inconsistent & fake flash shadows.

Oh yes, it's a cheesy one. But out of the 16 in that 'gallery', this 1st one takes the cake don't you think?:

Image
@ http://www.challenger.org/about/gallery.cfm?index=1 [Edit NOTE: the original gallery in which this image was posted has since been removed! :ph34r: ]
"(From left) Ellison Onizuka, Barbara Morgan (Teacher in Space alternate), Dick Scobee, Christa McAuliffe, Judy Resnik, Michael Smith, and Ron McNair."
Mr Ozinuka shoulda left those Disney 'shrooms alone too eh! :blink: :rolleyes:
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby lux on October 16th, 2011, 12:17 am

Maat wrote:
lux wrote:More inconsistent & fake flash shadows.

Oh yes, it's a cheesy one. But out of the 16 in that 'gallery', this 1st one takes the cake don't you think?:

Image
@ http://www.challenger.org/about/gallery.cfm?index=1
"(From left) Ellison Onizuka, Barbara Morgan (Teacher in Space alternate), Dick Scobee, Christa McAuliffe, Judy Resnik, Michael Smith, and Ron McNair."
Mr Ozinuka shoulda left those Disney 'shrooms alone too eh! :blink: :rolleyes:



Enlarging above photo section between Michael Smith & Ron McNair (I only added arrows & numbers and brought up levels a bit):

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1. Mystery white object on Smith's arm (looks like leftover image fragment from another photo)
2. Odd horizontal lines here - seems to split Smith's hand and continues onto McNair's arm
3. Odd pixel blocking on McNair's arm (like arm was drawn in with a clone tool or copy/paste)

I also notice some crew have ID tags and some don't. My guess is it's a composite photo shopped together from 2 or more others.

But, why? (one might ask)
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby simonshack on October 29th, 2011, 5:47 pm

Brutal Metal wrote:May 22nd, 2011, 7:44 pm

I live in Florida and have seen it launch, Enough Said on this topic! I'm one of the Biggest skeptics in the fuckin word guys but sorry EVERYTHING isn't Fake! Apollo 11 Oh Yeah, Endeavor being a Real piece of machinery? Not Fake!


Dearest Brutal Metal,

Your quote above is from the first page of this long Shuttle thread. I was just wondering - out of curiosity: what is your stance on this issue today? :)
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Brutal Metal on October 30th, 2011, 11:09 pm

Simon I still say a flying craft has been launched from that spot on the east coast of Florida, where it goes after it leaves eye view I have NO idea? It gives off a long smoke plume like you've aleady discussed and said wasn't real?
I guess we can agree to disagree on this topic :) It's my stance that this craft doesn't go to space stations and repair satalites etc.. with astronauts floating in space held on by one cable attached to their bodies..
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby simonshack on October 31st, 2011, 12:04 am

Brutal Metal wrote:Simon I still say a flying craft has been launched from that spot on the east coast of Florida, where it goes after it leaves eye view I have NO idea? It gives off a long smoke plume like you've aleady discussed and said wasn't real?


Oh - I think there's a misunderstanding here. I am convinced that something got launched, time and again, from the KSC. I was only curious to have more details - in fact, every possible detail - of just how you've experienced that with your own eyes. Perhaps some of your friends/acquaintances has pics/videos of a given launch? We don't have to agree to disagree here - as long as we agree that what was launched for 30 odd years from the KSC wasn't what NASA told us it was.
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Dcopymope on October 31st, 2011, 1:23 am

simonshack wrote:
Brutal Metal wrote:Simon I still say a flying craft has been launched from that spot on the east coast of Florida, where it goes after it leaves eye view I have NO idea? It gives off a long smoke plume like you've aleady discussed and said wasn't real?


Oh - I think there's a misunderstanding here. I am convinced that something got launched, time and again, from the KSC. I was only curious to have more details - in fact, every possible detail - of just how you've experienced that with your own eyes. Perhaps some of your friends/acquaintances has pics/videos of a given launch? We don't have to agree to disagree here - as long as we agree that what was launched for 30 odd years from the KSC wasn't what NASA told us it was.


So what do you think it was that NASA has launched from the KSC?
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby simonshack on October 31st, 2011, 11:25 am

Dcopymope wrote:So what do you think it was that NASA has launched from the KSC?


Dear Dcopymope,

This is akin to ask "what do you think hit the WTC towers?". I only know what didn't strike the WTC : those alleged Boeing 767 passenger airliners we were shown on TV. Likewise, I only know what wasn't launched from KSC for these last 3 decades. I don't have a clue as to what was launched in its place - and any answer I might give you would be highly speculative.

'Student project balloon picture of STS 134': http://www.space.com/11683-shuttle-ende ... hotos.html
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The above picture may well be authentic - but what sort of detail do we have of the airborne object on top of this smoke trail?

My specific question to Brutal Metal concerns precisely what people have been able to observe/film/photograph from a distance during these 30 years (surely vast amounts of images must have been captured by Florida residents). This question is motivated by the fact that I am dissatisfied with the amateur imagery of the Shuttle launches to be found online - as they feature a series of oddities/aberrations which I have illustrated earlier in this thread:

"AMATEUR" VIDEOS OF SHUTTLE LAUNCHES (1) viewtopic.php?p=2354285#p2354285
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Jonathan on November 1st, 2011, 1:42 pm

simonshack wrote:...
The above picture may well be authentic - but what sort of detail do we have of the airborne object on top of this smoke trail? ...


What strikes me as odd with this picture is the projection of the smoke-trail onto the clouds below.
It seems way too sharp all the way.
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Brutal Metal on November 2nd, 2011, 7:13 am

Hi Simon I'll see if I can track down some video from the local news stations here since all the Florida networks cover every launch, it's always the top headline of the day with reporters on site from the local ABC,CBS and NBC affilitates as well as the Bay News 9 cable channel and WTOG 44!
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby Brutal Metal on November 2nd, 2011, 7:24 am

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