fred wrote:Why are you casting aspersions?
I might as well ask how much it costs to rent a villa in Rome and if the Social Service is selling out that many shows every evening. Clearly it's not iTunes paying the bills around there. Rich uncle? Stipend from Norwegian Royal family?
fred wrote:No, Mr Hytten, I don't remember vouching for Rick Siegel. Care to enlighten us all? I do remember when 911researchers was the only forum where I could post articles without having them deleted.
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Why are you casting aspersions?
I might as well ask how much it costs to rent a villa in Rome and if the Social Service is selling out that many shows every evening. Clearly it's not iTunes paying the bills around there. Rich uncle? Stipend from Norwegian Royal family?
It's odd that you would respond with insinuations about me rather than looking at the actors that the new guy has apparently discovered. I've never had any ties to Rick Siegel other than being a poster on his forum years ago.
What's the big idea here? I don't understand why you're reduced to taking cheap shots at me instead of responding substantively.
I might as well ask how much it costs to rent a villa in Rome and if the Social Service is selling out that many shows every evening. Clearly it's not iTunes paying the bills around there. Rich uncle? Stipend from Norwegian Royal family?
simonshack wrote:Fred,
I have moved this little exchange between the two of us to the Chatbox (I shouldn't have started it in the Arizona psyop thread - my bad). Also, please pardon me for that curt post I did last night regarding Rick Siegel.
Let me say straight away that I have no desire to start a feud with you. I prefer to think that the 'Fred' I exchanged mails with (back in the chaotic days of Rick Siegel's "911researchers" forum) was just someone impersonating you.
I distinctly remember this 'Fred' repeatedly asking me to reconsider Rick Siegel, that he thought Rick was a 'good guy, only with a bad temper' (or something to that tune) and that he had met him in person. If that was not you, I will of course apologize for erroneously assuming that it was you.
I will therefore cautiously ask you if you are the same Fred who has - until recently - vouched (I think that is the right word) or, should I say, 'given the benefit of doubt' to personnnages/entities such as Nico Haupt, Ozzybinoswald and Judy Wood. I can only hope you will understand my perplexity as to why someone as profoundly experienced and intelligent as you would still concede any sort of credibility to the aforementioned trio.

As for this quote of yours (which, undoubtedly, must be authored by the 'Fred' I am addressing right now...) :I might as well ask how much it costs to rent a villa in Rome and if the Social Service is selling out that many shows every evening. Clearly it's not iTunes paying the bills around there. Rich uncle? Stipend from Norwegian Royal family?
Well - I prefer not to answer to these questions of yours. They have a distinct smell of provocation, the sort of which I strongly dislike. All I will say is that I've had a variety of jobs in my life, some of which have allowed me to put aside some (modest) savings - and never earned a buck or a euro dishonestly. The house I live in was bought by my long deceased father (1990) with his lifelong savings. If you are interested in renting a spare room I have, you can contact me via private e-mail:
simonshack@libero.it
fred wrote:@nonhocapito I certainly can't conclude that Nico is a perp but he's certainly a "perp magnet" and under heavy surveillance, or at least he used to be.
fred wrote:Nico is basically a public figure and to the extent that anybody wanted to go follow a "no planer" or "9/11 skeptic" around, he's certainly one of the most visible ones. So I think that everybody has a file on Nico Haupt. He attends rallies and meetings and speaks out and demonstrates and yells at people and grants interviews etc. So he attracts a lot of attention and generates a lot of "contacts" and "incident reports". People who keep track of "disturbances" have plenty to keep track of around Nico.
Therefore, I think the surveillance probably had little to do with me and more to do with "Nico's holding a meeting with somebody, we'd better see what he's up to this time." I'm sure they spent a little bit of time figuring that one out.
It's too bad I missed what sounds like a great party at Simon's place, though. The meeting with Nico was just like that but without the beautiful girlfriends, the singing, the music, the hugs, the plane props and decorations, and the Roman villa. But with a not-so-subtle police presence.
When I'm in the city I'm photographed dozens of times every day. But so what? If someone wanted to write a book about me who would read it?
As for video, there's nothing exciting I can show you. No fights broke out. Nobody got led away in handcuffs. The police had nothing to do except try to figure out who showed up and where they went, which was probably a big waste of their time. I gave up on trying to upload content to youtube a long time ago. They don't want me there.
"OK, Nico met some sailor we haven't seen before, and they talked, and now he's leaving, and um, hmm, maybe those other people are with them? What about these other people. Are they with us? What's going on here?"
Pics or it didn't happen. I know. I know. Somebody has the audio from the meeting, I'm sure. I don't think I've posted that anywhere before. Nico might remember it. His life is a lot more complicated than mine. Supposedly he's been fired from jobs and lost his apartment over his public advocacy of some of the views we express here. As of a few years ago he certainly existed outside the computer, but I don't know anything about where he comes from. He's a very interesting person.
antipodean wrote:The only thing I find a bit suss about Nico is that he was posting on a forum about 9/11, virtually as 9/11 was happening. (the times shown are obviously West Coast times.)
http://www.draheid.com/archives/war-1/m ... 20384.html
http://www.draheid.com/archives/war-1/m ... 20641.html
Ewing2001 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 - 06:18 am
I'm in NYC. I can watch the WTC burning. It's a big shock... http://www.draheid.com/archives/war-1/m ... 20384.html
Ewing2001 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 - 12:25 pm
I saw the 2nd tower live falling, but i reported this whole morning. I saw both tower burning and right now need a while for other news...
This is a sad day for New York and a tragedy for america and the world. http://www.draheid.com/archives/war-1/m ... 24675.html

nonhocapito wrote:Thanks for the summary Fred. I must admit I know next to nothing about all these characters who disappeared before I even conceived or heard of fakery and digital planes. I know Simon or Hoi or brianv or others can sum up in one sentence for me and for you the amount of damage people like Nico Haupt caused and why they obviously must have been playing for the bad guys all along.
For the little I know of the topic, I have problems believing that Nico Haupt was followed and spied so closely. And, judging by your words, still is spied now. Isn't it possible that his disturbances and interventions were instead orchestrated with the favor of the establishment, since they seem to be designed to make everyone look deranged? And if so, isn't it more likely that these people worked with him rather than on him?
Is it so necessary that the most influential character interested in fakery was also such a complicated fellow, like you put it, that would put the whole "group" in such a horrible light? Ace Baker, Jeff Hill, Nico Haupt: aren't these rather created characters who danced in synch with Alex Jones, when he yelled from his radio show that no planers believed in holograms?
I'm happy to read that, like me and like most rational people you are not too worried about the fact that we can be identified or tapped because of our interest in media fakery and false terrorism. I remember much more chilling stories from you that seemed to imply necessary caution in trying not to be identified, because of the high risks we all are supposedly running. A caution which after all must be worn out at this point, since so many years later you are still among us, as Nico apparently is.
My curiosity with the video lies essentially with these figures surrounding the encounter between you and Nico. Since you seem to have recognized among them so many agents and supervisors, I was curious as to what they looked like.
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