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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by hoi.polloi » Thu May 05, 2011 12:12 am

To get back at the topic at hand, yes - we are obviously questioning the scientific models presented to countless nuclear physicists across the globe.

This isn't a new idea. People are in an uproar over whether there is global warming, whether we are entering the new ice age, or both or neither. The science will probably determine the victor of that debate.

In this case, I believe the nuclear science has not been exposed to adequate debate. We must presume - because people can be fooled by simple rudimentary errors in physics (2nd law of thermodynamics in 9/11) - that much more complex error-prone science can also be built from these types of errors.

Heiwa earlier posted a fine example of what may cause the "successful nuclear bomb strike" theory to be full of hot air. Go back and read it if you'd like to.

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by Dcopymope » Thu May 05, 2011 2:08 am

hoi.polloi wrote:Since we haven't seen provable damage tied to an actual "nuclear bomb" event, we have every reason to question whether each "nuclear bomb" event has been staged entirely - without the need for real or fake bombs.

But even if you wanted to claim that some kind of real or fake bomb had to exist to convince those around a totally controlled, staged propaganda event, here are some other interesting bits of information:

Japan reported that the USA dropped hundreds of "Dummy" nukes all over Japan before settling on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Also, according to physics studies they teach in school settings, an initial explosion is necessary to apparently set off the "nuclear" explosion. TNT or something else very simple and scientifically demonstrable without fake footage might be put in the supposed nuclear bombs - if they existed. There is good reason to protect us from radiation if it does the damage to natural systems like they say it does. An explanation for this to people who ask questions could easily be "the dynamite is necessary to start the more powerful explosion." But perhaps there is no more powerful explosion at all -- it's just a cover for the fact that the nuclear material never becomes explosive. It's just there to be a "dirty" bomb that spreads nuclear poison on a population ... again, even if such a thing is necessary.

We have already shown that people can be fooled by fake audio and fake video so powerfully that they actually make up details that never happened to them. The same can probably be said for any level of fakery - from "aliens are invading" to "my city was just bombed".

There will be some people who ask questions, but most will apparently not question their government when they are told something is - in some way - "determined" to have qualities they claim it does.

'We have "concluded" this is true through "rigorous" scientific "research" ... ' etc.
Lets say we reverse your explanation and say that they weren't necessarily nuclear bombs at all but conventional bombs aided by weapons grade nuclear material, and the explanation would be that "the nuclear energy is necessary to start the more powerful TNT explosion", or whatever type of explosive material they may use. I think that this may have been what it was looking at what they use today are basically conventional weapons aided by nuclear material in the form of depleted uranium. Enrich the uranium to the point that it would increase the effectiveness of the bombs actual explosive material itself to such a point that you truly can call them "high explosives".

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by brianv » Thu May 05, 2011 1:44 pm

Who needs boring old nukes anyhow when two hollow aluminium airplanes can wipe out half of Manhattan? :rolleyes:

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by Heiwa » Sat May 07, 2011 9:21 am

brianv wrote:Who needs boring old nukes anyhow when two hollow aluminium airplanes can wipe out half of Manhattan? :rolleyes:
Yes, it is called the POUFF, POUFF destruction method as illustrated by:
Image and invented by US agency NIST and used by Osama!
Just ensure that the lightest and weakest top part C of any structure or skyscraper or building gets a little loose (by making a hole in the wall up top + little fire softening the support of C?) and then the small, weak (mostly air) top C will one-way crush and globally collapse from top down, POUFF, POUFF, etc, the heavier and stronger building/structure A below into a fountain of rubble dust B ... only using gravity.
It is quite easy according to US civil engineering expertise, ASCE.

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by Heiwa » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:16 pm

On 22 January 2011 I wrote: It is suggested that Uranium 235, U235, can be split into two other, lighter atomes, when hit by a neutron, n, and that then two new neutrons and energy are released at high pressure, 100 000 atm and temperature 1 000 000°C. It is called fission. One alternative is U235 + n → Ba140 + Kr94 + 2n. Another is U235 + n → La139 + Mo95 + 2n. It is suggested that the reactions can continue exponentially, the free neutrons n will split more U235 atoms very quickly = the atomic bomb. Plutonium 239, Pl239, may behave similarily.
What does it actually mean? Can 235 grams U235 convert into 140 grams Ba140 and 94 grams Kr94, when hit by 1 gram of neutrons? Where is the missing 1 gram? Has it become energy? No, 1 gram missing is the extra neutrons produced in the collisions. Evidently mass in the form of protons and neutrons (and atoms) cannot disappear and become energy, even if Albert Einstein postulates the opposite (e = mc²).
So where does the energy come from, when U235 becomes Ba140 and Kr94 in a neutron collision in a nuclear reactor? (But not in an atomic bomb!) The total mass of atoms evidently remains the same. No strange Einsten energy there! The answer is simple. The energy released is just the force (that held the U235 atom (protons/neutrons) together before splitting) times the distance of the Ba140 and Kr94 being pushed away from each other. This force is very strange – first it holds all the 235 protons in U235 together and then, when U235 is split into Ba140 and Kr94 by a neutron, it also splits and become three forces; two that hold Ba140 and Kr94 together and one that pushes Ba140 and Kr94 apart.
As the U235 atom core is very small nobody has been able to observe directly that a neutron n actually can split one U235 into two parts (Ba140 and K94), but it seems to happen and that is why nuclear reactors function as they do (Maybe the U235 breaks down for other reasons?) That the same phenomenom – uncontrolled, atomic bomb, chain reaction – can be used in an atomic bomb is on the other hand not certain at all. All US scientific reports from 1942/5 that it was possible are still secret (if they existed??) and copies of same reports received in the USSR by clever spies (that FBI overlooked down in New Mexico) are also not available.
Personally I believe the atomic bomb doesn’t exist at all. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just destroyed 1945 by conventional US napalm bomb attacks + a magnesium flash bomb at the end of each show. The rest was just propaganda. A good reason for peace, i.e. Heiwa in Japanese.

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by fbenario » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:22 am

Heiwa wrote:Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just destroyed 1945 by conventional US napalm bomb attacks + a magnesium flash bomb at the end of each show. The rest was just propaganda.
This is also what I think.

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by Heiwa » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:10 pm

ICP NY ... -zero-1945 shows pictures from Hiroshima 1945 taken 3 months after the attack, e.g.
Distorted steel-frame structure of Odamasa Store, Hiroshima, November 20, 1945 (Note undamaged building/chimney in background left).
Ruins of the Hiroshima Prefectural Commercial Exhibition Hall (A-Bomb Dome), October 24, 1945
Rooftop view of atomic destruction, looking southwest, Hiroshima, October 31, 1945
Knowing that most houses were of wood/paper the destruction could also have been done by napalm (like in Yokohama/Tokyo Feb/March 1945 from which there are many similar photos).

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by warriorhun » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:17 pm

Dear All,

What is the score on the Rosenberg-case?
They were executed for giving the American nuclear secrets to the Soviet.
Could it be the secret had nothing to do with building an atomic-bomb? Then what? What do you think?

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by bostonterrierowner » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:20 pm

warriorhun wrote:Dear All,

What is the score on the Rosenberg-case?
They were executed for giving the American nuclear secrets to the Soviet.
Could it be the secret had nothing to do with building an atomic-bomb? Then what? What do you think?
I checked Rosenbergs with SSDI and there is no record of their death in 1953. There are other records from this year so theoreticaly they should be there as well. IMO this whole affair was just a PsyOp , an official kick start of cold war. It scared Americans and western block in two ways. First , the soviets had a Bomb . Second , democracies were infested with communist spies always ready to back stab their homelands. USSR was a very poor , backward and ruined by WWII. How could a state like this obtain such an expensive technology so quickly? Thats why this whole treason stuff was invented otherwise it would be very doubtful given complexity of Manhattan Project and its cost.

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by repentantandy » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:40 am

Well, if you're suggesting that the notorious Julius and Ethel were actually 1950s-era sims in an FBI-staged psyop to backstop the atom-bomb myth, then by implication their "sons" Robert and Michael (both of whom led very public lives and are reportedly still with us) are actors too, as were the couple's alleged espionage confederates, including the late Harry Gold (who "died" in 1972) plus David Greenglass and Morton Sobel, who are also reportedly still among the living, although quite elderly.

Coincidentally, it was deep-in-9/11-chicanery judge Hellerstein who recently unsealed much of the (perhaps fictional) grand jury testimony that led to Julius and Ethel's damning, long-ago indictments. Cover-up expert Hellerstein did, however, keep redacted the transcribed statements of Greenglass and a couple of other still-breathing "witnesses" -- supposedly to respect their "privacy".

Hmmn... :unsure:
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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by bostonterrierowner » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:45 am

I am completely aware that this SSDI thing is not a proof of anything. Its just another piece in the puzzle. I seriously doubt A Bomb existence I am sure it wasnt around in 1940's . Maybe now it is. Who knows? If the Rosenbergs were such bad ass spies for the Soviets why didnt they exchange them for somebody , something of grave importance to the USA? One might say that this couple was the greatest espionage team ever. Handing means of ultimate destruction to hostile nation was by no means the biggest achievement in the field since the inception on mankind. Salvaging them and bringning to Russia would be a perfect message to all potential commy colaborators. If we managed to rescue Ethel and Julius we will for sure rescue you , just give us something important :) Point Charlie was supposedly a busy place in Berlin. Anyways , this whole affair was just perfect to launch communist paranoia in the west . Bomb shelters started to show up in big numbers in e.g. Poland as well just in case Americans lose it and start some preventive nuclear strike before the Soviets now equipped with nukes do . One might say it was perfect environment for TPTB in both Russia and USA . Perfect psychological operation that kept the sheeple scared shitless for decades . Including me as child :)

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by nonhocapito » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:24 pm

Aviation Thermobaric Bomb of Increased Power (ATBIP) (Russian: Авиационная вакуумная бомба повышенной мощности (АВБПМ)), nicknamed "Father of All Bombs" (FOAB) (Папа всех бомб), is a Russian-made air-delivered/land activated thermobaric weapon. In describing the bomb's destructive power, Russian deputy armed forces chief of staff Alexander Rushkin was quoted as saying, "all that is alive merely evaporates."
The bomb was successfully field-tested in the late evening of September 11, 2007. According to the Russian military, the new weapon will replace several smaller types of nuclear bombs in its arsenal.

Day of fakery, indeed :D

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by Tufa » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:23 am

warriorhun wrote: What is the score on the Rosenberg-case?
They were executed for giving the American nuclear secrets to the Soviet.
Could it be the secret had nothing to do with building an atomic-bomb? Then what? What do you think?
I investigated this many years ago, and read some of the decoded messages. The VENONNA file, at least so we are told, is not secret any more, and on the web. I don't think they where executed for carrying any "atomic" secret, it could have been something else, but I can't remember any details. The CIPHER-thing is an entity that have many elements common with a Hoax, and most is not how it looks.

The VENNONA was possibly the only Russian screw-up: The one-time codes, in numerical format, was manufactured by having typists hacking the keyboard (1234567890) at random. To lower costs four copies where made, where one pair was used by a crypto-spy, while the other pair was for embassy-commercial use, but on a different continent. If two messages could be synchronized, the two secret messages, with only one common key, was enough to recover both messages. Unfortunately, and very early on; the Russians has a spy right in the middle, that told them, so the Russians immediately cleaned up their act. But this had been going on years, so a massive hunt went on searching for recordings of "provably" unbreakable message recordings, all complete gibberish, and especially for low-quality information such as the commercial/trade telegrams. By memory, some of these telegrams was 30 years old at the time. WHAT ON EARTH DO THESE PEOPLE EAT FOR BREAKFAST? Not only recording the message; impossible to decode, but to archive the thing a life-time, and be able to find it on request !?!
OK. Peter Wright wrote in Spy Catcher (the book where a row of post office-spies are sitting each with a boiling kettle, steaming up envelopes... where the phone go broke, so the repair-man can put in the bug...) about a Swedish connection, where the FRA was requested about any filed messages. They just rolled in a trolley, all in perfect order! The gain was mostly to Swedish advantage, where the "Eriksson" spies, that was already in jail, but on weak evidence; solid proof of their activities was obtained.

Peter Wright also wrote about a microwave resonance microphone, that don't use any electronics or cables. This possibly also apply to a modern cell-pones antenna stage. Please kindly carry ALL electronic gadgets out before you have a confidential meeting!

History research of this kind is plenty of in the David Kahn, "The Codebreakers". The VENONNA should be on the NSA site.

Later, when research teams was trying to puzzle the human DNA from extremely large numbers of partial, and also erroneous strings, it was reported that the progress was slow in the beginning. Then, suddenly, one of these Grey Men show up: "I have something in my Bag the you Need!" The NSA algorithm, the VENNONNA search algorithm, speeded things up by magnitude. In Math-research, at any time, one of these Grey Men can appear!

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by hoi.polloi » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:16 am

A new user linked to an interesting, allegedly science-based place called

Amongst the issues raised against NASA's science is a fundamental difference in understanding about the sun. Is the sun a "nuclear furnace" as described by modern scientists? Or is it an example of an electric universe?
“Meeting our Global Energy Needs”

In the absence of reasonable tests of a hypothesis it is a grave mistake to pretend that issues are settled. Nevertheless, with the support of popular media, a guess about the “nuclear core” of the Sun led to a leap of faith. Limitless energy should be available to humanity by controlling a fusion process—”just like the controlled fusion in the center of the sun.”

The cost of this exuberance may never be accurately calculated. Globally, governments poured billions upon billions of dollars into research, seeking to replicate the imagined events hidden inside the Sun. From the 1950s onward it was an easy sell. But the only fusion the experiments provoked lasted a second or so— typically much less than a second—and never produced as much energy as was pumped into the experiments. In physics, that’s the definition of an unworkable idea—and it’s very likely the most expensive failure of theory the world has ever witnessed.


in contrasting the two models, one overriding consideration emerges: the failures of the standard model are the predictions of the electric model. ... f=3&t=4564

Interesting stuff.
The simplest explanation for the atom is it's comprised of only ONE particle – an Electron/Neutrino, which has two properties. What these two properties are is easy to understand. We just have to look at matter to see that one property is its tendency to clump together and when it doesn't clump together it travels at near light speed. One particle with two properties.

The only reason the proton was conceives was to balance the misconceived notion of positive and negative charge (polarity). Polarity in electricity was conceived because of a basic misunderstanding of what a magnet is and how it actually works.

The universe and everything in it including all forms of animate an inanimate matter exist because of electrical flows. These electrical flows do not travel from negative to positive they travel in one direction due to a difference in potential. ALL electrical flows are due to potential difference. These potential difference can exist across the width of a cell wall or the breadth of a galaxy. ... =10&t=4730

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Re: Nuke Hoax

Unread post by ewing2001 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:17 pm

Addendum, as announced at the Tokyo Section:

The main cover-up artists of the nuclear hoax [*especially since 1955] are the so called "nuclear security"- monopolists Alstom and AREVA [formerly Framatome, France ..., linked to the historical preperation of Prince Leopold II's, *1885 establishment of Congo Free State/Belgium Congo and related]. They also helped establishing the nuke-hoax industry for China and India.

Also historically involved since the Manhattan Project-Hoax: SIEMENS and Westinghouse (*since 2005 owned and operated by the Toshiba Group ; see also the 10% connection with Kazatomprom [].

An overview at shows, how other companies like Rosatom (, Sellafield Ltd, INVAP S.E., Atmea and others are closely tied to a so called secretive/'classified' control structure to some french/chinese/'siemens"- nuke hoax, as described above.

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...nuke hoax 1944- 2011 ?


from "NukeDukes 2011*


subsidiary of Atomenergoprom. has also a joint venture with Alstom

Ansaldo Energia

a subsidiary of Finmeccanica, is an Italian power engineering company. In December 2001 the missile business of Alenia Marconi Systems (AMS), a joint Finmeccanica/BAE Systems company, was merged with other European missile manufacturers to form MBDA.

2004 : the establishment of SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems.

SELEX S&AS now operates as SELEX Galileo following a merger with Galileo Avionica S.p.A. (another Finmeccanica company) in January 2008.


world-leading company in so called "nuclear energy" and potentially No.1 Hoaxer worldwide [incl. the coalition with the french 'nuclear' tests, arianespace SA; It was created 1 week before 9/11, on 3 September 2001, by the merger of Framatome (now AREVA NP), Cogema (now AREVA NC) and Technicatome (now AREVA TA).

German company Siemens also retains 34% of the shares of AREVA's subsidiary, AREVA NP.

AREVA is part of the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership (GNEP) alliance, along with the Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA), Washington Group International and BWX.

in 2000 the company expanded its market leadership by acquiring Raytheon Engineers & Constructors.

Founded in 1958 by several companies of the French industrial giant The Schneider Group along with Empain, Merlin Gérin, and the American Westinghouse, in order to license Westinghouse's pressurized water reactor (PWR) technology and develop a bid for Chooz 1 in Belgium.

In 1998 Westinghouse sells its nuclear energy business, to BNFL which sold it to Toshiba in 2006 which still operates it as Westinghouse Electric Company today.

In December 1970 Toshiba began the construction of unit 3 of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant which was damaged in the Fukushima I nuclear accidents on March 14, 2011.

AREVA owns two mines in Arlit, Niger.


is a joint venture between Mitsubishi and Areva.

On May 18, 1974, India detonated a nuclear bomb made from plutonium manufactured by the CIRUS research reactor [supplied by Canada in 1954]built by AECL in 1956.

Atomic Energy of Canada Limited or AECL

Built CANDU facilities in India, South Korea, Argentina, Romania, and the People's Republic of China. It is a member of the World Nuclear Association trade group (*2001) [formerly the Uranium Institute (*1975) ].

Babcock & Wilcox Company

holds the contract to manage the Pantex plant in Texas, alongside Honeywell and Bechtel Corporation. They are also a part of Lawrence Livermore National Security, LLC


In 2003, The New Yorker ran an article revealing that the bin Laden family had passively invested several million dollars in The Fremont Group, a private equity fund owned by the Bechtel family.

The late Caspar Weinberger served as the United States Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Prior to holding this position, Weinberger was the Vice President, Director, and General Counsel of the Bechtel Group of companies.

Combustion Engineering

In 1990 C-E became a wholly owned subsidiary of Asea Brown Boveri (ABB), a Swiss-Swedish multinational conglomerate based in Zurich and one of the largest electrical engineering companies in the world.

The boiler and fossil fuel businesses were purchased by ALSTOM in 2000, and the nuclear business was purchased by Westinghouse Electric Company also in 2000.

GE Hitachi Nuclear Energy

Global nuclear alliance created by General Electric and Hitachi.

In 2004 GE bought 80% of Universal Pictures from Vivendi.

In March 2010, General Electric (GE) announced that the company is planning to sell its 20.85% stake in Turkey-based Garanti Bank.

Hitachi, Ltd.

a Japanese multinational corporation, listed in 2009 as the third largest technological company by revenue.

Parent of the Hitachi Group (Hitachi Gurūpu) as part of the larger DKB Group companies, which emerged after World War II and coalesced around the Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank [merged with Fuji Bank and the Industrial Bank of Japan to form Mizuho Financial Group in 2000].

In 1943 Dai-Ichi Bank and Mitsui Bank, a Mitsui zaibatsu company, merged to form Teikoku Bank.

After the end of WW2 , Toshiba, Toyota Motors, and Suntory, once part of the Mitsui Group [founded by Mitsui Takatoshi (1622–1694)], became independent.


is an Argentine high-technology company.

Created in 1976, as a spin off of the Argentinean Atomic Energy Commission [created 1950 with help of president Juan Domingo Perón, formerly part of the so called Revolution of '43].

INVAP is the only company in Latin America certified by NASA to supply space technologies.

Argentina currently has two operational nuclear power plants,: the 335-MWe Atucha I built by Germany's (Siemens) and the 600-MWe Embalse built by Canadian CANDU.


established in 1975 in Korea , subsidiary of Korea Electric Power Corp.

KOPEC operates as a subsidiary of Korea Electric Power Corp.

Mitsubishi FBR Systems, Inc.

formed in 2007 by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries , core companies of Mitsubishi Group.

During the Second World War, Mitsubishi manufactured aircraft , the Mitsubishi A6M ("Zero") was a primary Japanese naval fighter, including in kamikaze attacks.

Sellafield Ltd

manages the decommissioning of many of the UK's nuclear assets under contract to the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority,

In 2008, the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority contracted the management of Sellafield Ltd to Nuclear Management Partners, a consortium of US company URS, British company AMEC, and AREVA of France.

In 2001, AMEC, which also operates the North Sea oilrigs for Shell and British Petroleum, had just completed a project to strengthen and renovate a section of the Pentagon, Wedge 1, when the building was officially attacked. The damaged area is between Wedges 1 and 2.

Siemens AG

Founded by Werner von Siemens on 12 October 1847. Based on the telegraph, his invention used a needle to point to the sequence of letters, instead of using Morse code. The company, then called Telegraphen-Bauanstalt von Siemens & Halske, opened its first workshop on October 12.

In 1969, Siemens formed Kraftwerk Union with AEG by pooling their nuclear power businesses.

In 1999, Siemens' semiconductor operations were spun off into a new company known as Infineon Technologies. Also, Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG formed part of Fujitsu Siemens Computers AG in that year.

In 2001, Siemens formed joint venture Framatome with Areva SA of France by merging much of their nuclear businesses.

In March 2009, it announced to form an alliance with Rosatom [successor of the Ministry of Nuclear Engineering and Industry of the USSR] of Russia to engage in nuclear-power activities.

Rosatom controls nuclear power holding.Atomenergoprom plus ARMZ Uranium Holding Co. which mines uranium in Russia and Kazakhstan.

In June 2009, ARMZ Uranium Holding Co. acquired 16.6% of shares in the Canadian uranium mining company Uranium One in exchange of 50% in Karetau uranium mining project, a joint venture with Kazatomprom.

Siemens is building the Velaro high speed trains in service in Changsha, China.

Toshiba Corporation

Before World War II, Toshiba was a member of the Mitsui Group zaibatsu (family-controlled vertical monopoly).

in late 2007, Toshiba's logo replaced the former Discover Card logo on one of the screens atop One Times Square. It displays the iconic New Year's countdown on its screen.

In January 2009, Toshiba acquired the HDD business of Fujitsu.

Westinghouse Electric Company LLC

Since 2005 owned and operated by the Toshiba Group.

In 2001, Westinghouse took over a company named Logitest in France that specialized in non-destructive inspection of nuclear steam generator plant for EDF. From there Westinghouse started to expand its business in France. The company is called Westinghouse Electrique France.

In August 2007 Toshiba sold 10% to Kazatomprom [founded in 1997], the national uranium company for the Republic of Kazakhstan, for US$540 million.

Kazatomprom also represents Kazakhstan in the joint ventures with Russian Tekhsnabexport, French AREVA and Canadian Cameco [the world's largest publicly traded uranium company, operates several uranium mines in North America and Kazakhstan].




Created in 1989 when the Ministry of Gas Industry of the Soviet Union transformed itself into a corporation.

In June 2007, TNK-BP, a subsidiary of BP plc agreed to sell its stake in Kovykta field in Siberia to Gazprom.

Gazprom also controls Gazprombank and OJSC Gazprom Space Systems , a Russian communications satellite operator and developer.

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