THE NUKE HOAX

[hoi.polloi]

I bet that you cannot prove your case either.

So you prove your point by banning me?

You haven't really asked a useful question. Banning you isn't about proving a point. It's about needing people to follow the general criteria of the forum:

Contribute useful research.

Pushing against our obviously groundbreaking suggestion that there was no nuclear bomb that hit Hiroshima is an effortless affair for you - and wasteful for any patient person trying to understand the idea. If you'd read this entire topic and the related one in the original Nuke Hoax thread, you wouldn't be asking questions we have already been asked and boring ones at that.

You're banned for being a waste of time. If you'd like to support the official story on everything, you may exercise your right to watch Fox news and shut up.

[hoi.polloi]

To get back at the topic at hand, yes - we are obviously questioning the scientific models presented to countless nuclear physicists across the globe.

This isn't a new idea. People are in an uproar over whether there is global warming, whether we are entering the new ice age, or both or neither. The science will probably determine the victor of that debate.

In this case, I believe the nuclear science has not been exposed to adequate debate. We must presume - because people can be fooled by simple rudimentary errors in physics (2nd law of thermodynamics in 9/11) - that much more complex error-prone science can also be built from these types of errors.

Heiwa earlier posted a fine example of what may cause the "successful nuclear bomb strike" theory to be full of hot air. Go back and read it if you'd like to.

[Dcopymope]

Since we haven't seen provable damage tied to an actual "nuclear bomb" event, we have every reason to question whether each "nuclear bomb" event has been staged entirely - without the need for real or fake bombs.

But even if you wanted to claim that some kind of real or fake bomb had to exist to convince those around a totally controlled, staged propaganda event, here are some other interesting bits of information:

Japan reported that the USA dropped hundreds of "Dummy" nukes all over Japan before settling on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Also, according to physics studies they teach in school settings, an initial explosion is necessary to apparently set off the "nuclear" explosion. TNT or something else very simple and scientifically demonstrable without fake footage might be put in the supposed nuclear bombs - if they existed. There is good reason to protect us from radiation if it does the damage to natural systems like they say it does. An explanation for this to people who ask questions could easily be "the dynamite is necessary to start the more powerful explosion." But perhaps there is no more powerful explosion at all -- it's just a cover for the fact that the nuclear material never becomes explosive. It's just there to be a "dirty" bomb that spreads nuclear poison on a population ... again, even if such a thing is necessary.

We have already shown that people can be fooled by fake audio and fake video so powerfully that they actually make up details that never happened to them. The same can probably be said for any level of fakery - from "aliens are invading" to "my city was just bombed".

There will be some people who ask questions, but most will apparently not question their government when they are told something is - in some way - "determined" to have qualities they claim it does.

'We have "concluded" this is true through "rigorous" scientific "research" ... ' etc.

Lets say we reverse your explanation and say that they weren't necessarily nuclear bombs at all but conventional bombs aided by weapons grade nuclear material, and the explanation would be that "the nuclear energy is necessary to start the more powerful TNT explosion", or whatever type of explosive material they may use. I think that this may have been what it was looking at what they use today are basically conventional weapons aided by nuclear material in the form of depleted uranium. Enrich the uranium to the point that it would increase the effectiveness of the bombs actual explosive material itself to such a point that you truly can call them "high explosives".

[brianv]

Who needs boring old nukes anyhow when two hollow aluminium airplanes can wipe out half of Manhattan?

[Heiwa]

Who needs boring old nukes anyhow when two hollow aluminium airplanes can wipe out half of Manhattan?

Yes, it is called the POUFF, POUFF destruction method as illustrated by:
and invented by US agency NIST and used by Osama!
Just ensure that the lightest and weakest top part C of any structure or skyscraper or building gets a little loose (by making a hole in the wall up top + little fire softening the support of C?) and then the small, weak (mostly air) top C will one-way crush and globally collapse from top down, POUFF, POUFF, etc, the heavier and stronger building/structure A below into a fountain of rubble dust B ... only using gravity.
It is quite easy according to US civil engineering expertise, ASCE.

[Heiwa]

On 22 January 2011 I wrote: It is suggested that Uranium 235, U235, can be split into two other, lighter atomes, when hit by a neutron, n, and that then two new neutrons and energy are released at high pressure, 100 000 atm and temperature 1 000 000°C. It is called fission. One alternative is U235 + n → Ba140 + Kr94 + 2n. Another is U235 + n → La139 + Mo95 + 2n. It is suggested that the reactions can continue exponentially, the free neutrons n will split more U235 atoms very quickly = the atomic bomb. Plutonium 239, Pl239, may behave similarily.
What does it actually mean? Can 235 grams U235 convert into 140 grams Ba140 and 94 grams Kr94, when hit by 1 gram of neutrons? Where is the missing 1 gram? Has it become energy? No, 1 gram missing is the extra neutrons produced in the collisions. Evidently mass in the form of protons and neutrons (and atoms) cannot disappear and become energy, even if Albert Einstein postulates the opposite (e = mc²).
So where does the energy come from, when U235 becomes Ba140 and Kr94 in a neutron collision in a nuclear reactor? (But not in an atomic bomb!) The total mass of atoms evidently remains the same. No strange Einsten energy there! The answer is simple. The energy released is just the force (that held the U235 atom (protons/neutrons) together before splitting) times the distance of the Ba140 and Kr94 being pushed away from each other. This force is very strange – first it holds all the 235 protons in U235 together and then, when U235 is split into Ba140 and Kr94 by a neutron, it also splits and become three forces; two that hold Ba140 and Kr94 together and one that pushes Ba140 and Kr94 apart.
As the U235 atom core is very small nobody has been able to observe directly that a neutron n actually can split one U235 into two parts (Ba140 and K94), but it seems to happen and that is why nuclear reactors function as they do (Maybe the U235 breaks down for other reasons?) That the same phenomenom – uncontrolled, atomic bomb, chain reaction – can be used in an atomic bomb is on the other hand not certain at all. All US scientific reports from 1942/5 that it was possible are still secret (if they existed??) and copies of same reports received in the USSR by clever spies (that FBI overlooked down in New Mexico) are also not available.
Personally I believe the atomic bomb doesn’t exist at all. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just destroyed 1945 by conventional US napalm bomb attacks + a magnesium flash bomb at the end of each show. The rest was just propaganda. A good reason for peace, i.e. Heiwa in Japanese.

[fbenario]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just destroyed 1945 by conventional US napalm bomb attacks + a magnesium flash bomb at the end of each show. The rest was just propaganda.

This is also what I think.

[Heiwa]

ICP NY http://www.icp.org/museum/exhibitions/h ... -zero-1945 shows pictures from Hiroshima 1945 taken 3 months after the attack, e.g.

Distorted steel-frame structure of Odamasa Store, Hiroshima, November 20, 1945 (Note undamaged building/chimney in background left).

Ruins of the Hiroshima Prefectural Commercial Exhibition Hall (A-Bomb Dome), October 24, 1945

Rooftop view of atomic destruction, looking southwest, Hiroshima, October 31, 1945
Knowing that most houses were of wood/paper the destruction could also have been done by napalm (like in Yokohama/Tokyo Feb/March 1945 from which there are many similar photos).

[warriorhun]

Dear All,

What is the score on the Rosenberg-case?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
They were executed for giving the American nuclear secrets to the Soviet.
Could it be the secret had nothing to do with building an atomic-bomb? Then what? What do you think?

[bostonterrierowner]

Dear All,

What is the score on the Rosenberg-case?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
They were executed for giving the American nuclear secrets to the Soviet.
Could it be the secret had nothing to do with building an atomic-bomb? Then what? What do you think?

I checked Rosenbergs with SSDI and there is no record of their death in 1953. There are other records from this year so theoreticaly they should be there as well. IMO this whole affair was just a PsyOp , an official kick start of cold war. It scared Americans and western block in two ways. First , the soviets had a Bomb . Second , democracies were infested with communist spies always ready to back stab their homelands. USSR was a very poor , backward and ruined by WWII. How could a state like this obtain such an expensive technology so quickly? Thats why this whole treason stuff was invented otherwise it would be very doubtful given complexity of Manhattan Project and its cost.

[repentantandy]

Well, if you're suggesting that the notorious Julius and Ethel were actually 1950s-era sims in an FBI-staged psyop to backstop the atom-bomb myth, then by implication their "sons" Robert and Michael (both of whom led very public lives and are reportedly still with us) are actors too, as were the couple's alleged espionage confederates, including the late Harry Gold (who "died" in 1972) plus David Greenglass and Morton Sobel, who are also reportedly still among the living, although quite elderly.

Coincidentally, it was deep-in-9/11-chicanery judge Hellerstein who recently unsealed much of the (perhaps fictional) grand jury testimony that led to Julius and Ethel's damning, long-ago indictments. Cover-up expert Hellerstein did, however, keep redacted the transcribed statements of Greenglass and a couple of other still-breathing "witnesses" -- supposedly to respect their "privacy".

Hmmn...

[bostonterrierowner]

I am completely aware that this SSDI thing is not a proof of anything. Its just another piece in the puzzle. I seriously doubt A Bomb existence I am sure it wasnt around in 1940's . Maybe now it is. Who knows? If the Rosenbergs were such bad ass spies for the Soviets why didnt they exchange them for somebody , something of grave importance to the USA? One might say that this couple was the greatest espionage team ever. Handing means of ultimate destruction to hostile nation was by no means the biggest achievement in the field since the inception on mankind. Salvaging them and bringning to Russia would be a perfect message to all potential commy colaborators. If we managed to rescue Ethel and Julius we will for sure rescue you , just give us something important Point Charlie was supposedly a busy place in Berlin. Anyways , this whole affair was just perfect to launch communist paranoia in the west . Bomb shelters started to show up in big numbers in e.g. Poland as well just in case Americans lose it and start some preventive nuclear strike before the Soviets now equipped with nukes do . One might say it was perfect environment for TPTB in both Russia and USA . Perfect psychological operation that kept the sheeple scared shitless for decades . Including me as child

[nonhocapito]

Aviation Thermobaric Bomb of Increased Power (ATBIP) (Russian: Авиационная вакуумная бомба повышенной мощности (АВБПМ)), nicknamed "Father of All Bombs" (FOAB) (Папа всех бомб), is a Russian-made air-delivered/land activated thermobaric weapon. In describing the bomb's destructive power, Russian deputy armed forces chief of staff Alexander Rushkin was quoted as saying, "all that is alive merely evaporates."

The bomb was successfully field-tested in the late evening of September 11, 2007. According to the Russian military, the new weapon will replace several smaller types of nuclear bombs in its arsenal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_all_bombs

Day of fakery, indeed

[Tufa]

What is the score on the Rosenberg-case?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
They were executed for giving the American nuclear secrets to the Soviet.
Could it be the secret had nothing to do with building an atomic-bomb? Then what? What do you think?

I investigated this many years ago, and read some of the decoded messages. The VENONNA file, at least so we are told, is not secret any more, and on the web. I don't think they where executed for carrying any "atomic" secret, it could have been something else, but I can't remember any details. The CIPHER-thing is an entity that have many elements common with a Hoax, and most is not how it looks.

The VENNONA was possibly the only Russian screw-up: The one-time codes, in numerical format, was manufactured by having typists hacking the keyboard (1234567890) at random. To lower costs four copies where made, where one pair was used by a crypto-spy, while the other pair was for embassy-commercial use, but on a different continent. If two messages could be synchronized, the two secret messages, with only one common key, was enough to recover both messages. Unfortunately, and very early on; the Russians has a spy right in the middle, that told them, so the Russians immediately cleaned up their act. But this had been going on years, so a massive hunt went on searching for recordings of "provably" unbreakable message recordings, all complete gibberish, and especially for low-quality information such as the commercial/trade telegrams. By memory, some of these telegrams was 30 years old at the time. WHAT ON EARTH DO THESE PEOPLE EAT FOR BREAKFAST? Not only recording the message; impossible to decode, but to archive the thing a life-time, and be able to find it on request !?!
OK. Peter Wright wrote in Spy Catcher (the book where a row of post office-spies are sitting each with a boiling kettle, steaming up envelopes... where the phone go broke, so the repair-man can put in the bug...) about a Swedish connection, where the FRA was requested about any filed messages. They just rolled in a trolley, all in perfect order! The gain was mostly to Swedish advantage, where the "Eriksson" spies, that was already in jail, but on weak evidence; solid proof of their activities was obtained.

Peter Wright also wrote about a microwave resonance microphone, that don't use any electronics or cables. This possibly also apply to a modern cell-pones antenna stage. Please kindly carry ALL electronic gadgets out before you have a confidential meeting!

History research of this kind is plenty of in the David Kahn, "The Codebreakers". The VENONNA should be on the NSA site.

Later, when research teams was trying to puzzle the human DNA from extremely large numbers of partial, and also erroneous strings, it was reported that the progress was slow in the beginning. Then, suddenly, one of these Grey Men show up: "I have something in my Bag the you Need!" The NSA algorithm, the VENNONNA search algorithm, speeded things up by magnitude. In Math-research, at any time, one of these Grey Men can appear!

[hoi.polloi]

A new user linked to an interesting, allegedly science-based place called Thunderbolts.info.

Amongst the issues raised against NASA's science is a fundamental difference in understanding about the sun. Is the sun a "nuclear furnace" as described by modern scientists? Or is it an example of an electric universe?

“Meeting our Global Energy Needs”

In the absence of reasonable tests of a hypothesis it is a grave mistake to pretend that issues are settled. Nevertheless, with the support of popular media, a guess about the “nuclear core” of the Sun led to a leap of faith. Limitless energy should be available to humanity by controlling a fusion process—”just like the controlled fusion in the center of the sun.”

The cost of this exuberance may never be accurately calculated. Globally, governments poured billions upon billions of dollars into research, seeking to replicate the imagined events hidden inside the Sun. From the 1950s onward it was an easy sell. But the only fusion the experiments provoked lasted a second or so— typically much less than a second—and never produced as much energy as was pumped into the experiments. In physics, that’s the definition of an unworkable idea—and it’s very likely the most expensive failure of theory the world has ever witnessed.

...

in contrasting the two models, one overriding consideration emerges: the failures of the standard model are the predictions of the electric model.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... f=3&t=4564

Interesting stuff.

The simplest explanation for the atom is it's comprised of only ONE particle – an Electron/Neutrino, which has two properties. What these two properties are is easy to understand. We just have to look at matter to see that one property is its tendency to clump together and when it doesn't clump together it travels at near light speed. One particle with two properties.

The only reason the proton was conceives was to balance the misconceived notion of positive and negative charge (polarity). Polarity in electricity was conceived because of a basic misunderstanding of what a magnet is and how it actually works.

The universe and everything in it including all forms of animate an inanimate matter exist because of electrical flows. These electrical flows do not travel from negative to positive they travel in one direction due to a difference in potential. ALL electrical flows are due to potential difference. These potential difference can exist across the width of a cell wall or the breadth of a galaxy.

http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=4730