9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

The notion of 'thousands of victims' was crucial to generate universal public outrage. However, having 3000 angry families breathing down their necks was never part of the perps' demented plan. Our ongoing analyses and investigations suggest that NO one died on 9/11.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread post by simonshack » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:40 pm

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FRANK AHEARN
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Frank Ahearn - Helping people disappear

For those who have problems accepting that ALL the 9/11 victims were fictitious identities created by a digital computer database, here's a man we may contact for insights into alternative methods of Vicsim creation.

http://web.archive.org/web/200512141038 ... racer.html

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Unread post by MartinL » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:40 pm

Good grief Benario! You seem to have chased Pamela Thum off Facebook altogether!

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Unread post by brianv » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:35 pm

Gosh that's a HANDY name Pamela Thum! Pam Thum! Palm Thumb? No? Ok! Forget it!!

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Unread post by fbenario » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:35 am

MartinL wrote:Good grief Benario! You seem to have chased Pamela Thum off Facebook altogether!
How funny. As we've seen, most shills, once outed, just get louder and more defensiveness and unintelligible. I suppose 'she' might have been a shill without much courage or backbone - or just wasn't being paid enough to put up with any static.

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Unread post by fbenario » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:04 am

I thought some of you might enjoy this exchange I just had with yet another shill/fool on Facebook. Earlier in the exchange I had already posted links to Simon's video and the Vicsim Report. For some reason he starts calling me Frank.
Gary Rea

Sorry, Fred, but when I read such outrageous nonsense as you've posted here, I can't help but laugh out loud at it. It was a natural human response to absurdity.

So, let me get this straight: you think that the EYE witnesses saw NO planes and that they only believed they did after the fact because they saw "doctored" footage on TV? Then explain the reaction of the huge crowds to the impact of the second plane (an unmanned remote controlled drone). Explain the many amateur videos made that day by people on the street, whose cameras (cell phone-based or otherwise) RECORDED the second plane (the first was caught on video ONLY by a French documentary film crew that "just happened" to be there). Also, explain to me how it is I've personally talked to people who were THERE (unlike you, I presume?) and have told what they SAW. Are you telling me that you know what millions of people saw with their own eyes and what they didn't see??!!



Fred Benario

Unmanned remote controlled drones are NOT what most people are thinking of when they talk about planes. The average person is thinking of jumbo jets full of passengers, which I take it you agree with me weren't there. Thus, it is not absurd to talk about no planes.

There were not 'millions' of people who saw anything - other than pablum fed them by their beloved, trustworthy (?) media. If people saw a drone/missile, then they didn't see planes, with victims inside.

No trustworthy amateur videos were made:

""In order for the 9/11 TV-deception to succeed, full visual control of the Manhattan area had to be in place. The existence of EMP/HERF technology is undisputable: only the hypothesis of it being used on 9/11 remains unverifiable. It is, however, a reasonable postulation supported by a series of electronic blackouts which occurred in NYC that morning. In any event, the logic of using EMP/HERF holds water and effectively explains the ruse with disarming simplicity: NO private photography of the real-life events was allowed: thus, the imagery aired by the TV networks feared no comparison and was passed off as reality. "

Finally, once we determine that ANY part of the official 9/11 narrative was false, it brings into question every single thing said by the government. Keep in mind they produced no evidence for any of it that was subject to cross-examination under penalties of perjury.

There is only one credible statement in the entire 1,000 page report - that there are no more buildings at the WTC.



Gary Rea

Agreed, Frank, that there were no planes full of passengers. However, to say there were no planes at all definitely IS absurd, since they were witnessed by people, both at the scene of the crime, as it happened, and on video, and not just the video shot by the media, but video shot by the witnesses, themselves; video that the media didn't have access to.

Millions of people saw SOMETHING, Frank, whether a drone plane or an airliner filled with passengers, but they most assuredly did NOT see NOTHING. There was definitely something there, which hit the towers. This unsubstantiated nonsense about "the full visual control of the Manhattan area" is simply bullshit. That "NO private photography of the real-life events was allowed" is also pure bullshit. How could that even be POSSIBLE, Frank?! Was there an announcement: "Sorry, folks, but no cameras will be allowed anywhere in the Manhattan area during this false-flag staged event we're about to perpetrate." So, tell me, Frank, who was in charge of confiscating cameras and cell phones that morning? Why did no one in New York say a word about their camera or cell phone being taken, or about not being "allowed" to shoot any photos? This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say about 9/11 - aside from 19 Arabs with box cutters brought down three buildings with two planes.

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:31 am

Was it not also 9 buildings in total? For a guy who talked to people who were there, he sure didn't present himself very cogently. Did his witnesses get to stick around to see all of those buildings collapse as well?

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Unread post by SmokingGunII » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:54 am

Did "millions of people" really have an unimpaired view of the 2nd "strike"? :blink:

Send him the list of amateur photographers/videographers that all appear to be linked to the news media/film industry or military and ask him why none of the millions of average Joe's took any footage?

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Unread post by simonshack » Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:52 pm

December 2010 :

Hooray!

The Let's Roll forum discovers Hoi's 80-page Vicsim Report ! :)

http://letsrollforums.com/required-read ... 23957.html

Better late than never - as they say ;)

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Unread post by Brutal Metal » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:47 pm

I just stumbled upon this accidently, is anyone aware that Mark Bingham has become the "Poster Boy" for the Gay Rugby community??
There's a tournament every year in honor of a Fake person? WTF?? The guy in this video is Obviously reading what he's supposed to say, Pathetic!! And why does his "Mother" always act so weird in TV interviews? Laughing and looking zombied out? Maybe she's another Sirhan Sirhan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju-aM8Jx ... re=related

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Unread post by Tufa » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:50 pm

So, let me get this straight: you think that the EYE witnesses saw NO planes and that they only believed they did after the fact because they saw "doctored" footage on TV? Then explain the reaction of the huge crowds to the impact of the second plane (an unmanned remote controlled drone). Explain the many amateur videos made that day by people on the street, whose cameras (cell phone-based or otherwise) RECORDED the second plane (the first was caught on video ONLY by a French documentary film crew that "just happened" to be there).
A little problem is that no Real air-plane can cut up the WTC façade. So the "hole" in the "Tower" is contradictive to a "I Saw A Plane" witness/video. If you fancy any other Theory, in full scale and normal speed the "Fireball" of the WTC-II hit is about 180m3 (180000 litres). The Boeing 767-200ER can only take 90m3, full tank. So a "missile", as an example, needs to be in Boeing-747 scale. Add that the "explosion" occurs at the wrong side of the Tower! The second level is that, should you think the façade was weak, you must still have a design so the Tower can safely withstand any winter storm, for about 28 years.

Basically, the "Video(s)" are a fake, and the "Witness(es)" are lies.

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Unread post by fbenario » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:05 pm

Today's exchange.
Him:

Now, a large part of my reluctance to agree completely with you on the “no victims” aspect of what you’ve researched on 9/11 is purely common sense. I am unable to accept that, for example, that all the reported dead firefighters are fake- simply because common sense tells me that if you say that Joe Blow of House 315 in Queens died on Sept 11- and that person is either still alive or never existed- and you repeat this for every firehouse in NYC, at some point somebody else, another fire man or whatever, is going to go “Bullsh*t, we never had a Joe Blow here” or whatever. It strains credulity, to me, that for that theory to work, nobody along the way said a thing. To me, that’s simply not believable- based upon my common sense and what I’ve observed of human nature. As the saying goes, “Three people can keep a secret- as long as two of them are dead”, and while I can accept some amount of coercion shutting down some folks, it ain’t gonna hold for everyone.


Me:

The obvious response to you is our response to everyone else. Post objective evidence likely to convince the neutral reader - in this case substantial evidence dated before 2001 that any dead fireman actually existed as a real human being. You already know that everything on the internet can be faked.

Your theory is just more of the same word salad that we deal with on an ongoing basis. You do yourself a vast disservice by working so hard to believe in some part of the official 9//11 narrative, when you already know that it is full of lies, and that NONE of it has been proven with evidence admissible in court and subject to subpoena and perjury charges.

Ever ask yourself why there is no listing for Mychal Judge in the Soc. Security Death Index?

You should take our research and conclusions a whole lot more seriously. The ONLY true statement in the official narrative is that there are no more WTC buildings.



Him:

See, that’s the point. Objective evidence? When we were in New York over Columbus day, we ate at a place near a firehouse. Which lost, according to the statue in front, 4 guys on 9/11. So, according to you, they never existed, and everyone associated with that firehouse is going along with an easily disprovable falsehood…for what exactly?


Me:

1. "Objective evidence?"

When my father dies, there will be a myriad of pre-death evidence that he lived, easily accessible to countless people.

Vague skepticism just wastes your own time. Pick out a dead fireman and find pre-2001 evidence he was a real human being. You'll find for most of them that no one even bothered backstopping them with fake evidence. Complete voids.

2. "everyone associated with that firehouse is going along with an easily disprovable falsehood…for what exactly? "

As someone who writes fiction, I think you can do better than that.

Perp leader (speaking to fire chief pre-9/11):
"Inform your men they'll be participating in a terrorism exercise intended to fool the enemy. We have to pretend a lot of people will die - but of course no one will actually die, since this is just an exercise. Then afterward we can't disclose anything about this because that would hurt an ongoing security operation keeping New York, and America, safe."

Fire chief:
"Well, since no one will actually die, we'll be glad to help. We'll do anything to help keep America safe from those Islamic bastards. I can guarantee no one will talk, since they won't want to risk their pensions."

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:48 pm

lol - nice.

I love the exchange you wrote at the end - it's like how the liars would ultimately summarize an in-depth conversation that essentially serves the same purpose as this simple, deadpan exchange. I hear Matlock music in the background.

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Unread post by simonshack » Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:30 pm

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:lol: Some XMAS fun from the 9/11 MEMORIALS :D

TWINS, FIREFIGHTERS, ACTING, FOOTBALL AND ... MODELING

Image Andre Fletcher
"Andre and Zackary Fletcher were the only African-American twins in the Fire Department. Both rushed to the World Trade Center; Andre Fletcher never returned. "We both have Type A-plus personalities," said Zackary Fletcher, who works at Engine Company 4 in Manhattan. "Anything that reeks of excitement, adventure and danger. That was us." Andre Fletcher, 37, was a member of Rescue Company 5 in Staten Island.

The son of Jamaican immigrants, Andre Fletcher attended the Bronx High School of Science, but later transferred to Brooklyn Technical High School to be near his brother and to play on the sports teams, which Bronx Science did not have. In 1994, both brothers joined the Fire Department. When he learned that the department had no baseball team, Andre Fletcher organized one. On the department football team, both played the same positions: wide receiver and defensive back.

Today, Zackary Fletcher is watching out for Andre's son, Blair, 12. He also talks of dreams, now dashed, that the two brothers had of modeling in tandem for TV commercials. The two had located an agent and were planning a trip to California to sell themselves."
http://web.archive.org/web/201311032319 ... =353973699
Now, don't get confused: the next firefighter below is not supposed to be Andre's twin brother. Anyhow, here goes...

Image Keith Glascoe
"Keith Glascoe was a big man — roughly 6-foot-4, 270 pounds — but maybe the biggest thing about him was his heart. "He was the sort who would stop and pick up a hurt animal in the street, take it to a doctor and pay for it," said his father, Benjamin Glascoe. Given his size, football was inevitable. He started playing organized ball when he was 8 and twice made it to the New York Jets training camp. The second time, he was injured, but he played for a year in Italy, and learned to speak excellent Italian.

Back in New York, he caught the acting bug. Soon, there he was doing commercials and appearing on "One Life to Live," "Law and Order" and "100 Centre Street." He also had a part in the TV movie "Assault on Devil's Island," but the best of all was playing Benny in the movie "The Professional." He married Veronica Squef, and he yearned for a more regular job. His kindly nature meshed perfectly with the Fire Department, and he joined Ladder Company 21. Naturally, he played on the department's football team.

Firefighter Glascoe, 38, lived in Brooklyn with his wife and their two children, Nolan, 3, and Owen, 15 months. Ms. Squef is expecting a third child in April. Off duty, he continued to go to casting calls. But his sons had discovered modeling, and so Firefighter Glascoe had a new role escorting them to their own auditions."
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... =221050468
I always knew there was more to firefighters than the old sterotyped macho-model we've seen in movies and TV ... :P
(But I'd never have guessed they were prone to propel their kids into show-biz at such a tender age!)

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Now, seriously: what we have here is a model-sample of those most bizarre, pervasive 'algorythmical' patterns so patiently detected and expounded by hoi.polloi in his brilliant Vicsim Report. As he put it together here in my studio last year, and as we both dissected the 9/11 memorials in a comprehensive, methodical fashion, we kept marvelling (and ultimately, laughing in awe) over the preposterously frequent recurrence of a series of intertwined patterns. These patterns emerge at all levels of the available data, be it the alphabetical sequentiality of the vicsims' names/surnames, their portraits & facial features, their biographies, their online tributes, their personal hobbies/family stories etc... Fletcher and Glascoe are just a minuscule example of the sort of extraordinarily consistent, 'oddly coincidental' data we kept coming across as we scoured through the many 9/11 memorials. Of course, they cannot convey on their own any statistical sense as such, but this is not my point here. Suffice to say, they are a fairly representative micro-sample of our observations.

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ANDRE G. FLETCHER > KEITH ALEXANDER GLASCOE

FLETCHER > GLASCOE (FL / GL - alphabetically sequential surname initials - note also Fletcher's middlename G as in "Glascoe")

ANDRE > ALEXANDER ("alexander" contains all letters of "andre")

FLETCHER > KEITH ALEXANDER GLASCOE
("keith alexander glascoe" contains all letters of "fletcher" - but F, algorithmically replaced [due to alphabetical sequentiality] by G )

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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread post by simonshack » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:36 am

I have a question:

How can someone have a video on youtube (such as this one):

9-11 conspiracy "vicims" case 1 - DEBUNKING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzbfIUlR-gY

...and when you click on his name ("citizenlizard") to check out his YT channel , THIS message comes up ?
(!) This channel is not available
Are also aspiring debunkers non-existent folks? :P :lol:

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